Hinderer warranty

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I have considered a hinderer for some time, glad this thread came up as I don't like non existent detent or censorship. I'll spend my money else where.
 
If you like the style, get one, if it's not what you expected, return it or sell it on here, I just got my first one and I really like it. I was just comparing my zt562 detent to my xm and I'd say their to close to say which one it better, the zt obviously flips better with the bearings though but as far as opening in my pocket, I'm not worried.
 
jill jackson said:
Tip down won't open, tip up clip it so the blade is against your pocket in the back. That's what I do with anything no matter what the detent.
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You must be left handed, and talking about the left front pocket.
If in right front pocket tip up carry puts the blade against the pocket seam. If tip down the blade is facing the open pocket.
 
From RubiconSS, moderator of RHK subforum in a sticky:

"Be Advised - A thread or post may end up Moved/Edited/Deleted without notice."

The forum isn't:

"A place to post in order to start "Drama""

And from Rob Orlando, another moderator and Rick Hinderer's right hand man:

"RICK HINDERER KNIVES products are guaranteed against material defects and workmanship, and they carry a life time warranty... It will be left up to us whether to repair or replace damaged or defective items."

So a lifetime warranty where they get to decide if a knife is junk or not. Really? They don't have to claim liability for a defective product? Under a lifetime warranty claim? So whats the freaking point of a lifetime warranty? What the hell does that mean? If I buy a freaking toothbrush from Colgate with absolutely no warranty at all, it's up to them whether or not to replace a defective product. What's the difference between having NO warranty where the company can fix whatever they want (including nothing at all) and one where the company HAS a warranty yet can tell you to go f$@& yourself when they want(and don't have to fix anything at all)? Isn't having NO warranty the same as having THAT warranty?

Good lord, here's a lifetime warranty. Notice how the ONLY stipulation is that it's their choice whether to replace or repair the knife, not whether or not theyll simply and only consider fixing things if something happens to be their fault alone:

"Busse Knife Group is proud to have the toughest warranty in the industry.
All Busse Knife Group blades are guaranteed for life against any and all unintentional MAJOR damage. Your knife will either be repaired or replaced at our discretion.
Please note that aftermarket modifications done to your knife outside of our shop that cause your knife to fail may void your warranty.
Busse Knife Group encourages extreme usage of our blades as they are without question "The Toughest Knives in the World". We have no rivals. You can use a Busse Knife Group blade as hard as you like and our warranty has you covered."
 
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bodog said:
From RubiconSS, moderator of RHK subforum in a sticky:

"Be Advised - A thread or post may end up Moved/Edited/Deleted without notice."

The forum isn't:

"A place to post in order to start "Drama""
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The same applies to the entire forum. Discussions do not need to be a bunch of back patting, high-fiving, gushiness type ad nauseum. However, some folks seem to take extreme pleasure in bashing, down playing, insulting, and otherwise urinating on the happiness someone might have when they acquire a new piece of gear. The Hinderer subforum is run the way they want to, it's their own manufacturer forum space here on Bladeforums. They have their own rules, and that is respectable IMO.

Would any one us want to produce an item, our life's work as it were only to have some people come in and unrelentingly insult, berate, and crap all over that at every given opportunity? It doesn't inspire confidence in the manufacturers, members,mor anyone else. You can say anything you want, it's all in how it's stated/written that makes the difference. Come at someone with disrespect in your post and tone, prepare to get a reaction that might shock you. Come at someone with calm, respectful words, and a well thought out post, and a tone of genuine interest, you can get a much different answer.

No manufacturer wants to be subjected to that, it gets old fast and what ends up happening is that they leave. If people are unable to communicate with civility, calmness, and basic respect then they just do not belong here. Nowhere is it written that anyone has to kiss anyone else's rear end. It is written though, that we all as members must and should be respectful of one another. Remember too, censorship and the whole "1st Amendment" related to government censorship of it's people, I doubt the Founding Fathers intended it for privately owned discussion forums. Go to any big forum where gun, knife, and other gear manufacturers participate and let me know how long and far ranting and complaining about them lasts and takes you.
/speaking in general, not directed at anyone specific person.
 
RevDevil said:
The same applies to the entire forum. Discussions do not need to be a bunch of back patting, high-fiving, gushiness type ad nauseum. However, some folks seem to take extreme pleasure in bashing, down playing, insulting, and otherwise urinating on the happiness someone might have when they acquire a new piece of gear. The Hinderer subforum is run the way they want to, it's their own manufacturer forum space here on Bladeforums. They have their own rules, and that is respectable IMO.

Would any one us want to produce an item, our life's work as it were only to have some people come in and unrelentingly insult, berate, and crap all over that at every given opportunity? It doesn't inspire confidence in the manufacturers, members,mor anyone else. You can say anything you want, it's all in how it's stated/written that makes the difference. Come at someone with disrespect in your post and tone, prepare to get a reaction that might shock you. Come at someone with calm, respectful words, and a well thought out post, and a tone of genuine interest, you can get a much different answer.

No manufacturer wants to be subjected to that, it gets old fast and what ends up happening is that they leave. If people are unable to communicate with civility, calmness, and basic respect then they just do not belong here. Nowhere is it written that anyone has to kiss anyone else's rear end. It is written though, that we all as members must and should be respectful of one another. Remember too, censorship and the whole "1st Amendment" related to government censorship of it's people, I doubt the Founding Fathers intended it for privately owned discussion forums. Go to any big forum where gun, knife, and other gear manufacturers participate and let me know how long and far ranting and complaining about them lasts and takes you.
/speaking in general, not directed at anyone specific person.
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I don't disagree with that but it's a pretty generally known thing that you cannot speak a bad word about a hinderer knife at all. If, for some reason, a bad word about their knives slips through, it was surrounded by many, many good words. It's pretty bad. I know it doesn't reflect on BF, but it does reflect on the RHK mods and the company who run that particular subforum.
 
I have a Hinderer XM-18 3" 20CV from two years ago with a soft detent but I can flip it with wrist-assist. Great ergonomics on the XM-18. In April 2015 I got a XM-18 3.5" 20CV with much stronger detent and just the way I like it. Flips great and no issues with blade opening in my pocket. I don't carry the older XM-18 3" mostly because the blade will open in my pocket. I can make it not open by tightening the pivot but that turns it into purely a thumb stud opening mechanism.

Hinderer warranty states:

"We do not do “custom” detent work, meaning we do not make detents lighter or stiffer, all folders are made to a certain spec, however it may not be absolutely perfect for “you”. An example would be for those of you that have trouble flipping your knife without using wrist, we do not stiffen detents. Or in the case of someone who finds the detent too stiff, we do not lighten them either."​

I have several Hinderer pens and lost the spring on one of mine. An email to Hinderer Knives soon had two springs on their way to me!

Last month, I started a thread called "XM-18 flipper action" in the BF Rick Hinderer Knives forum to find out if the detent on the XM-18 since April 2015 all have stronger detents so that I could get a new XM-18 3". Before long the thread was closed and then moved to a black hole so the contents are gone for good for regular members.
 
bodog said:
I don't disagree with that but it's a pretty generally known thing that you cannot speak a bad word about a hinderer knife at all. If, for some reason, a bad word about their knives slips through, it was surrounded by many, many good words. It's pretty bad. I know it doesn't reflect on BF, but it does reflect on the RHK mods and the company who run that particular subforum.
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I absolutely agree with Rev also and you but it's not even (just) about a "bad word"... It can be anything NOT positive, it doesn't have to be critical. God forbid that it is critical, they'll shut you down, but that's after the community is done with you. I get what the Rev is saying... He's talking more about the hating just to hate types, ones with agendas, fighting a good fight to prove a point. I'd tire of that quickly too. In the end, Rev is right again that they will run their business, and forum of followers they see fit... That's why we stay away and like I said, the flame is flickering compared to a few years ago anyway, they can have their little world to themselves: where they won't sell you a knife unless you are a hero but would be more than happy to sell you jewels and trinkets to doll up you hard use war knife no problem.

RamZar said:
Last month, I started a thread called "XM-18 flipper action" in the BF Rick Hinderer Knives forum to find out if the detent on the XM-18 since April 2015 all have stronger detents so that I could get a new XM-18 3". Before long the thread was closed and then moved to a black hole so the contents are gone for good for regular members.
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Point exactly. RamZar is as neutral and friendly as they come (imo :p).
 
I have owned 4 XM-18 3.5's....

All where GEN4's for whatever that's worth.
Never had an issue with the detent being too weak.

They are very well built knives, and I have worked them hard (ask Bodog!)

I have never had to use their warranty but I know a couple of members here who have, and their experience was as good as it gets.

As for all this BS about the sub-forum and the "fanboys".....what do you guys expect in a sub-forum run by the maker?!?!
Do you think they want crying and whining in their spot on this forum???

There are many places to complain about issues on this forum, and if you think that your issue with "flipping action" or why RHK's, in your opinion, are no better then a (fill in the blanks) is going to fly in a sub-forum filled with RHK lovers, then you deserve what you get....
 
But there must be a reason why Hinder is singled out more than any other brand regarding this issue....
 
Cryogen said:
But there must be a reason why Hinder is singled out more than any other brand regarding this issue....
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Never had a negative...Always had a positive...Everyone else are whiners... Kapish?

In his mind, his sweeping point by point clarification settles the issue. Of course, all subforums have those...similarities but at least you can actually TALK on the other ones. Like I said, let them have their little corner ;)
 
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RHK is no longer "hot" but if people like them, they like them. That's cool. My money doesn't need to go to him nor does anyone else's. We're all free to buy whatever tools we want. The world is still free in that regard. My experience is my experience and it's turned me off of his company and products. Blatant statements made by his company reps seal the deal for me. I can't expect everyone to see things my way because they've all had their own experiences, too. Some good, some bad. All we can do is share what we know and become a stronger community as a result. Personally I wouldnt ever recommend a RHK to anyone, others would. As long as we're all telling the truth with no hidden agenda there should be no harm in sharing our thoughts. The final decision rests with the OP. Maybe he'll like an XM, maybe he won't. Either way someone can be there saying "I told you so."
 
Ken44 said:
You must be left handed, and talking about the left front pocket.
If in right front pocket tip up carry puts the blade against the pocket seam. If tip down the blade is facing the open pocket.
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Nope right handed and tip up the blade spine on my XM-18 goes against the pocket back, tip down it faces towards the front.
 
bodog said:
RHK is no longer "hot" but if people like them, they like them. That's cool. My money doesn't need to go to him nor does anyone else's. We're all free to buy whatever tools we want. The world is still free in that regard. My experience is my experience and it's turned me off of his company and products. Blatant statements made by his company reps seal the deal for me. I can't expect everyone to see things my way because they've all had their own experiences, too. Some good, some bad. All we can do is share what we know and become a stronger community as a result. Personally I wouldnt ever recommend a RHK to anyone, others would. As long as we're all telling the truth with no hidden agenda there should be no harm in sharing our thoughts. The final decision rests with the OP. Maybe he'll like an XM, maybe he won't. Either way someone can be there saying "I told you so."
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This whole is a particular knife "good or bad" is pure opinion, unless it has inherent flaws.....

As far as RHK's not being "hot" I disagree...
The reason their price has dropped is strictly based on availibility.

Once they became available to everyone, and at the same time, RHK stepped up production, it was inevitable that the aftermarket price would stabilize.

That's not a "cool down" that's just economics.....
 
I have two Hinderer knives, an Xm-18 and an Eklipse. I wish my Xm flipped like the Eklipse, which has amazing action. I am interested in purchasing a Bowie Xm-18 but I don't care for a weak detent and don't want to chance it. My Xm-18 blade easily opens with just a shake of the knife and because of that, sees little pocket time.
 
see is yours older cause I had to really whip the crap out of mine to open like that, I could just be lucky I guess
 
Mine is hard to open by shaking, you have to really use some force. My Benchmade axis locks are much easier.
 
Korn_2956, My Gen 4 was purchased Spring 2014. I like everything about the knife except how weak the detent is. It's my understanding that was part of Hinderer's design. It seems the detent strength varies with the newer Xm's. With Xm's going for half of what I paid for mine, I really want another but will now only purchase one if I can handle it first.
 
bodog said:
I don't disagree with that but it's a pretty generally known thing that you cannot speak a bad word about a hinderer knife at all. If, for some reason, a bad word about their knives slips through, it was surrounded by many, many good words. It's pretty bad. I know it doesn't reflect on BF, but it does reflect on the RHK mods and the company who run that particular subforum.
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Again, if that is the case, then General Knife Discussion is the best place to post questions or comments. I think constructive criticism is always a good thing in the correct context of course. But when a thread starts benevolently enough, then turns into a venom spitting match and then bombarded with insults towards the company, the members, one another that is not a good thing.
 
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