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granitestateofmind said:
You are one funny SOB. I'd send you off to the quote thread, but imma hope Terrio shows his mug soon and does it hisself.

Funny thing is, my mom was born in Germany, but I don't remember having "German" food growing up....probably because they emigrated sometime around 1940 and it was a really good time to forget anything about one's German heritage. NOT the time to be speaking German and breaking out the wursts & spaetzle....
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BeeKay is quite entertaining at times!

I was doing some genealogy research a number of years back and got some copies of church records from the small church that my dad's family attended. All of the records were in German until the late 1930's, when they decided it would be best to switch to English.
 
bigghoss said:
I'm taking a guess with the timeframe (hence my use of the word "maybe") but the fact is .40 was developed when 9mm was considered to offer less than desired performance and now 9mm offers acceptable performance considering the limitation of the handgun.
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I understand. Not trying to bust on you personally, and I hope you aren't taking it as such. I have just read so much on the caliber debate, it just amazes me when some folks credit the advances in bullet technology as making the 9mm leap to equivalence with everything else. Certainly those same advances offer benefits to the other calibers as well.

I also think that other comments sometimes brought up in the great "which is better" debate, like shot placement, magazine capacity, faster recoil recovery, less fatigue from heavy shooting, etc are all true and have merit, and are surely important, but they are not germane to the debate. They are reasons to select the caliber, and perhaps offer a better alternatives to self defense, battle, or target/competition shooting choices, but they have no influence on the actual performance of the cartridge itself. Hell, the choice of the gun has a great influence on the cartridge performance, and one cartridge may perform better than another in similar gun setups, but it still doesn't answer the debate on which cartridge is better.

I love talking/debating the merits of each of the cartridges. Perhaps there will never be an answer. I have and shoot the big 3... 9mm, .40, and the .45. I like them all. And they're all fun to shoot. When I conceal carry, it's a Glock 27 (.40 cal). For me, it's right between the other two in that it has some of the advantages of both the other two. But that's just me. There are good points for and against them all.

I say shoot what you like, and shoot it (them) as often as you can. Carry what you can shoot the best. I'd love to have this discussion in person. I enjoy guns and gun related topics very much, as most here do. I do hate typing on this damn phone with my fat fingers though.

Doc
 
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cbwoods67 said:
And a concrete goose.

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Ride that bad boy.
 
The best caliber is the one YOU can put the fastest accurate rounds on target. Not much more to it than that. Shoot what you are the best with. It's different for everybody.

Edit: looks like Doc sort of beat me to that answer. Sucks typing on phone.
 
Guyon said:
Ride that bad boy.
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Do you remember how large I am? :D

Two things could happen.

I would break the goose and bust my ass, or we would both come through it unscathed and remain scarred for life, and I don't have the heart to inflict that sort of damage on a poor, helpless goose.
 
Tankerwolf said:
The best caliber is the one YOU can put the fastest accurate rounds on target. Not much more to it than that. Shoot what you are the best with. It's different for everybody.

Edit: looks like Doc sort of beat me to that answer. Sucks typing on phone.
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i can group pretty darn well out to 50 yds with an average 22 lr iron sights off hand. a one liter nalgene bottle holds about 1000 rounds in a secure and waterproof fashion. great for survival. 22 lr will kill any game animal of typical interest in a survival scenario.

now, if you step up to a longer betterer rifle with optics, 22 lr will print at 1 inch group all day long at 100 yds. "minute of eyeball". redrider got nothing on that for taking out your eye :D pretty good for zombies. suppresses well too.

PERSONALLY, i'm after a CMR-30, 22 magnum :D it's a pretty cute package. $600 ish list, but sells at $1200-2000 due to greed. bastids :D
 
Doc_Savage said:
I understand. Not trying to bust on you personally, and I hope you aren't taking it as such. I have just read so much on the caliber debate, it just amazes me when some folks credit the advances in bullet technology as making the 9mm leap to equivalence with everything else. Certainly those same advances offer benefits to the other calibers as well.

I also think that other comments sometimes brought up in the great "which is better" debate, like shot placement, magazine capacity, faster recoil recovery, less fatigue from heavy shooting, etc are all true and have merit, and are surely important, but they are not germane to the debate. They are reasons to select the caliber, and perhaps offer a better alternatives to self defense, battle, or target/competition shooting choices, but they have no influence on the actual performance of the cartridge itself. Hell, the choice of the gun has a great influence on the cartridge performance, and one cartridge may perform better than another in similar gun setups, but it still doesn't answer the debate on which cartridge is better.

I love talking/debating the merits of each of the cartridges. Perhaps there will never be an answer. I have and shoot the big 3... 9mm, .40, and the .45. I like them all. And they're all fun to shoot. When I conceal carry, it's a Glock 27 (.40 cal). For me, it's right between the other two in that it has some of the advantages of both the other two. But that's just me. There are good points for and against them all.

I say shoot what you like, and shoot it (them) as often as you can. Carry what you can shoot the best. I'd love to have this discussion in person. I enjoy guns and gun related topics very much, as most here do. I do hate typing on this damn phone with my fat fingers though.

Doc
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Of course the advancements in bullet design and construction were applied across the board and all have improved. I'm not saying 9mm is the best, just that it's almost as good and the difference is not drastic. When it comes to bullet improvements over time it's important to remember that just because one cartridge saw a X% improvement in this or that area of performance that doesn't mean every cartridge saw the same level improvement. Then again there's nothing to say they didn't. Each cartridge has it's own characteristics and will benefit from different advancements and that's not even considering platform they're being fired from. The following statement purely is speculation on my part but I would imagine that while .40 and .45 have improved they might not have improved as much as 9mm and the performance gap has decreased.

As has been mentioned, the actual caliber is probably the lease important factor in the equation. I choose the 9mm after considering all of the factors that have been mentioned; magazine capacity, ability to place shots on target, cost of ammo, available platforms and so on. Although since I now live in a state that limits magazines to 15 rounds I would probably look at .40 a lot harder if I were just getting into pistol shooting (I have larger mags for my 9mm's that were grandfathered in). If I have to give up two rounds I might as well gain whatever I can in performance. And if I were limited to 10 I would probably choose .45.
 
Im pretty sure .17 hmr is the deadliest most bestest caliper round in all of history.

G.I. Joe is my cousin. I know my truths.
 
cbwoods67 said:
Do you remember how large I am? :D

Two things could happen.

I would break the goose and bust my ass, or we would both come through it unscathed and remain scarred for life, and I don't have the heart to inflict that sort of damage on a poor, helpless goose.
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C'mon, man. Step up your game! :p

Psyop said:


A wild rearing pig that I lassoed with a braided leather whip and rode till he was tired.
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spikebot587 said:
I saw a wranglerstar video where he expressed the same sentiment
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smart guy.

i've been doing that with a belt sander for a while now to shape axe handles/etc, and it's changed my life :D
 
spikebot587 said:
I hear you, we went to Germany a few years ago and it was awesome. We were mostly in eastern germany. Potsdam, dresden and east berlin
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Speaking of Germany.....I heard German pistols shoot better than American pistols. :D


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Tdhurl1103 said:
Speaking of Germany.....I heard German pistols shoot better than American pistols. :D
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that's mostly true where the american guns are copies of the german originals :D

innovation though, like ... Savage...

the germans copy them ;)
 
Tdhurl1103 said:
The next Bladite GAW. Guess the number of used toothpicks in this jar. :D
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i'll note that: we bot a BK9 and BK5 as my kitchen knives :D also a Johnson chopper. good stuff.

plus... other weird things.

holds a lot of knives.

bamboo skewers, about a million :> $10. glass jar free. free form knife block? priceless. i have a few :D
 
BeeKayNutCase said:
All of them? Octopus Pokemons special move is 'Recycle'.
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yeah, no. thems my users.

even if you COULD guess, how many, what kind, etc... i'd laugh :D not that you can.

was just outside, 1:37 am, bit of moon, nice country air, chopping with my bonecutter knukri.

gotta say, this is one of the best knives i have *ever* used. period.

it was flick chopping 1+ inch seasoned maple with ease. 2 to 3 inch stuff was a few chops.

i laugh when i see someone on a tv show, even with an axe, spending a minute chopping a 3 inch branch :D
 
Really looking forward to this weekend. Gonna do 24 hours with the Machax. Haven't been camping in probably two years so screw it I'll just go by myself. I imagine trying to start a bowdrill fire with the BK4 is going to be pretty tricky but I'll give it a shot.
 
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