"Horizon" 2014 new knives Lightning quick opening, from china Reate custom knives inc

i don't know much about that spyderco, i never liked any spyderco.
0550 you give it thick blade and i buy, because the work on design was too hard, so it costs much. just like microtech delta tanto. it is awesome.
 
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Let it be known that Reate stands from the position that they are their own company. They have an employee that previously worked for A Dai but they say he no longer is affiliated with them. But for giggles lets say that the same people responsible for the A Dai clones are the same people making Reate. Wouldnt you like to see these individuals move from making clones to making their own designs? I understand that your concerns of supporting a company that may be making fakes. But I think the burden of proof is on the individual making the claims. He came into this thread calling out Reate and despite his initial negative comments towards clones it is now known that he owns a number of them. All the "evidence" he has provided is meaningless. Just because a dealer of replicas states that the knife was made by A Dai doesnt mean it was. Do you know how many "wild boar" knives are sold as "kevin John" because KJ has a reputation of being a better made knife? All Im saying is that that seller may have been wanting to reference A Dai because his target buyers are more familiar with A Dai than they are with Reate.
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Right. That's why I keep emphasizing "if true". It hasnt yet been resolved sufficiently enough for me.

Is it a good thing if a maker of counterfeits began to make their own products? Absolutely. Not garanteed that they wont be doing both fakes and their own designs though and likewise its no garantee that I can get over the fact that they were making fake ZT's among others and allegedly ripping off designs... if true.

I know Reate made the statement that an employee of theirs worked for Adai and the other guy responded etc etc. but typically, getting accused like that motivates you to thoroughly shoot it down. After my post, nothing. Funny that the defense is coming from othe members who they themselves do not know the truth either.
 
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The chinese seller is my friend, he never tell such a lie to me. I only bought to know about the quality and understand what the original knife is being like. So now i know how awesome is xm-18 and 24, umnumzaan startac etc. and i didn't spend much money. Now I am getting rid of them.
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I dont care what your reasons were. I dont even care if you bought clones. Just know that if you want to lend credibility to your case you cant come on the forum lampooning someone for being a liar and thief because they make counterfeit knives (allegedly) acting as if your above it all and then in another thread let it be known you have been buying them all along. That is the very definition of hypocrisy. I have no problem with clones. I dont have a problem with people who buy clones. But I dont have a dog in the fight. I only have a problem when someone like yourself starts trashing them as being thievery yet you yourself are buying them. Doesnt matter what the reason is your part of what you perceive as a problem. Again I dont even have a bone to pick with clones. Hell I have bought them and still own a few. I can even admit that they are morally and ethically questionable. But im not telling people to keep their hand out of the cookie jar while having crumbs on my face.
 
This thing about Reate knives being "overpriced" is kind of silly, IMHO. No knife that sells enough to keep the maker in business is overpriced. If enough people buy the knife, then the maker/seller has the knife priced appropriately.

Now, that knife may be too expensive for ME to buy, but that does not mean that it is overpriced, it just means that I cannot afford the product. That is two different things. I cannot afford to buy a Ferrari but that doesn't make it overpriced.

Pricing in a free society isn't (usually) based on production cost but is based on what the market will bear.

If we are accusing Reate of being an "unethical" company, then I think we need to provide some legitimate proof of that fact. "My friend wouldn't lie to me" and statements of that ilk may mean something to the poster, but it is meaningless to the rest of the knife community. Solid proof is needed before I'll look askance at a company that seems to be solid otherwise.

I don't own a Reate as their current models do not appeal to me enough to bump something else off of my "to-buy" list. I do own (and like very much!) my Kizer Ki4401X and may one day try a Reate if a model that appeals to me comes along. Just personal taste.

JMO.
 
Forum member "Kevin John" (probably the company rep) has this to say:

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Horizon knife from Reate Knives (a secret - it ADAI).
Aliekspress on some wild price for inosrantsev: here is the link.

Knife already in stock in the Russian Federation, without intermediaries, without prepayments and obscure records indefinitely.
Quantity - 10 pieces. Knives license (numbers 5,6,7,8,9, 15,20,22,23,24).
TTX:
Titan, 3D-handle, m390 on the blade, bearing, flip sooo cool.
Overall length: 220 mm.
Blade length: 99 mm.
Blade width: 30 mm.
Butt thickness: 4 mm.

Price 9850 rubles. Who joined the queue for 500 rubles, write to Nastya.

fotochki:
 
Aren't framelocks and compression locks based on the liner lock? Everything is so closely related in an object as simple as a folding knife that making 'homage' pieces isn't much different from what everyone else is doing. An homage Rolex Submariner and the real thing co-exist just fine.

With that said, the numbers being sold there and the number I saw in a youtube video line up perfectly (it was in the thirties). Reate has it's own website with just the Horizon models on it with plenty of information and pictures available. The price mentioned on that other site is equal to the price mentioned here (when you factor in the cost of shipping). $280 for a knife with M390, titanium, bearings, lockbar inserts, etc is quite good. Materials cost on a high-end knife can get up there quickly.

In the US, many knife 'pimpers' customize products from a variety of companies and then once popular enough move into creating their own products. This could be what is happening here.
 
did you at least tested m390 ? no one saw your results of heat-treatment of m390, while HT of s90v on asymmetric knife from KJ is too bad. so how can one pay 300 more dollars for m390 from China if not even one video of carboard or rope cutting test or whatever does exist? no chinese guy can sharp knife and perform a test? i don't believe that.
 
Every time there is a discussion about China made knives for seom reason I am pulled into it with false accusations, etc... The reply below explains me and my Mid Tech knives. Also some more info about pertaining to this thread. I used a middle man with my Mid Tech Dorado project. I mentioned up front I dont want to use a machine shop that made copies of us designers work without their permission. I was told the shop where my parts were made did not do this. If they were made by adai then I was lied to. The last parts I got from this shop were crap and needed son much work I could have started from scratch and had less time into building them into knives. I got raw parts that in no way or form could be assembled into a working knife by anyone except a knifemaker. There were many issues and not all the parts had the same issue so it was like building a screwed up knife every time that I had to trouble shoot to make right. So below has some more details and info that answers all the questions about my Mid Tech knives. I have made full custom knives for 12 years now. I also just started working with Kizer and they are making full production models from my designs under contract with my permission of course.




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Well, I have heard that Cucchiara is doing this with the dorado midtech; supposedly its made in china & he does the tweeking or engraving on it and theres your midtech.I had one I got for 325.00 and as soon as I found this out I sold it. 325 was cheap compared to up to 700.00 depending on the grade of work done.If this is true of these makers I don't think its right. people are buying them thinking they are hand made in a shop in the U.S.I have the kizer knife that looks like the tango, its a great knife for the money.Im sure we will see more of this in the future...


Above is a post made by Goldie one page back in this thread.

Please tell me where you have read this?

First of all I want to say these remarks about me and my Mid Tech Dorado are completely false. This slander in a public forum really pisses me off. You should have done a few searches or sent me an email for the truth instead of slamming my business practices from hearsay, a complete bullsh!t move.

Yes I had parts made for me in China(NOT by Kizer) and I have never hidden this information. I clearly stated this in the first posts I made offering these for sale. Its probably still on my website too. These parts are NOT finished when I get them. They are far from a kit knife, you cant just get the parts and screw them together. nothing is fit or finished on these parts when I get them.Im having the parts cut out with a CNC machine and then hand building them into my working knife. There are several custom makers doing this exact same thing and calling their finished knife a full custom. I dont have a problem with these makers that do this, to each his own, I chose to call them a Mid Tech.

At one point someone in the shop I used had stolen some of my Dorado parts, these were sent to another shop to have them completed. Looks like 12-20 knives were completed and sold behind my back. These knives were not finished in the way I finish my knives. They looked good in pictures but were not right, plastic washers, crappy lock fit, off center blades and the knife did not flip very good if at all. So now I have moved on and Im not using them anymore.
 
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Every time there is a discussion about China made knives for seom reason I am pulled into it with false accusations, etc... The reply below explains me and my Mid Tech knives. Also some more info about pertaining to this thread. I used a middle man with my Mid Tech Dorado project. I mentioned up front I dont want to use a machine shop that made copies of us designers work without their permission. I was told the shop where my parts were made did not do this. If they were made by adai then I was lied to. The last parts I got from this shop were crap and needed son much work I could have started from scratch and had less time into building them into knives. I got raw parts that in no way or form could be assembled into a working knife by anyone except a knifemaker. There were many issues and not all the parts had the same issue so it was like building a screwed up knife every time that I had to trouble shoot to make right. So below has some more details and info that answers all the questions about my Mid Tech knives. I have made full custom knives for 12 years now. I also just started working with Kizer and they are making full production models from my designs under contract with my permission of course.




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Well, I have heard that Cucchiara is doing this with the dorado midtech; supposedly its made in china & he does the tweeking or engraving on it and theres your midtech.I had one I got for 325.00 and as soon as I found this out I sold it. 325 was cheap compared to up to 700.00 depending on the grade of work done.If this is true of these makers I don't think its right. people are buying them thinking they are hand made in a shop in the U.S.I have the kizer knife that looks like the tango, its a great knife for the money.Im sure we will see more of this in the future...


Above is a post made by Goldie one page back in this thread.

Please tell me where you have read this?

First of all I want to say these remarks about me and my Mid Tech Dorado are completely false. This slander in a public forum really pisses me off. You should have done a few searches or sent me an email for the truth instead of slamming my business practices from hearsay, a complete bullsh!t move.

Yes I had parts made for me in China(NOT by Kizer) and I have never hidden this information. I clearly stated this in the first posts I made offering these for sale. Its probably still on my website too. These parts are NOT finished when I get them. They are far from a kit knife, you cant just get the parts and screw them together. nothing is fit or finished on these parts when I get them.Im having the parts cut out with a CNC machine and then hand building them into my working knife. There are several custom makers doing this exact same thing and calling their finished knife a full custom. I dont have a problem with these makers that do this, to each his own, I chose to call them a Mid Tech.

At one point someone in the shop I used had stolen some of my Dorado parts, these were sent to another shop to have them completed. Looks like 12-20 knives were completed and sold behind my back. These knives were not finished in the way I finish my knives. They looked good in pictures but were not right, plastic washers, crappy lock fit, off center blades and the knife did not flip very good if at all. So now I have moved on and Im not using them anymore.
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For he record i have seen your site many times. And if ANYONE says they bought your midtech and didnt know it had asian parts then they were either blind, deaf, stupid or any combination of the three. In fact your complete transparancy on how your mid tech was made was something i have always admired and i found it very refreshing. And honestly the whole " once i found out my knife had chinese parts i sold it" is childish. There are many makers using chinese parts and the only difference is you were up front and honest about it. I guess that is the price you pay for being legit. Sorry Matt. I can appreciate you wanting to set the record straight, but honestly you shouldnt have had to. The information was all ready readily available. And if people didnt read it before i dont have too much faith that they will read it this time. But good for you telling it like it is.......yet again.
 
Thanks man, you confirm for me at least one person read my info, lol.


This is all pretty interesting, lots of changes going on in our knife world right now. The China story is only one part of it...
 
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Thanks man, you confirm for me at least one person read my info, lol.


This is all pretty interesting, lots of changes going on in our knife world right now. The China story is only one part of it...
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It's a sticky issue for sure and there's an awful lot of gray, slander, misinformation, etc. going on. It's sad, because brands like Kizer and Reate are obviously trying to do the right thing but everyone can't help but try to drag them down every chance they get by either spreading the slander and malicious rumors or believing the slander and malicious rumors.

There's clearly dedicated trolls out there trying to bring down Reate for whatever reason. For instance, there's a troll account on Instagram right now "@adaiknives" that is trying to say the same thing as some trolls in this thread, that Reate = Adai. They're even using David's name on there. If you go on there and read the posts, it's pretty much blatantly obvious that it's a troll account trying to drag down Reate's reputation, but you know that there are people out there looking at that and nodding to themselves that the "facts" are now matching their little ignorant worldview that no one in China can be honest.

Kizer has had a fair share of other collaborations that have flown under the radar (Klecker and Gingrich for instance), but it's nice to see them working with someone like you that has a positive reputation (not that Klecker and Gingrich don't have positive reputations, of course) and are willing to openly talk about their collaborations and support Kizer. Especially after the Tim Britton madness.
 
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