Hossom Forester!!!!111!! BBQ

:D Cliff, I'm really not sure how to respond. You seem to infer I said things I didn't then argue with what I didn't say. You also say things that defy common sense then claim they are supported by some illusory evidence you never reveal.

"even vanadium carbides have chromium in them"

Did you actually say that? :foot: :rolleyes:

"Now all that wear resistance did was cause more damage to be induces and make it take much longer to repair."

Thus the reason high carbide steels are used in stamping dies. :rolleyes: :)

"In particular the steel being used in the above knife is actually a high chroimum carbide steel."

As are most all martensitic stainless steels such as 440C, 154CM, VG10, etc, etc. Have you ever tested 12C27 in such a role? Did you not observe substantial edge deformation? It certainly is not very wear resistant, but I guess that's your choice. By your reasoning, why wouldn't AEB-L be a better choice?

"Now the obvious question would be if you need high carbide in a stainless for a chopper, why are all the ABS guys not using high carbide in the non-stainless."

Huh?!! :rolleyes:

"Would anyone argue because they are using low-wear steels that the performance of a 1084 steel from Cashen is a low performance chopper."

Maybe chopping wood is not Cashen's goal?

Here's a question for you. Why are many of the Professional Cutting Competition competitors using high carbide steels? CPM-REX M4 for instance. And note: In these competitions wear resistance is not an issue, it's about sharpness and durability - the two attributes you claim are lost with high alloy steels.

"that is exactly the claim made when it is said that high carbide steels offer superior performance."

So you're saying that the combination of wear resistance and corrosion resistance is not a performance issue? :)

"optomized"

You remain the only person I know who claims to be a scientist and can't spell a word that is common to almost every technical discussion of any nature. Optimize this! :D

Cliff, I knew when Spyderco introduced these knives you wouldn't be able to refrain from bashing them. I'm surprised you resisted this long.

I'm trying not to take this personally, but only because you're my friend. :D
 
Some excellent collaborations have just been released by Mr. Hossum and Spyderco.

Chris
 
I am not a very technical guy, but I have owned one of Jerry's knives and will buy one of the collaborations. His custom was well balanced, cut well, and had handle ergonomics second to none.

Jerry's collaboration sounds to be the same. Money well spent.
 
I think one of each size Hossom/Spyderco FB lined up on a magnetic wall holder would make a pretty good impression on people stepping into our kitchen. :D
 
Thanks for the kind comments. These knives really aren't appropriate for the kitchen. The edges are heavy duty, intended for hard use in the woods, and while they would go through chicken bones, etc without hesitation they would suck at slicing tomatoes. These are very distinctive convex edges, essentially the same as I put on my custom versions of these same knives. They're tough, stay cutting sharp for a very long time, and can easily be sharpened with any sharpening rod or (better still) a mouse pad, small belt sander, or other convex sharpening method.

No tomatoes. Zucchini, but no tomatoes. :D
 
Give a man only a hammer and he can only solve problems by smashing nails.

It may come as a shock to some people...well one apparently, but some people actually like "stainless steels" in their knives. It may also surprise one to realize that not everyone needs to beat their knives on hardwoods and then rub their rust prone blades with oil to feel manly.

I'm certain Mr. Hossom's use of the Second Law was correct and means exactly what he thinks it means. I don't even need mind reading powers to know this to be true. (Wow disputing another poster by just saying they are wrong is surprisingly easy.)
 
ok so i finally got the knife. here are the pics i promised for you guys and a lil commmentary on it. overall impressions it isnt as big as everybody was making out (i know it isnt the foresster but people were saying the dayhiker was huge). the green micarta is beautiful, that is what really sold me on the knife or at least owning one of them. i wish there were rivets instead of the screws but thats just my opinion. i took some comparison pics so you guys who dont have one can get a feel for its total size. (the handle is nice and big but it fits my hands nicely). when i went into the kitchen to get some more light for the pics i noticed bumps (or looks like bumps in one side of the steel) i circled where they were in my lil girls crayons but in that pic you dont really see it. i am guessing this is just part of the metalurgy process of hammering the steel into the semi finished product. will it effect the knife in the field...i doubt it. is it an imperfection . i think so.. what do you guys think? i got it from NGK and i know they would send me a different one if i wanted. should i??? or maybe send it straight to spyderco? if i sent it to NGK i am sure it would make its way back to CO anyways. any opinions?
just for a lil extra info the pictures make the "spots" barely perceptible, they were hard to photograph but you can see it alot clearer in person. the best shot is in the second to last pic. Jerry i was wondering your thoughts on those bumps. Bottom line is that it is a great looking knife and i have no doubt it works just as well as it looks.

P.S. who is CC#81. i like to know whose numbered knife i have. PM me if you dont mind. thanks.
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Hmmm, I thought I replied to this last night. Curious.

Those bumps are absolutely not acceptable. I've never seen anything like them and can't even imagine how they could happen.

I'd suggest contacting Spyderco directly and tell them about it. I'm sure they want the knife back so they can examine the defect. They'll issue a replacement as soon as they get it.

Sorry this happened to you.
 
Hi Tony,

I answered you on the other forum to send it in. Call if to my attention. Sorry for the inconvenience.

I can't say as I've ever seen that before.

Jerry, are you going to Atlanta?

sal
 
I have had one on order since these were announced, just got it today.

Great balance, feels wonderful in the hand, very well executed handle contours, as expected great ergos, at rest. Going to cut some green bamboo in the morning.

I think the steel is as acceptable a choice as any. Being the businessman AND righteous dude that he is, if Sal thought it was crap, he would not have put the Spyderco name on it.

The choil area is finished a bit crisply, which means sharp edges for your fingers. It is my personal preference for this area to be rounded, so that will be taken care of with a Cratex wheel before bambooing.

Last thought is that it is bit on the spendy side.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
Cliff Stamp said:
Your first point also implies that speed decreases as mass increases, this is also not true because in the human body you will apply more force under a heavier load. This is obviously false to anyone who uses hand tools dynamically. Any carpenter for example knows he can swing a 16 oz framing hammer just as fast as a light finish hammer. So the relationship you implied is trivially negated.
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The problem with such a statement is that if you extend it, I can swing a 12 lb sledge hammer just as easily as I can a "light finish hammer"....for a couple swings.
 
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