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My only complaint about the 40 is that from everything I have seen and read, it and rounds like the 357 Sig, are so snappy that they beat the crap out of the guns. You tend to see about half the life on a .40 as you do on a 9 mil.
 
I'm not sure the exact percentage but I don't think you have to worry about wearing a gun out. Unless your in serious competition or military/esq position, most wont even make it to the first spring change.
I carry a .40 but shoot 3-gun with a 9.
The kick on the .357 sig is pretty snappy but all of them are very manageable with practice.
M&P .40 with an APEX FSS and trigger ohhhh my!
 
Yup, I've seen a few reports of M&P 40's clocking in at over a million rounds without breaking. I haven't seen anything reliable yet to indicate that a .40 is any worse than a 9. There's not much (if anything) in the way of hard evidence to suggest that, and even if there were, a lot of people shoot +p+ out of their 9's anyways, and that's definitely harder on the guns than a .40 will ever be.
 
Agreed +p is gonna wear harder too. I like my Para P-13 45 but my next gun is probably going to be a 9 mil and a compact or subcompact at that. My P-13 is NOT a particularly comfortable Concealed carry ..lol
 
bigghoss said:
Maybe 15 years ago it offered an improvement in terminal ballistics over 9mm but with advancements in bullet design and performance the difference is now marginal at best.
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So, let me get this straight... Advancements in bullet design only apply to the 9mm, hmm? Don't think so. Any advantage that a .40 has over a 9mm will still remain. Better use a different argument. I read that same BS all the time. Bullet advancements generally apply straight across the board, and therefore are a wash in the old "what caliber is best debate".

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Doc
 
Doc_Savage said:
So, let me get this straight... Advancements in bullet design only apply to the 9mm, hmm? Don't think so. Any advantage that a .40 has over a 9mm will still remain. Better use a different argument. I read that same BS all the time. Bullet advancements generally apply straight across the board, and therefore are a wash in the old "what caliber is best debate".

Next.....

Doc
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The .40 S&W was developed at a time when 9 mm JHP loads demonstrated insufficient penetration and poor intermediate barrier capability.
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https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?4337-Service-Caliber-Handgun-Duty-and-Self-Defense-Ammo
 
God the wound path on the .357, .40, and .45 are monsterous compared to the 9mil. I mean the pen looks very similar, but the wound path ... Jebuss.


Also I need to shoot up my personal defense carry ammo, and get better ammo..lol I still have 2 boxes of Hydroshocks...
 
bigghoss said:
https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?4337-Service-Caliber-Handgun-Duty-and-Self-Defense-Ammo
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Without the same test being done "15 years ago" under the same conditions, with same firearms, and with the same type of casings and loads, (the bullet design being the variable) that the article references, then you have no basis for comparison. Sorry. Only speculation. The article is interesting, but I do not find it as an exhaustive study on the subject. And so the debate rages on.

Doc
 
This thread needs a snapping turtle.

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BeeKayNutCase said:
And a few weißwurst plus a large pile of currywurst.. if I die without going back to Germany I will be one unhappy dead camper..
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I hear you, we went to Germany a few years ago and it was awesome. We were mostly in eastern germany. Potsdam, dresden and east berlin
 
4.5" flap wheel works very well as a grinder - clamp the metal down solid and hold onto the grinder -- MUCH safer than holding onto the steel and clamping down the grinder...
 
Doc_Savage said:
Without the same test being done "15 years ago" under the same conditions, with same firearms, and with the same type of casings and loads, (the bullet design being the variable) that the article references, then you have no basis for comparison. Sorry. Only speculation. The article is interesting, but I do not find it as an exhaustive study on the subject. And so the debate rages on.

Doc
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I'm taking a guess with the timeframe (hence my use of the word "maybe") but the fact is .40 was developed when 9mm was considered to offer less than desired performance and now 9mm offers acceptable performance considering the limitation of the handgun.
 
spikebot587 said:
Oh man GSO, I love me some good german food

Just needs a bowl of red cabbage and it would be perfect
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BeeKayNutCase said:
And a few weißwurst plus a large pile of currywurst.. if I die without going back to Germany I will be one unhappy dead camper..
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spikebot587 said:
I hear you, we went to Germany a few years ago and it was awesome. We were mostly in eastern germany. Potsdam, dresden and east berlin
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My dad's great-grandfather emigrated from Germany (Prussia) back in the 1850's, and they stayed in a small mostly German town in Missouri an hour south of St. Louis. I was also stationed in Frankfurt from 1985 to 1988, and Stuttgart from 1992 to 1995....so I love German food and beer... ;)

Edit: And I have been known to put mayo on my pommes frites... Let's see how long it is before WW checks in to tell how he hates mayo....
 
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BeeKayNutCase said:
.... if I die without going back to Germany I will be one unhappy dead camper..
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You are one funny SOB. I'd send you off to the quote thread, but imma hope Terrio shows his mug soon and does it hisself.

Funny thing is, my mom was born in Germany, but I don't remember having "German" food growing up....probably because they emigrated sometime around 1940 and it was a really good time to forget anything about one's German heritage. NOT the time to be speaking German and breaking out the wursts & spaetzle....
 
So on the Debate of the .40 Cal. What I have been reading says it was developed for the FBI to closely mimic the balistic performance of the FBI special .38 +p ammo that had been used in their standard issue revolver. They wanted Semi autos, with comperable penetration and ballistics. " While possessing nearly identical accuracy, drift and drop, it has an energy advantage over the 9×19mm Parabellum, and with a more manageable recoil than the 10 mm Auto cartridge. Marshall & Sanow (and other hydrostatic shock proponents) contend that with good JHP bullets, the more energetic loads for the .40 S&W can also create hydrostatic shock in human-sized living targets." (From the Wiki on the development of the .40 cal cartridge.)
 
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