Hollywood - Knives worse enemy?

justjed said:
Knives, guns, rental trucks, it makes no difference. People have been killing other people since the first person thumped another person's gourd with a rock. It ain't gonna end anytime soon. And worrying or whining about what is or isn't a weapon is an exercise in futility(or liberal dogma). Example? OK, here goes nothing: My 1911 spends every night about 1-1/2 ft from my head. It has never once turned itself around to point at me. It's an inanimate object. The CARTRIDGE in the chamber, a hollowpoint .45ACP, is chock full of POTENTIAL energy, but needs to be struck by the firing pin, which must be struck by the hammer, which can't fall until the sear releases, which can't happen until the trigger is pulled, which can't happen unless the thumb safety is disengaged, as well as the grip safety depressed, which requires the gun to be held properly by the operator. And while I have, on occasion been cut by a knife, it was always operator error.

My point is, regardless of whether we are talking about a gun, a knife, a hammer, or a pillow, THEY ALL REQUIRE A CONSCIOUS DECISION BY AN INDIVIDUAL TO BE USED AS A WEAPON, BEFORE THEY BECOME DANGEROUS. In other words, the person holding it is responsible for its use, whether as a tool, or a weapon. In OTHER words, the individual is the weapon, the OBJECT is simply a tool to facilitate the completion of a task(for good or evil) decided upon by that particular individual.
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Well, except accidental injuries happen all the time with weapons and dangerous non-weapons , so the "conscious decision" part is NOT necessary !
 
justjed said:
AR stands for ARMALITE RIFLE, the company that Eugene Stoner was working for when he designed what would become the M-16. The AR-15 is a civilian-legal semi-automatic version of that particular weapon. Educate yourself.
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So It's not an assault rifle after all ? How about if you add a Hellfire or similar mechanism that lets recoil "automatically" pull the trigger . Your distinction becomes meaningless .
 
There is a difference between an accident and negligence. But, MOST accidents are CAUSED by negligence.
 
DocJD said:
So It's not an assault rifle after all ? How about if you add a Hellfire or similar mechanism that lets recoil "automatically" pull the trigger . Your distinction becomes meaningless .
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No it doesn't, those devices simply use principals of physics which can be utilized without such a device and do not change the function of the rifle.
 
It still only fires one shot per pull of the trigger. SEMI-automatic. When the Obama era BATFE approved the bump-fire stocks, it was on THIS distinction. Also, most full auto weapons(TRUE machine guns) fire from an open bolt, with a fixed firing pin. A select-fire weapon fires from a closed bolt, with a floating firing pin that contacts the cartridge primer by inertia, but the bolt is not locked in the firing position as in a semi-auto, thus the recoil, or gas piston, allows the bolt to fly rearward, ejecting the empty, reaches its rearmost point, then flies forward under spring pressure, stripping a fresh round from the mag, chambers it and fires, repeating this process as long as the trigger is held rearward.
 
justjed said:
It still only fires one shot per pull of the trigger. SEMI-automatic. When the Obama era BATFE approved the bump-fire stocks, it was on THIS distinction. Also, most full auto weapons(TRUE machine guns) fire from an open bolt, with a fixed firing pin. A select-fire weapon fires from a closed bolt, with a floating firing pin that contacts the cartridge primer by inertia, but the bolt is not locked in the firing position as in a semi-auto, thus the recoil, or gas piston, allows the bolt to fly rearward, ejecting the empty, reaches its rearmost point, then flies forward under spring pressure, stripping a fresh round from the mag, chambers it and fires, repeating this process as long as the trigger is held rearward.
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Same answer : very little practical difference in effect downrange . Somewhat less accurate maybe .
 
justjed said:
It still only fires one shot per pull of the trigger. SEMI-automatic. When the Obama era BATFE approved the bump-fire stocks, it was on THIS distinction. Also, most full auto weapons(TRUE machine guns) fire from an open bolt, with a fixed firing pin. A select-fire weapon fires from a closed bolt, with a floating firing pin that contacts the cartridge primer by inertia, but the bolt is not locked in the firing position as in a semi-auto, thus the recoil, or gas piston, allows the bolt to fly rearward, ejecting the empty, reaches its rearmost point, then flies forward under spring pressure, stripping a fresh round from the mag, chambers it and fires, repeating this process as long as the trigger is held rearward.
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Pretty much, except some machine guns do fire from a locked position.
With more powerful cartridges the action needs to remain locked in a closed position long enough for the pressure in the chamber to drop to a safe level before the bolt opens so it doesn't receive an overly harsh shot cycle which could prematurely wear the parts and just be dangerous in general.

Anyways, it's funny how many people think AR stands for assault rifle, I had to correct my mom on this when I was 12 and she said something like this during a news story.
 
DocJD said:
If you happen to be downrange , you will never know the difference .
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I would know, because in many cases you won't get a consistent shot string, and because the user wouldn't be hitting anything much at all.
They're just stuped range toys that aren't practical and can barely be kept on target.
A real full automatic M16 is much more accurate and controllable than an AR-15 with a bumpfire stocks because the thing is not sliding or pumping back and forth in your hands.
Firearms knowledge is a great thing, and everyone can always use a little more of it.
 
Practical difference? No. Technical difference, yeah. But, if I was down-range, I would MUCH prefer some ijit with a bump-fire stock shooting in my direction, as opposed to a real rifleman with a semi-auto who can actually hit what he's aiming at.

A bump-fire stock is the rifle equivalent of holding your Glock sideways, gangsta-style, without using the sights. Spray and pray, they call it.
 
justjed said:
Practical difference? No. Technical difference, yeah. But, if I was down-range, I would MUCH prefer some ijit with a bump-fire stock shooting in my direction, as opposed to a real rifleman with a semi-auto who can actually hit what he's aiming at.

A bump-fire stock is the rifle equivalent of holding your Glock sideways, gangsta-style, without using the sights. Spray and pray, they call it.
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Would it not be more like holding a Jimenez ja-22 sideways ?:D
 
Hickory n steel said:
I would know, because in many cases you won't get a consistent shot string, and because the user wouldn't be hitting anything much at all.
They're just stuped range toys that aren't practical and can barely be kept on target.
A real full automatic M16 is much more accurate and controllable than an AR-15 with a bumpfire stocks because the thing is not sliding or pumping back and forth in your hands.
Firearms knowledge is a great thing, and everyone can always use a little more of it.
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https://www.thetrace.org/rounds/bump-stocks-las-vegas-mass-shooting-guns-fire-full-auto/
Ok , Except this happened !
 
Still not full-auto, as the article says, it MIMICS full auto. But not by changing the gun's mechanical operation, and it is sold as an accessory, because it attaches OUTSIDE the receiver, and still only fires once per trigger pull.
 
Mechanisms like the Hellfire can be very effective with sufficient practice . Be as technical as you please , but real world experience and results exist .

The right to bear arms should not require those arms to be ineffective . I'm not opposed to any weapon available to LEO for use by citizens .
 
DocJD said:
https://www.thetrace.org/rounds/bump-stocks-las-vegas-mass-shooting-guns-fire-full-auto/
Ok , Except this happened !
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First of all this site is probably from liberals who don't know their shit and don't do real homework or use information that goes against their point.
Second of all I'm glad this guy used a bumpfire stock, more of the wounded would have been fatalities if he used something else and took the time to aim.
It's a tragic event that never should've happened, but it did and could've been much worse.
It's also a tragic event that has nothing to do with Hollywood or knives so I don't know why you brought it up.
Can you just let this topic get back on topic or suffer the dying fate it's destined for now, because your argument is pointless and uninformed.
 
Hickory n steel said:
First of all this site is probably from liberals who don't know their shit and don't do real homework or use information that goes against their point.
Second of all I'm glad this guy used a bumpfire stock, more of the wounded would have been fatalities if he used something else and took the time to aim.
It's a tragic event that never should've happened, but it did and could've been much worse.
It's also a tragic event that has nothing to do with Hollywood or knives so I don't know why you brought it up.
Can you just let this topic get back on topic or suffer the dying fate it's destined for now, because your argument is pointless and uninformed.
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Uh ... yes but that's what the tread is about . Pointless and uninformed media . The stuff I talk about with guns I've done , for 60yrs.
 
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