As am I. I'm just saying that, for me, if one makes a counterfeit Sebenza of the same quality and CS level...its still a counterfeit, and that is the deal breaker to me at the outset.
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As am I. I'm just saying that, for me, if one makes a counterfeit Sebenza of the same quality and CS level...its still a counterfeit, and that is the deal breaker to me at the outset.
There has been some issues with his choice of "decorative elements."
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Oh. Sucks for him I guess. There's nothing decorative about this knife. It's purely functional... and as I mentioned before, the locking/unlocking feature is the best I've ever used.
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Dalton knives...that's one person I heartily recommend buying clones of his knives.
Screw that guy.
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To ad to the question of price, price of one item is not purely the price of the material and labour
As it as been mentioned there is also quality, service and everything that indirectly make or contribute to the product
There is also the profits by themselves that shall be used by the company for research, innovation, investment in new equipment, risk insurance for introducing futur new products, etc...
For this reason it is important to buy products from companies with an ethic we appreciate
As time goes I am more and more understanding and agreeing with spyderco while in the same time going farer from Benchmade
Spyderco's approach of knives making (or what I perceive of it) is more in line with my personal ethic
Benchmade was a company that impressed me some years ago but less since 2/3 years
I have similar stories about ZT, CRK, etc...
I don't have much problems with price as I purchase products from company I am happy to contribute to
This solve for me the question of getting clones
If someone wants to get a clone IMO the main motivation is personal image attached to possessing the original
That is part of the after effect of a successful marketing from the original manufacturer
I have more respect for someone usin a $25 original knife rather than a clone at the same price as he don't try to impersonate some image he may has in his mind
As it as been mentioned there is also quality, service and everything that indirectly make or contribute to the product
There is also the profits by themselves that shall be used by the company for research, innovation, investment in new equipment, risk insurance for introducing futur new products, etc...
For this reason it is important to buy products from companies with an ethic we appreciate
As time goes I am more and more understanding and agreeing with spyderco while in the same time going farer from Benchmade
Spyderco's approach of knives making (or what I perceive of it) is more in line with my personal ethic
Benchmade was a company that impressed me some years ago but less since 2/3 years
I have similar stories about ZT, CRK, etc...
I don't have much problems with price as I purchase products from company I am happy to contribute to
This solve for me the question of getting clones
If someone wants to get a clone IMO the main motivation is personal image attached to possessing the original
That is part of the after effect of a successful marketing from the original manufacturer
I have more respect for someone usin a $25 original knife rather than a clone at the same price as he don't try to impersonate some image he may has in his mind
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This poor dead horse.
I just can't help reading the same arguments over and over. Someone please rephrase the "Who likes Chinese ripoff knives" question so we can "Ground Hog Day" this till...
Edit: An IP Memorandum was just signed as per zerohedge.
I just can't help reading the same arguments over and over. Someone please rephrase the "Who likes Chinese ripoff knives" question so we can "Ground Hog Day" this till...
Edit: An IP Memorandum was just signed as per zerohedge.
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Well for one thing, sticking the quality name on it makes people buy. If you copied some high end Benchmade and then named it the Joe Schmo XYZ Knife, who would buy it? Maybe a few would, but you can get them to pay more by calling it Benchmade.
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I own a couple, but this obviously isn't the best place to discuss them.
I would add that it's just a trust issue as well. No matter how well made the counterfeit, would you trust that fake maker to correctly state the specifications, like steel type, heat treat, Rc hardness, etc? Why should we trust a faker to use good quality steel and heat treat? Counterfeiters and design stealers should never be trusted. People who trust them do so at their own peril.
Would I? I don't care. Its a fake. There are no more issues or consideration beyond that. Anything beyond that is "excuses" AFAIC.
If George Washington, Mother Teresa, Abe Lincoln, and Pinocchio got together, made a counterfeit out of top notch materials and impeccable tolerances, with a rock solid guarantee with great QC and a great price....I wouldn't buy it. It's a counterfeit.
I don't get what anything beyond "Its a counterfeit" has to do with it.
Sorry, actually I meant that for those people who don't seem to have any ethical or legal considerations about buying counterfeits. (Didn't mean "would you" personally.)
No worries or need to apologize!!! I guess for me there is no need to go beyond "Its a counterfeit" but I forget for others there is.
You are correct....never trust a counterfeiter! I hear they lie about stuff!
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Apple’s business model is built on patents, not technology or ‘innovation’. Patent litigation is a growth industry. Do some reading on the subject, look behind the curtain on the right!
Most knife makers do rip each other off. The contemporary PC term used is "inspired". Most knife makers are infringing upon several patents. Just about everything is covered by patents, millions upon millions of them, many of them are BS. It's a guarantee that most of the items, or aspects of that item, in your house are patented and most of them are infringing upon several patents. EVERYONE making EVERYTHING is breaking patent law, end of story.
https://www.google.com/search?tbo=p&tbm=pts&hl=en&q=ininventor:"Lynn+C.+Thompson"
That is a link to the patents filed by Lynn C Thompson, the founder and president of Cold Steel. Take a peek at them, most are now expired but still give you an idea of what was being filed.
https://www.google.com/patents/US5755035
Here is a patent that Benchmade filed for an 'improved liner lock', something that was patented back in 1908 and has been in common use for nearly a century.
There are so many patents for every aspect of knives its ridiculous.
My IP attorney sister disagrees with you. I will take her 15 years of experience in the field over your laymen. The moral warrior thinks in terms of black & white until it doesn’t support their narrative, because theft is theft, right? Just because you don't understand something, doesn't mean it's false. To repeat what I said above, everyone making everything is breaking patent/IP law.s4mpson That logic, or lack there of, is so ridiculously flawed your implying a Samsung Android Tablet is equivalent to a Chinese Knockoff Knife. I just don't have the time and energy to fully argue the flaw in your thinking nor is this really the place.
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If ya want to check out a decent china knife .Go to AGR and buy one .its the best warranties in the market...Bar none.
They do have the ability but they must be motivated .
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They do have the ability but they must be motivated .
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o'l well I guess the words from acollege kid makes it Right !
Not in this world...it will come to ahead and think about
the side your on !
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And Microsoft is saintly, right? Give me a break. I will take Apple over Microsoft any day of the week. Not crazy about everything they do but I've had fewer problems with Apple gear than IBM/PC running Windows garbage.
As for knife design, sure, you are ripping off the person that first made a certain design if you do it knowingly and with the intent to defraud.
I would have to say, IMHO, the most morally upstanding US knife designer of mass produced knives has to be Sal Glesser at Spyderco.
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Who/what is AGR?
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if you want a high end chinese made knife, get a WE Knives, Reate knife, custom knife factory or even Rike Knife. no need to buy a blatant rip off with questionable everything.
yes, AGR means that. also good knives. the steel is better than 8cr in most cases, i think they use a lot of 9cr and d2. original designs too.AG Russell would be my assumptionsabre cat
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