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Hi all, am I the only one that only sees knives as tools?
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All knives are tools except of course the ones made for decorative purposes. When I think of knives like that I envision some of the big bowies that are inexpensive or swords for $20. I personally would not use a Loveless or Moran blade to cut stuff. Too expensive. But that doesn't change the fact that they were made as a cutting tool and make an excellent cutting tool. Owners discretion.
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These days I almost only buy things just because I like them. My accumulation is extensive enough that the only needs I'm filling are the ones I make up (What if I decide to take up SCUBA? I would NEED an H1 fixed blade for that!)
Unless you have a WASP injection knife for making sharks explode, I wouldn't bother putting on the wetsuit. Come to think of it, unless you have a WASP injection knife for making bears explode, I wouldn't recommend leaving the house. Until that package is delivered right to your front door, you're just a walking, shrieking buffet of guts and bone; sharks, bears, cougars, wolverines, tigers, sasquatch, vampires, Griffons, Wyverns, jackalopes... how can you afford NOT to own a WASP and make all your fears explode?
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Ha! Exactly! And, after defeating the sharks and bears and Mormons and chupacabras I would need to prepare a celebratory meal, wouldn't I? I've been eyeing some Konosuke knives for the kitchen...
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He jacked up his prices because of what the dealers were selling them for. He didn't like that they were making more money than he was on his knives.
I can't blame him for jacking up his prices to match what the dealers were getting for them. But what angered some is he had already taken orders at a certain price, and then jacked up the price for those also. I think he should've kept his word on those orders, and jacked up his price on new orders.
Not that it really matters what he did in this point and time. Obviously he was great enough to do what he wanted.
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Mormons and Chupacabras! I forgot about that deadly duo. You can't trust your own porch for safety, with a crafty predator-partnership of that caliber. While the clean-cut Mormons are at your front door, promising a sweet after-life promotion from hell to heaven (some conditions apply), the chupacabra is in your barn, devouring every last one of your goats.
The WASP isn't enough for Mormons and Mexican Goatsuckers; the only hope is clearly the The Screeching War Eagle of Furious Righteous Vengeance!
NOTE: Just being ridiculous... some of my best friends are Mormons... and chupacabras.
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I hope you use this form of logic in your definition of all objects!
The hardware store does not sell tools, they sell object with possible toolship only attained through use. The sandwich shop does not sell sandwiches, they sell mounds of calories who can only be called a sandwich once eaten. A sidewalk is not a sidewalk until someone has walked on it, on their side of course!
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And since a gun is not a gun until it's fired, no need to worry about the crazy kid who bought a Desert Eagle with his parents credit card. Sure, he's planning on some extra-curricular activities of the homicidal kind, and yes, the crazy little freak is waving a .50 cal pistol around; but it's actually an 'art gun', since he hasn't fired it yet. No need for alarm. Wait, I think my logical foundations are actually playing cards... wtf? I need a contractor and a philosopher...
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Knives and guns.... same deal. No need to worry unless he is a CRAZY kid and I guess he hasn't committed a crime until he commits the crime. 30 cal or 50 cal, what's the difference if it is used for criminal purposes?
I guess one of my spare spinning reels (fish catching tool) is only an art object until I use it.
I guess one of my spare spinning reels (fish catching tool) is only an art object until I use it.
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This discussion makes me think of the dialogue in this comic.
I bet most still paid him the new prices. I'd have just walked away.
Guns are fired before the leave the factory, doncha know.
Regardless, it you aren't willing to cut or slice with a knife because it MIGHT ACTUALLY GET USED, it ceases to be a knife --- a tool that gives you work advantage for slicing and cutting. It is useless as a knife. Fine for you. Your choice. Continue being as obtuse about it as you may chose, but that's the reality of the matter.
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Guns aren't made for testing; that's like a collector cutting paper before he locks a knife up forever.
I was just stretching this flawed logic of yours out to it's utterly absurd breaking point. You're grasping at irrelevant details in an otherwise relevant (and intentionally absurd) analogy; that doesn't make me obtuse. I'm going to stop there. It doesn't really matter who it is that's stubbornly refusing to abandon a defective argument. It could be me, it could be you... no, actually, I'm pretty sure it's you. Never Surrender! Remember the Alamo! :loyal:
Yeah, it's all very Zen and existential.This discussion makes me think of the dialogue in this comic.
I mean a tool is not a tool, and a cup is not a cup, and a sandwich is not a sandwich until a human perceives it.
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I'm not afraid to beat on my knives. The only knives ivw got that don't show wear are ones I recently bought. That said, knives don't exactly equate to shovel status for me. There's nothing exactly elegant about them, and unlike a knife, I'd be less hesitant to abuse a shovel by doing something its not designed to do, but that's mostly because they're cheaper and more likely to withstand it. I'm also not picky about shovels and probably wouldn't buy more then one, I own several knives, a few I don't exactly have frequent use for etc. But yes, if I buy it I'll use it without fear. Another reason I hesitate to spend more then $200 for one. Spent almost $400 on a nice big Bowie. Being a user, I decided it's 11" size would make it perfect for pizza cutting, dinged the edge on a tile countertop, felt my heart sink. I sold it after that.
That said, when I finally get to a point in life where I've got plenty of disposable income, I have no objection to collecting just for display purposes. Right now that's impractical for me.
That said, when I finally get to a point in life where I've got plenty of disposable income, I have no objection to collecting just for display purposes. Right now that's impractical for me.
Exactly, guns are made to be used for the tools they are. Regardless, the point was there is no such thing as an unfired gun which is what you implied. Even the million dollar Luger is hauled out and shot occasionally.
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So if a gun that's test-fired at the factory is then a gun, does a knife become a knife once it's cutting edge has been tested?... ha ha. Never mind. I appreciate your 'never say die' attitude, and your patience. We'll have to just shrug and admit the fact that we're clearly at an impasse in this bizarre ontological argument. What's funny is that I don't have any problem with your view of knives as tools. I just think there are equally valid ways of looking at them, and they can be more than one thing simultaneously. You don't. Fair enough.
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With the exemption of one knife. every blade I have I'll carry and use in the welding shop I work at . The only exemption is I bought one pretty knife to carry when I'm dressed up
After spending the time reading 8 pages of this, I feel like I have enough time invested I have to comment, if not contribute.
To figure out if an unused knife is a knife or something else we need to define what a knife is first. A tool used to cut seems to be the basic definition, but scissors and axes cut, and they arent knives ( though would half a scisssor be a knife?) nor are saws, shovels or jackhammers, and they all cut too.
So do we go with the supreme court porn v art definition of knives, in that I know one when I see it? Not a great definition, as trainers sure look like knives (porn, in this example) but surely arent.
Speaking of trainers, Im pretty sure you wouldnt be able to carry those onto an airplane or into a courtroom either. Same with rubber training guns, but no one would call those a firearm either.
To me, a knife is a knife when it gets used as a knife, not unlike leghog. If it hangs on a wall or in a safe, it might as well not have an edge and be an art piece trainer, because its proved its worth even less than a rubber trainer thats been used. It might be rusted to hell somewhere you cant see, or have a bad heat treat, or whatever, and as soon as you would count on it to save your bacon the rubber trainer would have been more useful.
Its kinda schoedingers cat of sharp things.
To figure out if an unused knife is a knife or something else we need to define what a knife is first. A tool used to cut seems to be the basic definition, but scissors and axes cut, and they arent knives ( though would half a scisssor be a knife?) nor are saws, shovels or jackhammers, and they all cut too.
So do we go with the supreme court porn v art definition of knives, in that I know one when I see it? Not a great definition, as trainers sure look like knives (porn, in this example) but surely arent.
Speaking of trainers, Im pretty sure you wouldnt be able to carry those onto an airplane or into a courtroom either. Same with rubber training guns, but no one would call those a firearm either.
To me, a knife is a knife when it gets used as a knife, not unlike leghog. If it hangs on a wall or in a safe, it might as well not have an edge and be an art piece trainer, because its proved its worth even less than a rubber trainer thats been used. It might be rusted to hell somewhere you cant see, or have a bad heat treat, or whatever, and as soon as you would count on it to save your bacon the rubber trainer would have been more useful.
Its kinda schoedingers cat of sharp things.