'High end' fakes

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The following will not be a popular opinion, but it's the truth. Anyone in here playing the ethical warrior with feigned concern for IP, creators/manufacturers and you use -any- smartphone or tablet that is not a genuine Apple product, you are a vocal hypocrite and support an international industry of massive IP/copyright theft/violation. You have no real defense and are likely in violation of many other patent violating products you use in your daily life. That's about it, just know you're a hypocrite and have no issue justifying it because it suits your need and some other various BS argument(s).

As for the knives, I have a couple clone pieces from China and got them for shits n giggles. The most expensive one was a shirogorov neon clone for ~$50. I can guarantee you beyond the shadow of a doubt I will never buy a genuine shirogorov, unless I happen across a bunch of money and all my other bills are paid. The materials and fit/finish are great for the price and frankly the initial quality is superior to any comparable priced knife of non-dubious brand. It has literally been the only knife I've purchased in the past 2 years that has come with a properly ground blade.

They are what they are, cheap clones that can be decent for the price and are considered disposable. Americans just adore disposable products.
 
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s4mpson said:
The following will not be a popular opinion, but it's the truth. Anyone in here playing the ethical warrior with feigned concern for IP, creators/manufacturers and you use -any- smartphone or tablet that is not a genuine Apple product, you are a vocal hypocrite and support an international industry of massive IP/copyright theft/violation.
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I disagree.

By that logic all knifemakers would be ripping off whoever first made that type of knife.

Apple is also very good at stealing and generally being terrible.
 
I don't support fakes and don't buy any
First, it is detrimental for the original producing company
Second, I don't think one can trust any information from the faker

The only thing I appreciate is browsing some of their website

Some of them bring modification to the original designs which can confirm your own feeling about something that will be great to get

For example a 943-1 or a 0808BW
 

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Heirphoto said:
If the Chinese workers earned the USA living wages Benchmade pays the $60 940 clone would cost $180........just like the street price on the real thing.
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It is my understanding that the Chinese knife industry pay scale is about 18 cents on the dollar.
 
The sad thing is that even Amazon is selling fake knives. You can buy a Shirogorov "OEM" for 20 bucks or so right now.
 
There are so many things in this world that are fake! Fake people! Fake food! Fake news!:eek: Fake flowers! Fake money! Fake auto parts! Fake.......I just want my knives to be genuine... And the people around me and the food I eat too!
 
115Italian said:
3. I dont get the reasons people make exact clones/ copies /fakes. Why not tweak the design slighlty and call it something else.
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Because it's easy.

People that are dishonest go for the low hanging fruit, easy target minimal effort to get their money.
 
Here is some of my thoughts/suspicions on the subject: #1 Are the materials what they say they are? I don't think they are they might still be better than what they use in the cheap knockoff and for the blade they might actually HT it as I am not sure the cheap ones are. #2 When comparing the cost of the knockoff to the real thing we often forget that we are not just paying for the sum of the parts. We pay for the labor. We pay for the assurance of quality. We pay for the customer service.

s4mpson s4mpson That logic, or lack there of, is so ridiculously flawed your implying a Samsung Android Tablet is equivalent to a Chinese Knockoff Knife. I just don't have the time and energy to fully argue the flaw in your thinking nor is this really the place.
 
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Here is some of my thoughts/suspicions on the subject: #1 Are the materials what they say they are? I don't think they are they might still be better than what they use in the cheap knockoff and for the blade they might actually HT it as I am not sure the cheap ones are. #2 When comparing the cost of the knockoff to the real thing we often forget that we are not just paying for the sum of the parts. We pay for the labor. We pay for the assurance of quality. We pay for the customer service.
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Here are mine, and then I'm bailing out of this thread before it "turns."

As to your 2 points, I say..."Who cares?" The argument that "fakes are bad because materials and CS are bad" has been used over and over in all these threads lately.

I find it specious. (Probably using that word incorrectly, but whatevs! :D)

To me that argument implies that if one were assured of real materials and good CS, buying a counterfeit wouldn't be a bad idea.

"The knife's materials and CS are pretty good, so I can ignore the whole 'theft' thing."

I can't. :thumbsdown:
 
See the thread I just posted about my lost knife. I've had it for nearly a decade. I paid $25 for it from a vendor at Bike Week in Daytona. I knew when I bought it that it was just a cheap, Chinese made knife, but this thing has stood the test of time and held an edge better than my Benchmade Infidel or any of my Spyderco knives. It wasn't until I lost it last night and went out of my mind looking for it that I decided to reach out to the internet to help me find another. What I learned is that I paid $25 for an exact replica of a Dalton Scale Release Auto, which apparently you can't get anymore. I wish I could find another, either the real thing or another knockoff. The lock feature on it is the best I've ever used. If I could find em for sale I'd buy a few more, just to have backups.

 
NickPohlAandP said:
What I learned is that I paid $25 for an exact replica of a Dalton Scale Release Auto, which apparently you can't get anymore. I wish I could find another, either the real thing or another knockoff. The lock feature on it is the best I've ever used. If I could find em for sale I'd buy a few more, just to have backups.
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Not sure which is more morally questionable: buying a counterfeit Dalton or buying a real Dalton.
 
M marcinek I am just giving people food for thought on the subject I personally in no way support or endorse the purchase of a knife that is an outright counterfeit or one the violates the IP rights of another knife maker/designer. With that said I really have no objection to a clone that is not falsely advertising or violating an IP rights. I often still steer clear of them usually because the QC and/or CS isn't there which is kinda where point my 2nd point comes into play a you get what you pay for.
 
marcinek said:
Not sure which is more morally questionable: buying a counterfeit Dalton or buying a real Dalton.
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Well I'm obviously not familiar with Dalton knives or this wouldn't have been such an issue. Your comment leads me to ask... why would you say that? Is there some underlying controversy with Dalton? As far as the quality of the knife, I can't comment on Dalton, but my cheapo is tough as nails.
 
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