"Horizon" 2014 new knives Lightning quick opening, from china Reate custom knives inc

Fine, whatever, you have yet to prove there is any connection between adai and reate. Now you've switched to saying their knife is overpriced. You don't like the brand. Got it. Then stop posting in the thread.
 
unwisefool said:
Fine, whatever, you have yet to prove there is any connection between adai and reate. Now you've switched to saying their knife is overpriced. You don't like the brand. Got it. Then stop posting in the thread.
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what you just said i don't like THE BRAND - doesn't make any sense. i gave information to everybody, they can decide on themselves. he adai guy now is saying he is reate and not adai. do you believe THAT? and why is that? very interesting. because he gave ABSOLUTELY no proof of it. he is the only one who is stating it. now, TWO biggest great resellers who worked with adai - one russian and one chinese all are saying reate is adai. i even gave you a link to auction of ADAI (NOT any "reate") prototype, which was sold on the auction by this biggest reseller, who is such a big shot, that now he is the only one who work with kevin. it is enough proof, of course if you have really no connection to adai-reate boy. i would even share more info, but one guy asked me to not to, so i wouldn't. what i really don't like is the behaviour of adai is acting now - cheating people and overpricing. i don't want any knives fans to be cheated, because i believe most of knives fans are like me, that means they are good people. i want them to have more knives for the right price.
 
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if you don't want to overpay - spent $350 instead of 137$ for the same knife - YOU stop posting in the thread. because you just don't even wanna hear the truth about the situation.
 
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if you don't want to overpay - spent $350 instead of 137$ for the same knife - YOU stop posting in the thread. because you just don't even wanna hear the truth about the situation.
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Good God, dude, who cares??? I don't get why you keep making this a big deal. Here's a newsflash for you. Some people absolutely could not care less who personally makes the knife, or runs the company who makes the knife. Just don't care. Adai, Reate, I don't know, or care who the hell EITHER of these people are. I'm pretty sure 99.99% of the people reading this thread don't care. I mean, Strider is still selling every knife they can make, and that dude lied about being some big military special forces snake-eater. So, no one is going to care who's who or who Reate even is. Some folks see these knives, and think "Sweet, I like those materials at that price. Sold." So, all your "OMG, the TRUTH! This is the real truth about who Reate is!!! The TRUUUUUUUTH!!!!!!11!!" and "Omg this one dude is this other dude, who's a Russian mobster, or a Chinese Triad member*". It's whatever, man.

Let it go already.




*I couldn't even be bothered to do more than glance over all of your posts. Why not? DINGDINGDING: because I don't care about the guy running this company. I'm not buying any of these knives anyway.
 
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I couldn't even be bothered to do more than glance over all of your posts. Why not? DINGDINGDING: because I don't care about the guy running this company. I'm not buying any of these knives anyway.
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that's why you don't notice what i really am saying. I am saying about the overpricing!!! the guy is LYING all the way, that's why he didn't forget to lie about the right price too.
 
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that's why you don't notice what i really am saying. I am saying about the overpricing!!! the guy is LYING all the way, that's why he didn't forget to lie about the right price too.
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You're not getting what I'M saying: NO ONE CARES. I mean, what do you want? A ton of people to come in, smack their friggin' foreheads and be like "HOLY S#!+ rkgp2112, I was so blind! Thankfully YOU came along and totally saved us all from spending our money how we see fit!!!!"

Yeah, no one is going to say that*.

Time to let it go, man.




*Correction, no one will say that and be saying it seriously.
 
this is an intersting thread.

I was in the Pass around with the Horizon A and I like it.

But the price still has me scratching my head.
 
gooeytek said:
Full Titanium, M390 blade steel, pivot bearings? How much should it cost?
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again, i will repeat. About a hundred and a few more bucks FROM MANUFACTURER, wholesale price. NOT MORE. PERIOD.
m390 doesn't cost that much that you think. such a high pricing for m390 is just overpricing.
the same knife with n690 costs about 100 dollars, btw. you add 30$ and it is the right price, for getting JUST A LITTLE PIECE of better steel. it isn't like a great amounts of m390 which it was made for.
 
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Price isn't generous lol but I dont care about that. That's for individuals to decide if it is worth it of course.

My concern is, if the Adai-Reate-KJ connection is true, doesn't it mean we are supporting the same guys who produces counterfeits of American made knives if we buy their knives? Just saying...

What do you guys think? If it's true, it means it's from the very same guys making ZT ripoffs maybe even Strider, Hinderer, CR...IF TRUE and I'd hope for a clear yes or no answer (somehow get to the bottom of this) if these are the same folks making fakes.
 
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Price isn't generous lol but I dont care about that. That's for individuals to decide if it is worth it of course.

My concern is, if the Adai-Reate-KJ connection is true, doesn't it mean we are supporting the same guys who produces counterfeits of American made knives if we buy their knives? Just saying...

What do you guys think? If it's true, it means it's from the very same guys making ZT ripoffs maybe even Strider, Hinderer, CR...IF TRUE and I'd hope for a clear yes or no answer (somehow get to the bottom of this) if these are the same folks making fakes.
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It concerns me and alarms go off with red flags.I am sure the truth will prevail and until then I will not pass judgement.I feel for me personally a 0562 CF from a reputable dealer like BHQ, GP, or KW would fill my needs just as well and I would sleep better.When it is released it will cost less than the current price of the Horizon.This is my personal opinion and feelings.Buying knives from a USA based reputable dealer and having a warranty department that has a proven history factors into my decisions as to how much money I would be willing to spend on any knife.The Horizon is a quality knife in my opinion, but there are too many unanswered questions in my mind to spend over 300 bucks.

I paid $170 for my ZT 801 and $320 for my ZT 0600 from reputable dealers and they are both excellent Ti flippers.Many super steels are going mainstream on models like the Manix 2 LW S110v.I believe M390 and another super abrasion resistant steels will be as mainstream as S30v in the next few years.There are many new production models releasing this year in M390, S90v,and even S110V that are well below the $300 mark.300 dollars is a lot of money to some of us working folks......
 
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yes, the manix 2 has s110v and costs just $130 shipped. you add it titanium handle and it will cost 60 dollars more. even less, because you don't spend money to make FRN handle and liners. let it be minus $10 and high priced USA shipping - minus $8. what, 172 dollars for s110v. ok, 180. for american made. (high wages etc). now, chinese made knife's m390 for THREE HUNDRED EIGHTEEN DOLLARS?!! just fire me. i'm out of it.
 
if you starting like "bearings"... i ain't giving it a sh*t. reate knives are adai-made and adai-made bearings is sh*t. OK, they are better now, but the fake of southard flipper flips awesome and better than adai's 0888, how much it costs? right, 70 dollars shipped. bearings don't cost almost nothing.
 
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rkgp2112 said:
First of all. i SWEAR they ARE overpriced. The guy who sold adai, said first the price was VERY MUCH LOWER. You have to understand it. Also, Mikhail, too makes me know that, because he sells VERY high prices, i mean VERY large margin he makes, and still his price is lower than that of ali. so from factory he gets MUCH cheaper than you thought.
Now you all guys just rising the price of knife which you could buy much cheaper. with your words it rises very high, because of the demand. No one buy - he would understand, he should set the initial price.
The second, there really is something to do with kevin bearings. You should look at this http://youtu.be/sobsx3ZYpbY?t=14m9s and also from 16m 56s you can hear what a crap a-dai bearings are. also i had replica of zt 0888 and the bearings are AWFUL, every bearing not the same size, not round, like ellypse, that's why that bad kind of movement and sound. even kevin's ones are better.
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I'm convinced you have an axe to grind with the company for some reason. And I have a hard time believing anything you type when you attack the company for making clones (allegedly) but admit to buying and owning many of them in various threads. Basically what I am seeing from you are a lot of accusations, attacks and claims of inferiority yet you provide nothing in the way of proof. Supplying videos in a foreign language that only you understand doesnt prove anything to me. If you are going to point a finger make sure you have sufficient evidence to back that claim. Not just your opinion. We all know what they say about opinions. As for the items being overpriced that is up to the individual. Sitting there saying that they are overpriced because you believe previously they were going to be offered cheaper means nothing. We dont even know if this is true. Furthermore the price could have changed for many reasons. It doesnt mean they are overpriced. From an options to dollar ratio they seem to be on par with most companies with those specs. Especially since this knife is manufactured in a way none others currently are. I think your getting hung up on the whole china issue of which im sorry people still feel humans in china arent capable of creating something of worth. And by your definition of overpriced I cant think of any knife that wouldnt fit into the category as every knife has what we call a profit margin. It is a necessary evil if you want makers to continue making a product.
 
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So Spyderco Southard are overpriced? That would mean the Domino is overpriced too, no? Basically, you're saying that anything over $130 is too much for any folder because you can get one with a superlative steel like M390 riding on bearings in a machine-textured titanium framelock, right? So the Spyderco Gayle Bradley, one of the best values in the knife industry at around $120 is bordering on being overpriced because it should at least have bearings and titanium? The ZT550 better have a higher-end steel and bearings at $150?

I like where this is going, but that's just being delusional. Think I can get a Shirogorov 95 for $150? I don't even care what steel the blade comes in.

rkgp2112 said:
if you starting like "bearings"... i ain't giving it a sh*t. reate knives are adai-made and adai-made bearings is sh*t. OK, they are better now, but the fake of southard flipper flips awesome and better than adai's 0888, how much it costs? right, 70 dollars shipped. bearings don't cost almost nothing.
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rkgp2112 said:
again, i will repeat. About a hundred and a few more bucks FROM MANUFACTURER, wholesale price. NOT MORE. PERIOD.
m390 doesn't cost that much that you think. such a high pricing for m390 is just overpricing.
the same knife with n690 costs about 100 dollars, btw. you add 30$ and it is the right price, for getting JUST A LITTLE PIECE of better steel. it isn't like a great amounts of m390 which it was made for.
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Again then every knife is overpriced. And its not the cost of the raw material but the fact that M390 is harder to machine, finish and sharpen. It takes more time and wears tooling faster. If you want to start a crusade against overpriced knives go after shirogorov.
 
Stays Sharp said:
Price isn't generous lol but I dont care about that. That's for individuals to decide if it is worth it of course.

My concern is, if the Adai-Reate-KJ connection is true, doesn't it mean we are supporting the same guys who produces counterfeits of American made knives if we buy their knives? Just saying...

What do you guys think? If it's true, it means it's from the very same guys making ZT ripoffs maybe even Strider, Hinderer, CR...IF TRUE and I'd hope for a clear yes or no answer (somehow get to the bottom of this) if these are the same folks making fakes.
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Let it be known that Reate stands from the position that they are their own company. They have an employee that previously worked for A Dai but they say he no longer is affiliated with them. But for giggles lets say that the same people responsible for the A Dai clones are the same people making Reate. Wouldnt you like to see these individuals move from making clones to making their own designs? I understand that your concerns of supporting a company that may be making fakes. But I think the burden of proof is on the individual making the claims. He came into this thread calling out Reate and despite his initial negative comments towards clones it is now known that he owns a number of them. All the "evidence" he has provided is meaningless. Just because a dealer of replicas states that the knife was made by A Dai doesnt mean it was. Do you know how many "wild boar" knives are sold as "kevin John" because KJ has a reputation of being a better made knife? All Im saying is that that seller may have been wanting to reference A Dai because his target buyers are more familiar with A Dai than they are with Reate.
 
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Again then every knife is overpriced. And its not the cost of the raw material but the fact that M390 is harder to machine, finish and sharpen. It takes more time and wears tooling faster. If you want to start a crusade against overpriced knives go after shirogorov.
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No, much chrome, it has good machinability. About shirogorov...Only after you buy at least one 111 and then you try to repeat what you said. it is the Quality itself. for example - it is like it has bearings, but it has not.
 
The chinese seller is my friend, he never tell such a lie to me. I only bought to know about the quality and understand what the original knife is being like. So now i know how awesome is xm-18 and 24, umnumzaan startac etc. and i didn't spend much money. Now I am getting rid of them.
 
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