Magnaminous_G, I'm not sure what you really said in your post. How about putting on a tinfoil hat and explain why you're implying that as a forum man about town, BF makes you feel like you're in the twilight zone and posts sound doofus and all.
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Magnaminous_G, I'm not sure what you really said in your post. How about putting on a tinfoil hat and explain why you're implying that as a forum man about town, BF makes you feel like you're in the twilight zone and posts sound doofus and all.
Thanks for the post.
This isn't rocket science.
-If you are not 100% sure you are ready to pay for the item right then, don't place an "I'll take it" in the thread.
-If you do change your mind at least have the common courtesy to tell the seller you no longer want the knife.
This isn't rocket science.
-If you are not 100% sure you are ready to pay for the item right then, don't place an "I'll take it" in the thread.
-If you do change your mind at least have the common courtesy to tell the seller you no longer want the knife.
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Interesting to note that here on this forum, where so many are so sanctimonious on subjects such as integrity, a man's word being his sacred bond, honor, duty, respect for their fellow man (especially if they carry a knife) that this thread has any discussion to it at all.
If I am selling something here, and the norm for securing my product or item is "I'll take it", then if you post that in writing I expect you to take it. And I don't expect you to disappear.
As with so many weasels these days, their word means only what they want it to mean. It is variable.
For instance, the purchaser (well, almost purchaser) may have actually thought they would take it, and then changed their mind later. Or they may have really wanted it and decided to say they would take it, but only intended to take it after they checked with their spouse first. So in their minds, their intention was true, but they couldn't help what their spouse said. It could be they meant to take it, but forgot. And of course, they may have simply posted that they would take it to keep others from getting it just in case they could come up with the funds.
In all conditions, the "I'll take it" man of his word will have a great reason his written word meant nothing. Sadly, not unusual at all these days.
On the other hand, had the seller waited three days and sold it after no response, the "I'll take it" guy would have been here posting that he got screwed because it was sold out from underneath him. A fine excuse would have followed to explain why he wasn't in contact with the seller (of course explaining why it wasn't his fault!) and how he would never rely on the word of the seller. The seller would be branded as a man that couldn't keep his word; the seller's word was meaningless.
When this has been discussed in the knife maker's forum, this issue is pretty dead up front. There is a lot of bitterness (and I don't blame them one bit) when someone jumps in and says they will purchase a knife, then the maker marks it as sold. Then he doesn't hear anything but crickets. Those guys feel like your word is your contract, and they aren't one bit happy if they see you posting away here, but ignoring them and their attempts at contact. I don't blame them.
A simple email back to the OP telling him that something came up that precluded the purchase, including a one sentence apology and all would probably have been well.
I wonder how those folks that are going Ghandi on this issue found themselves on the other end of this stick. Betcha they wouldn't be so ready to *tsk* *tsk* *tsk* amongst themselves and turn the other cheek.
Robert
If I am selling something here, and the norm for securing my product or item is "I'll take it", then if you post that in writing I expect you to take it. And I don't expect you to disappear.
As with so many weasels these days, their word means only what they want it to mean. It is variable.
For instance, the purchaser (well, almost purchaser) may have actually thought they would take it, and then changed their mind later. Or they may have really wanted it and decided to say they would take it, but only intended to take it after they checked with their spouse first. So in their minds, their intention was true, but they couldn't help what their spouse said. It could be they meant to take it, but forgot. And of course, they may have simply posted that they would take it to keep others from getting it just in case they could come up with the funds.
In all conditions, the "I'll take it" man of his word will have a great reason his written word meant nothing. Sadly, not unusual at all these days.
On the other hand, had the seller waited three days and sold it after no response, the "I'll take it" guy would have been here posting that he got screwed because it was sold out from underneath him. A fine excuse would have followed to explain why he wasn't in contact with the seller (of course explaining why it wasn't his fault!) and how he would never rely on the word of the seller. The seller would be branded as a man that couldn't keep his word; the seller's word was meaningless.
When this has been discussed in the knife maker's forum, this issue is pretty dead up front. There is a lot of bitterness (and I don't blame them one bit) when someone jumps in and says they will purchase a knife, then the maker marks it as sold. Then he doesn't hear anything but crickets. Those guys feel like your word is your contract, and they aren't one bit happy if they see you posting away here, but ignoring them and their attempts at contact. I don't blame them.
A simple email back to the OP telling him that something came up that precluded the purchase, including a one sentence apology and all would probably have been well.
I wonder how those folks that are going Ghandi on this issue found themselves on the other end of this stick. Betcha they wouldn't be so ready to *tsk* *tsk* *tsk* amongst themselves and turn the other cheek.
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Not all posts sound doofus. Most forumites here are wonderful, intelligent people with a genuine passion for knives.
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I honestly don't know where this came from. Who are you referring to?
I'm referring only to RevDevil as he is essentially the only one who saw fit to judge the OP's thread as useless and jumping the gun. Had this been the first time I'd seen this happen, I would have thought this to be somewhat unremarkable and not commented. Evidently I am not alone in my feelings that some here take it upon themselves to closely "monitor" others posts as to their appropriateness or not. I believe that four_shore, VMC3 and others made their feelings quite clear as well, in that regard.
If you have read the entire thread, you can easily see that of the many members who responded, only a couple of members saw it necessary to somewhat disparage the OP's choice to post his concerns. The act of actually then posting his concerns rather than to let it slide just highlights his disagreement with his actions and reasonings behind the OP's post, which to the OP and overwhelmingly vast majoirty here, found to be both very reasonable and warranted.......by a landlside.
I hope this helps to clarify my comments and answers your question. Essentially, I'm suggesting that members shouldn't be so eager to jump on another member when all that he/she is most likely trying to do is to help all other members not to have to experience what he/she has. And especially, if you must jump at all, wait until the thread has matured enough to be able to reasonably ascertain the true intentions of the OP before placing him/her in a defensive position. As four_shore so clearly stated.........."judge less".
Seems a reasonable and more thoughtful approach......IMHO.
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I have to agree with op.... when an i'll take it is submitted in thread it's a binding contract with buyer and seller!!!! that is the reason we post that in the thread to secure a transaction. otherwise it's a hassle on who get's the merch... when i surf threads and see a product i want and see a post of an i'll take it,I assume the product is gone. I think the other's should honor their post. I can agree if an unforeseen problem arises that doesn't allow for follow through on payment but a week by both poster's isn't right. just saying............people don't post thing's to wait for a response from a buyer for week's other wise the for sale forum would be all jacked up. I totally stand behind sp!durrr on this and this thread is warranted in my book and by standards of this forum........
C'mon dude, pleeeaaase don't encourage him! My head still hurts from trying to decipher the first two posts.
Perhaps then, you shouldn't try so hard. We can't have Rev's friend hurting his head, God knows what reprucussions that might have!
There are many, many more that have said the same thing, perhaps even more plainly, that you hopefully better understood. Seems you thought that perhaps your first post wasn't clear enough either, therefore the content of your second post.
If being honest with yourself, many of the comments in these posts needed to be said as they were loooong overdue. The "judge less" comment was so appropriate and the opening so timely that I would expect that even you could understand or decipher it's intent and the direction it was sent. Knowing full well that you did, your statement above was hardly unexpected. Unfortunately, I was willing to give you more credit than to go there, being so obvious and all.
It is likely that this response to your "expected" statement above has been all for naught. Since you can't seem to dicipher my posts and while having attempted to do so they evidently have caused your head to hurt, I wouldn't expect that a reasonable or intelligent person would go there again and then knowingly bring on such pain and discomfort. But then again, I've just met you through your sarcastic and unwarranted post that you initiated with me via another member. So, even though you'll not be reading this post or any others that I might submit 'cuz it hurts your head, I'll leave this post intact for those that might care to know or perhaps need the blanks filled in. Afterall.......reading someone's posts are certainly our very own choice to make. Deciding whose posts are viable and valid is the moderators choice to make.
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There's no reason to insult multiple members magnum. Or, to infer relationships (conspiracies) between members who happen to have been here and contributing a lot longer than you have. You sure try to write as if you're very eloquent but don't know enough to stay out of other people's business and not to be a smart *ss about it all.
Let's stay on topic.
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*Hits nail on head*
OP, thanks for the heads up on two buyers who need to learn proper etiquette.
There's no reason to insult multiple members magnum. Or, to infer relationships (conspiracies) between members who happen to have been here and contributing a lot longer than you have. You sure try to write as if you're very eloquent but don't know enough to stay out of other people's business and not to be a smart *ss about it all.
Let's stay on topic.
As Ken44 said.......perhaps you should stay on topic. 'Course, unless you don't feel like your own suggestion (s) should apply to you. Such as.......insulting members here. Seems you clearly stated that magnaminous should put on a tin foil hat and also inferred that he thought himself to be "a forum man about town". I'm pretty sure that both sarcastic remarks were intended as insults, albeit, weak and unwarranted..........as his response to you clearly proved. Then your final response to him confirmed your misjudgement. More importantly and obvious.....why did you feel that you were entitled to ask him to explain his post to you as if he needed to 'cuz it may have been demeaning to your "second home"......get a life. So you telling me that I've insulted members here amounts to the "do as I say, not as I do" thing.......does it not? I suppose that any person who has been a member here longer than others should somehow be given a pass or given extra credence when the two disagree....? Given your above statement, you imply exactly that because if one has more "time in" and more posts than another, their stance/position should be considered more acceptable....you said earlier in so many words. If that's not exactly what you meant, then why bring the matter of some members length of membership and contributions being more than mine up in the first place....??
If your intentions were honorable in posting your above post, with the idea and intent of righting some wrong (insulting others), there were plenty offered in posts prior to the one above.......and submitted by many different members. For instance, without provocation, BP takes a swipe at me and my posts when I never included his name or inferred that he had done anything wrong in ANY post. Given that I hadn't done so nor had I any reason whatsoever to expect such innsuts from BP, I'm thinking that even the least curious of us would then have to wonder why BP chose me out of the numerous other posts evidently feeling the same way that I was. Given that and also finding no other reason for BP's insulting remarks, all that remained to assumed is that BP is friends with Rev and that his comment to me was reflective of that friendship, even though BP stated earlier that he thought Rev was wrong in regards to the content of Rev's first post. Oh.........also, if you'd like to really understand where I might have assumed that Rev and BP were friends, you might go to BP's first post and read the first line very carefully. The "with my friend, Rev." part shoud be your first clue. But I suppose you knew that already and hoped that I didn't.
I don't attempt to write any other way than how I've written all of my adult life. For you to suggest that I "try to write as if you're eloquent" is a confusing statement to me. I do know that it was intended to be insulting to me, but that's very confusing as well, given your adamant and very clear objections to members insulting other members. Or inferring that I was being a "smart a**". Non-insulting terms.......hardly. Perhaps you were just trying to point out how NOT to behave here, but somehow your good intentions were lost in the translation or your "better than thou" delivery.
Finally.........you seem to have assigned yourself as the "rule setter". "Stay out of other people's business"......being one of your more recent mandates. I've got just one more question that I can't figure out even after having read all of these posts and trying to figure it out that way. Who asked you.......?
'Course.......to "stay out of others people's business" is what should apply to all others with the exception of Chuck, if we all are to follow your example. If that's not exactly how you feel about it, why did you then feel so comfortable and/or entitled enough to intervene in someone else's business when you clearly find that unacceptable forum behavior. Do as I say, not as I do seems once again, to fit how you roll. If you feel that this is not a fair description of your exact behavior here.........what would you call it? As a senior member here with almost 8,000 posts, I get that you're just trying to lead by example, but when what you say and what you do are at such extreme odds, it is a bit difficut to sort out which lead to follow.
If you're going to truly embrace and then take the "better than thou" high road and then shove it in our face.......by all means, do so. If not, but you still long to be thought of as a concerned and esteemed BF member (with a lot of posts....that's gotta be worth points right there, as you suggest), then you'll need to do a much better job of fooling us and yourself.
Most of us.......anyway. Most likely those lesser members with less posts.........just sayin'.
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OP is right though.
Thread wouldn't be justified if no harm was done.
However this is exactly the case: Harm is done by saying "I'll take it" and then not responding by keeping other potential buyers away.
The time OP spent to investigate is also lost.
Thread wouldn't be justified if no harm was done.
However this is exactly the case: Harm is done by saying "I'll take it" and then not responding by keeping other potential buyers away.
The time OP spent to investigate is also lost.
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