How bad is my batch ?

[MolokaiRider]

Challenges associated with Penetration of Nanoparticles across Cell and Tissue Barriers: A Review of Current Status and Future Prospects

Nanoparticles (NPs) have emerged as an effective modality for the treatment of various diseases including cancer, cardiovascular and inflammatory diseases. Various forms of NPs including liposomes, polymer particles, micelles, dendrimers, quantum dots, ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Opportunities and Challenges in the Delivery of mRNA-Based Vaccines

In the past few years, there has been increasing focus on the use of messenger RNA (mRNA) as a new therapeutic modality. Current clinical efforts encompassing mRNA-based drugs are directed toward infectious disease vaccines, cancer immunotherapies, therapeutic ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Pre-exposure to mRNA-LNP inhibits adaptive immune responses and alters innate immune fitness in an inheritable fashion

Hundreds of millions of SARS-CoV-2 mRNA-LNP vaccine doses have already been administered to humans. However, we lack a comprehensive understanding of the immune effects of this platform. The mRNA-LNP-based SARS-CoV-2 vaccine is highly inflammatory, and ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Some good reading.

Data suggests that there are many unknown variables of mRNA vaccine delivery systems and long term affects or adaptive responses.

There is also data that suggests compromised immune systems, as well as the ability to pass these proteins to your children.

On the plus side they are cheap to make.

 

[knarfeng]

If there was a body of facts that raided reasonable doubt by way of a wide range of scientiests in the field then I would feel less like it was a flat earth debate.

If you want opinions and facts from experts and scientists who hold contrasting opinions, try reading Dr. Robert Malone's opinions. Try reading Dr, Peter A. McCullough. Try reading Dr. Ryan Cole. You might even listen to Dr. Mike Yeadon, previously vice president and chief scientist for allergy and respiratory at Pfizer.

I can't give any credence to an argument built on a foundation of easily proven lies.

Exactly my point. CDC and government officials stated these as FACTS.
>regular masks protect you from covid
>Vaccination will prevent you from getting covid
>If you are vaccinated you can't spread the virus, so you need to get vaccinated to protect grandma.

But NONE of those things is true. So the official statements have repeatedly turned out to be false.
Meanwhile,

CDC withholding COVID data over fears of misinterpretation

The CDC has admitted it is withholding large portions of COVID-19 data from the public because it fears the information could be misinterpreted.

nypost.com

CDC has admitted to withholding data which could be construed as being negative to the vaccines.
The CDC has admitted it is withholding large portions of COVID-19 data — including on vaccine boosters — from the public because it fears the information could be misinterpreted.

The leading public health agency has only published a small sample of the data it has been collecting — despite being two years into the pandemic, sources told the New York Times.

Kristen Nordlund, a CDC spokeswoman, said the reason for the slow release of data is “because basically, at the end of the day, it’s not yet ready for prime time.”

She added that the CDC’s “priority when gathering any data is to ensure that it’s accurate and actionable.”

But another reason is that the data could be misinterpreted by the public, Nordlund admitted.

So at this point it is clear that the CDC tells lies and they hide data that they consider negative. That sounds a LOT like "misinformation" to me.

I don't expect to change your mind about goodness of the covid vaccines. If you are happy with them I'm happy for you. But don't go telling me that something is "misinformation" merely because it disagrees with your world view.

 

[elkins45]

Why in the world is this still being discussed? By this point everyone has already made the decision about whether they are going to be vaccinated. Do you really think there’s anyone still on the fence?

 

[Danke42]

Dr. Mike Yeadon

Michael Yeadon is a British anti-vaccine activist and retired pharmacologist who attracted media attention for making false or unfounded claims about the COVID-19 pandemic and the safety of COVID-19 vaccines.

Dr. Robert Malone

During the COVID-19 pandemic, Malone has promoted misinformation about the safety and efficacy of COVID-19 vaccines

Peter A. McCullough.

McCullough has promoted misinformation about COVID-19, its treatments, and mRNA vaccines.

Dr. Ryan Cole

A viral video features a doctor making dubious claims about COVID-19 vaccines and treatments at a forum hosted by Idaho’s lieutenant governor. Dr. Ryan Cole claims mRNA vaccines cause cancer and autoimmune diseases, but the lead author of the paper on which Cole based that claim told us there is no evidence mRNA vaccines cause those ailments.

Kinda not convinced.

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[knarfeng]

Michael Yeadon is a British anti-vaccine activist and retired pharmacologist who attracted media attention for making false or unfounded claims about the COVID-19 pandemic and the safety of COVID-19 vaccines.

During the COVID-19 pandemic, Malone has promoted misinformation about the safety and efficacy of COVID-19 vaccines

McCullough has promoted misinformation about COVID-19, its treatments, and mRNA vaccines.

A viral video features a doctor making dubious claims about COVID-19 vaccines and treatments at a forum hosted by Idaho’s lieutenant governor. Dr. Ryan Cole claims mRNA vaccines cause cancer and autoimmune diseases, but the lead author of the paper on which Cole based that claim told us there is no evidence mRNA vaccines cause those ailments.

Kinda not convinced.

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Yes. They have been labelled "misinformers" by the same people who promised that "if you get the vaccine, you can't get covid" and "if you get the vaccine, you cannot transmit covid to grandma."

Try listening to Joe Rogan's interviews with these gentlemen.
These are the interviews that triggered the attempted purge of Joe Rogan, so I don't actually expect that you will deign to listen to them. But if you really are curious about who these Dr's are and why they have the qualifications to raise valid objections, this will tell you. And if you are really interested in data, look up later interviews with Peter McCullough. When he makes a point, he frequently documents it by citing a published, peer-reviewed, article from a standard medical journal.

Joe Rogan, JRE-1757, Robert Malone COVID

Joe Rogan, JRE-1757, Robert Malone COVID

rumble.com

Joe Rogan & Peter McCullough FULL interview Part 1of 6

iProject Truth Joe Rogan & Peter McCullough FULL interview Part 1 of 6 Banned from YouTube. Credentials - :40 1st Covid19 Treatment publication - 4:40 Hydroxychloroquine - 6:30 Ivermectin - 20:18 Supp

rumble.com

 

[Danke42]

Yes. They have been labelled "misinformers" by the same people who promised that "if you get the vaccine, you can't get covid" and "if you get the vaccine, you cannot transmit covid to grandma."

Try listening to Joe Rogan's interviews with these gentlemen.
These are the interviews that triggered the attempted purge of Joe Rogan, so I don't actually expect that you will deign to listen to them. But if you really are curious about who these Dr's are and why they have the qualifications to raise valid objections, this will tell you. And if you are really interested in data, look up later interviews with Peter McCullough. When he makes a point, he frequently documents it by citing a published, peer-reviewed, article from a standard medical journal.

Joe Rogan, JRE-1757, Robert Malone COVID

Joe Rogan, JRE-1757, Robert Malone COVID

rumble.com

Joe Rogan & Peter McCullough FULL interview Part 1of 6

iProject Truth Joe Rogan & Peter McCullough FULL interview Part 1 of 6 Banned from YouTube. Credentials - :40 1st Covid19 Treatment publication - 4:40 Hydroxychloroquine - 6:30 Ivermectin - 20:18 Supp

rumble.com

Joe Rogan’s Covid claims: what does the science actually say?

Podcaster has made numerous disputed claims about virus, vaccines and lockdowns

www.theguardian.com

 

[knarfeng]

The legacy media and CDC have told multiple untruths, as I demonstrated above. So I have no reason to believe what they say about people who disagree with them. You asked for sources. I gave them. If you don't want to go to the effort of checking them out yourself, that's fine by me.

 

[Danke42]

I try not to take any medical advice from the entertainment sector.

I would totally take comedy advice from Joe Rogan though. He's been consistently hilarious.

 

[knarfeng]

True enough. But he was asking questions, not giving advice.

 

[Danke42]

True enough. But he was asking questions, not giving advice.

I think questions like those are generally accepted as leading.

 

[knarfeng]

You won't know until you listen

 

[DayofReckoning]

“The future will be about finding a way to reduce the population… Of course, we will not be able to execute people or build camps. We get rid of them by making them believe it is for their own good… We will find or cause something, a pandemic targeting certain people, a real economic crisis or not, a virus affecting the old or the elderly, it doesn’t matter, the weak and the fearful will succumb to it. The stupid will believe in it and ask to be treated. We will have taken care of having panned the treatment, a treatment that will be the solution. The selection of idiots will therefore be done by itself: they will go to the slaughterhouse alone.”

I am personally at a very different mindset now versus back when this entire thing began. I hate seeing innocent people being harmed, but as far as I am concerned, at this point anyone still going along with this insanity, anyone who cannot see beyond the lies, well I truly feel there is no hope of convincing you you've made a mistake. Many know deep inside they have, but double and triple down, because it's not just their pride at stake, it's their very life and health that is if they are wrong.

Keep injecting the boosters, continue to give up liberties thinking it's buying you safety. I rest easy knowing I'm on the right side of history, and that my natural god given immune system is fully intact.

The next several years are going to be a long, dark road for many. The recent explosion of myocarditis, blood clots and cancers is childs play next to what's instore. But as you can see from the quote above, this has been planned for a very long time.

 

[WValtakis]

“The future will be about finding a way to reduce the population… Of course, we will not be able to execute people or build camps. We get rid of them by making them believe it is for their own good… We will find or cause something, a pandemic targeting certain people, a real economic crisis or not, a virus affecting the old or the elderly, it doesn’t matter, the weak and the fearful will succumb to it. The stupid will believe in it and ask to be treated. We will have taken care of having panned the treatment, a treatment that will be the solution. The selection of idiots will therefore be done by itself: they will go to the slaughterhouse alone.”

I am personally at a very different mindset now versus back when this entire thing began. I hate seeing innocent people being harmed, but as far as I am concerned, at this point anyone still going along with this insanity, anyone who cannot see beyond the lies, well I truly feel there is no hope of convincing you you've made a mistake. Many know deep inside they have, but double and triple down, because it's not just their pride at stake, it's their very life and health that is if they are wrong.

Keep injecting the boosters, continue to give up liberties thinking it's buying you safety. I rest easy knowing I'm on the right side of history, and that my natural god given immune system is fully intact.

The next several years are going to be a long, dark road for many. The recent explosion of myocarditis, blood clots and cancers is childs play next to what's instore. But as you can see from the quote above, this has been planned for a very long time.

Except...your quote is fake.

Did Jacques Attali Encourage Pandemic-Driven Euthanasia?

Misinformation is a universal language.

www.snopes.com

 

[DayofReckoning]

Snopes..... that's rich.

Again, anyone this far along, still going along with this, and even willing to use someplace like Snopes as their source of information, well it's probably too late to change your mind on anything.

 

[WValtakis]

Snopes..... that's rich.

Again, anyone this far along, still going along with this, and even willing to use someplace like Snopes as their source of information, well it's probably too late to change your mind on anything.

You posted a quote with no attribution or context, so I googled it...the first page of results were all articles debunking the fake quote. Maybe you can provide something proving it to be a real quote?

 

[DayofReckoning]

You posted a quote with no attribution or context, so I googled it...the first page of results were all articles debunking the fake quote. Maybe you can provide something proving it to be a real quote?

There is your problem.

I can tell you what certainly isn't fake, the mountain of injuries and death associated with this experimental gene therapy being masqueraded as a "vaccine". Though I do enjoy discussion and discourse on the topic, it will never be productive to be honest, as I think both sides are pretty dug in where they stand.

Only difference is one side has skin in the game, the other does not.

 

[Insipid Moniker]

Challenges associated with Penetration of Nanoparticles across Cell and Tissue Barriers: A Review of Current Status and Future Prospects

Nanoparticles (NPs) have emerged as an effective modality for the treatment of various diseases including cancer, cardiovascular and inflammatory diseases. Various forms of NPs including liposomes, polymer particles, micelles, dendrimers, quantum dots, ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Opportunities and Challenges in the Delivery of mRNA-Based Vaccines

In the past few years, there has been increasing focus on the use of messenger RNA (mRNA) as a new therapeutic modality. Current clinical efforts encompassing mRNA-based drugs are directed toward infectious disease vaccines, cancer immunotherapies, therapeutic ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Pre-exposure to mRNA-LNP inhibits adaptive immune responses and alters innate immune fitness in an inheritable fashion

Hundreds of millions of SARS-CoV-2 mRNA-LNP vaccine doses have already been administered to humans. However, we lack a comprehensive understanding of the immune effects of this platform. The mRNA-LNP-based SARS-CoV-2 vaccine is highly inflammatory, and ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Some good reading.

Data suggests that there are many unknown variables of mRNA vaccine delivery systems and long term affects or adaptive responses.

There is also data that suggests compromised immune systems, as well as the ability to pass these proteins to your children.

On the plus side they are cheap to make.

I think you're misreading the data quoted.

The first paper you posted is, at best, very tangentially related to any of the vaccines. It's largely just about how the medical field is tackling the challenge of appropriately delivering nanoparticle medications, mostly for cancer treatment and atherosclerosis in their examples.

The second paper pretty clearly states that mRNA vaccines have a number of advantages in safety and efficacy over not only traditional vaccines, but over other nucleic-acid based vaccines.

The last paper is the most interesting. It seems like the mRNA vaccines hit your adaptive immune system harder than initially thought, though it looks like that effect wanes significantly over time. The heritable bit that's passed down to offspring, however, is IMPROVED immune response to influenza in that particular test, while the decreased immune response to candida wasn't passed down. It also points out that the adaptive immune response can be overcome by adjuvants, like the one found in the Novavax.

It seems like the major issue is that immediately following the vaccines you may be more susceptible to other infections for a few months, which does make me wonder if that's in part responsible for the severity of the flu and RSV we're currently seeing, on the other hand, we also have a lot of data that Covid infection does lasting damage to your immune system, with reinfections making the damage worse and worse.

Now I AM very curious if that article points to the vaccines being partly responsible for the Candida Auris outbreak in Las Vegas.

All in all, I think the vaccines are more than worth the risk with what we know about Covid and long Covid. The issues with micro-clotting, strokes, cardiac events, cognitive degeneration, lowered immune response and pathological changes in the lymphatic system that they're seeing after even symptomatically mild Covid infections concern me a great deal more than the side effects we've seen with the vaccines.

I do wish Novavax was more widely available and more highly recommended, as it seems to be the most efficacious vaccine to date.

 

[MolokaiRider]

I think you're misreading the data quoted.

The first paper you posted is, at best, very tangentially related to any of the vaccines. It's largely just about how the medical field is tackling the challenge of appropriately delivering nanoparticle medications, mostly for cancer treatment and atherosclerosis in their examples.

The second paper pretty clearly states that mRNA vaccines have a number of advantages in safety and efficacy over not only traditional vaccines, but over other nucleic-acid based vaccines.

The last paper is the most interesting. It seems like the mRNA vaccines hit your adaptive immune system harder than initially thought, though it looks like that effect wanes significantly over time. The heritable bit that's passed down to offspring, however, is IMPROVED immune response to influenza in that particular test, while the decreased immune response to candida wasn't passed down. It also points out that the adaptive immune response can be overcome by adjuvants, like the one found in the Novavax.

It seems like the major issue is that immediately following the vaccines you may be more susceptible to other infections for a few months, which does make me wonder if that's in part responsible for the severity of the flu and RSV we're currently seeing, on the other hand, we also have a lot of data that Covid infection does lasting damage to your immune system, with reinfections making the damage worse and worse.

Now I AM very curious if that article points to the vaccines being partly responsible for the Candida Auris outbreak in Las Vegas.

All in all, I think the vaccines are more than worth the risk with what we know about Covid and long Covid. The issues with micro-clotting, strokes, cardiac events, cognitive degeneration, lowered immune response and pathological changes in the lymphatic system that they're seeing after even symptomatically mild Covid infections concern me a great deal more than the side effects we've seen with the vaccines.

I do wish Novavax was more widely available and more highly recommended, as it seems to be the most efficacious vaccine to date.

It's a lot of data to read through, and I appreciate your interpretation.

Have you found anything on the relationship that Covid is causing these additional health issues in contrast to those vaccinated vs non? I can't find much that seems like solid information without much bias on both ends.

I think what I was understanding in the first two articles is the variability of lipid delivery systems and the potential for movement from targeted locations.

I appreciate the dialogue man! It's been a challenge wading through so much disinformation.

I have regular conversations with microbiologists, viral experts, infectious disease experts, and several other PHDs in my line of work. I even get conflicting conversations from these folks, so it makes one pause and wonder.

 

[Insipid Moniker]

It's a lot of data to read through, and I appreciate your interpretation.

Have you found anything on the relationship that Covid is causing these additional health issues in contrast to those vaccinated vs non? I can't find much that seems like solid information without much bias on both ends.

I think what I was understanding in the first two articles is the variability of lipid delivery systems and the potential for movement from targeted locations.

I appreciate the dialogue man! It's been a challenge wading through so much disinformation.

I have regular conversations with microbiologists, viral experts, infectious disease experts, and several other PHDs in my line of work. I even get conflicting conversations from these folks, so it makes one pause and wonder.

From all the data I've seen, the deaths lean heavily towards the unvaccinated, but the trend seems to be that it's evening out, possibly as new, more immune evasive variants are produced.

 

[Chefget]

I think you're misreading the data quoted.

The first paper you posted is, at best, very tangentially related to any of the vaccines. It's largely just about how the medical field is tackling the challenge of appropriately delivering nanoparticle medications, mostly for cancer treatment and atherosclerosis in their examples.

The second paper pretty clearly states that mRNA vaccines have a number of advantages in safety and efficacy over not only traditional vaccines, but over other nucleic-acid based vaccines.

The last paper is the most interesting. It seems like the mRNA vaccines hit your adaptive immune system harder than initially thought, though it looks like that effect wanes significantly over time. The heritable bit that's passed down to offspring, however, is IMPROVED immune response to influenza in that particular test, while the decreased immune response to candida wasn't passed down. It also points out that the adaptive immune response can be overcome by adjuvants, like the one found in the Novavax.

It seems like the major issue is that immediately following the vaccines you may be more susceptible to other infections for a few months, which does make me wonder if that's in part responsible for the severity of the flu and RSV we're currently seeing, on the other hand, we also have a lot of data that Covid infection does lasting damage to your immune system, with reinfections making the damage worse and worse.

Now I AM very curious if that article points to the vaccines being partly responsible for the Candida Auris outbreak in Las Vegas.

All in all, I think the vaccines are more than worth the risk with what we know about Covid and long Covid. The issues with micro-clotting, strokes, cardiac events, cognitive degeneration, lowered immune response and pathological changes in the lymphatic system that they're seeing after even symptomatically mild Covid infections concern me a great deal more than the side effects we've seen with the vaccines.

I do wish Novavax was more widely available and more highly recommended, as it seems to be the most efficacious vaccine to date.

If you are going to use sound logic and reasoning instead of apocalyptic conspiracy fear-mongering, imma unfollowing