How public are you with your knives?

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pinnah said:
I'm a knife nut too and have the same reaction to people carrying a fixed blade for EDC.

Openly carried fixed blades makes sense to me on a job site, work context, or when hunting or fishing. But other than that, even when hiking or camping, they strike me as an unnecessary and juvenile display - chip on the shoulder as if trolling people to see if they're brave enough to say something about it.

Knives are weapons and everybody knows this. Even knife nuts know this. Especially knife nuts should understand this.
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It makes me chuckle when someone states their opinion as if it's "written in stone fact" But the sad part is they don't even realize it. But that's just my opinion [emoji848]


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QuarantinedDuck said:
Thank you for correcting me on my misinformation on knife laws, but have you not heard about the recent law that banned all semiautomatic rifles in Mass?

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Semi-automatic rifles are legal in MA. Certain semi-autos that are classified as assult weapons are banned and the AG recently clarified and closed some loopholes associated with the assult weapon ban.

http://www.mass.gov/ago/public-safety/awbe.html

As an engineer/scientist who has supported the military at various point in my career, I take it as a grave insult to deny the reality that some guns should be classified as assult weapons. We engineers are a proud lot and a lot of good engineering has gone into assult weapons, which is why they are more deadly and effective in urban tactical situations.

This has nothing to do with a semi-auto deer gun.
 
I live in a total liberal state (CA) but it's legal to open carry any size fixed blade and any size folder as long as it's concealed. At least in my county. I don't usually carry a fixed blade unless I'm going hiking/camping just because it's a pain to open carry. I carry large folders and most people don't seem to have an issue.
I never understand people viewing a knife as a weapon solely since most kitchen knives are much larger than my folders and that seems to be a nonissue. Everyone has an opinion so I just carry what I like and don't worry about being politically correct with the libs. They will complain about anything. It's just noise now.
 
pinnah said:
Semi-automatic rifles are legal in MA. Certain semi-autos that are classified as assult weapons are banned and the AG recently clarified and closed some loopholes associated with the assult weapon ban.

http://www.mass.gov/ago/public-safety/awbe.html

As an engineer/scientist who has supported the military at various point in my career, I take it as a grave insult to deny the reality that some guns should be classified as assult weapons. We engineers are a proud lot and a lot of good engineering has gone into assult weapons, which is why they are more deadly and effective in urban tactical situations.

This has nothing to do with a semi-auto deer gun.
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Actually it does as some people hunt with their so called "assault rifle". You may not like it, but they do. You may not think it is necessary, but they do it. I may not care for the practice on deer hunting, but people do it all over the country. Certain accurate "assault rifles" make very good varmint guns, especially for feral hogs. They breed like rabbits. Certain "assault rifles" would be one of my top choices for hog hunting and extermination along with a handgun for close quarter shooting.

It is only one step when MA outlaws all semi-auto centerfire rifles. All you need is some idiot shooting a bunch of people in Boston.
 
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pinnah said:
Semi-automatic rifles are legal in MA. Certain semi-autos that are classified as assult weapons are banned and the AG recently clarified and closed some loopholes associated with the assult weapon ban.

http://www.mass.gov/ago/public-safety/awbe.html

As an engineer/scientist who has supported the military at various point in my career, I take it as a grave insult to deny the reality that some guns should be classified as assult weapons. We engineers are a proud lot and a lot of good engineering has gone into assult weapons, which is why they are more deadly and effective in urban tactical situations.

This has nothing to do with a semi-auto deer gun.
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So, now you speak for all engineers? Sorry, engineer/scientist... And you are correct, our founding fathers absolutely did not write the 2nd amendment about deer hunting.


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AusLoX said:
I live in a total liberal state (CA) but it's legal to open carry any size fixed blade and any size folder as long as it's concealed. At least in my county. I don't usually carry a fixed blade unless I'm going hiking/camping just because it's a pain to open carry. I carry large folders and most people don't seem to have an issue.
I never understand people viewing a knife as a weapon solely since most kitchen knives are much larger than my folders and that seems to be a nonissue. Everyone has an opinion so I just carry what I like and don't worry about being politically correct with the libs. They will complain about anything. It's just noise now.
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If you carry a large knife in public I doubt it matters if it's a folder or a kitchen knife. Both could be perceived as more dangerous than no knife. If anything, the kitchen knife would look more out of place on somebody's hip.

If you cut a turkey in your home with a folder or a kitchen knife both would be perfectly fine. Here the folder would look a bit odd and maybe start some cool conversation with your guests.

Location location location :-)
 
Just remember this is NOT the political forum. Getting into a heated discussion about gun laws is not something that belongs in "General".
 
This.^
I actually stopped showing my knives even to my knut friends. Peeps are too weird today.
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A knife is clipped to my pocket almost 100% of the time.
The clip is visible.

"Knife people" have commented, but no one else ever has.
The knife comes out when needed and gets used, cleaned, and put away.
No one has ever commented on that either.
Maybe it's because I don't make a big show of it, maybe because of where I live, maybe because my gun prints and diverts attention from the knife.
Who knows?

Not a political question, but what makes a semi-auto "assault rifle" more deadly than a semi-auto hunting rifle of the same caliber?
To me, that's like saying a Balisong Butterfly knife can inflict more damage than a Sebenza...
 
pinnah said:
Knives are weapons and everybody knows this. Even knife nuts know this. Especially knife nuts should understand this.
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I didn’t know. Maybe it’s because I’m still just a knives hobbyist and not a nut yet :D ? In my part of the World, knives are still cutting tools :); even our legislation defines them as such. Some articles of our legislation regulate the use of knives and other tools as “improper weapons”. Some knives are instead clearly defined, even by legislation, as “weapons”, such as daggers, bayonets, etc., both from an “engineering” perspective (the design, shape, ergonomics, etc. aim at creating bladed weapons excelling in just that one thing) and due to historical reasons.

The fact that all knives can easily be used as “improper weapons”, the fact that lately terrorists make use of those in random attacks on our own land or for the deliberate slaughtering they broadcast on the web and the media hype around these news, are things, I believe, we shouldn’t ignore – as knives enthusiasts - when using our knives in public. People, not necessarily “sheeple”, are really on their toes, at least here :(. I am not ashamed to admit I am one of them and really I don’t think I’d fit in the “sheeple” stereotype, as I have learned the meaning of the term.

True it’s not only knives. Many other tools can be used as is as “improper weapons”, trucks, cars, rods, fire extinguishers, pickaxes, chainsaws, baseball bats, etc. so, as for my knives, it doesn’t cost me so much being considered of others and empathic when I use all of them. I don't have to prove anything to anyone in this respect and my teens years are far behind :).
 
Just to add my unnecessary 02 cents here... I carry always at least one knife but most of the times several, folders, fixed, whatever I think I need. I never display any of them, regardless of public, law, local or national restrictions. Just to be clear, in EU we have no open / conceal carry distinction. Carrying is carrying. So my take on it is "Stay concealed and live happy by your rules". End of rant.
 
Out and about in SoCal the clip is all you see and the only folks that ask are like minded most regulars have no clue what is on the end of the clip. On the other hand I live on a farm/dirt road in a rural area and most times here I carry a Mora in plain sight, I also subscribe to "rule number 9".
 
22-rimfire said:
Interesting that you refer to the EU versus France or Italy.
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I can't imagine there is so much difference... However, and if you're interested, as I speak from France, I can tell that NO private person is allowed to carry ANY cutting/bludgeoning/stabbing object of any kind in any public circumstances. The law leaves it open to the LEOs to assess any offensive intention from the bearer. As far as I'm concerned, this is as cool as it gets. Is Italy that much cooler ?
 
herisson said:
I can't imagine there is so much difference... However, and if you're interested, as I speak from France, I can tell that NO private person is allowed to carry ANY cutting/bludgeoning/stabbing object of any kind in any public circumstances. The law leaves it open to the LEOs to assess any offensive intention from the bearer. As far as I'm concerned, this is as cool as it gets. Is Italy that much cooler ?
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What is "public" in France? Is it only public events or does it include everyday life in the cities.

In Germany you can carry but not at public events.
 
22-rimfire said:
Actually it does as some people hunt with their so called "assault rifle". You may not like it, but they do. You may not think it is necessary, but they do it. I may not care for the practice on deer hunting, but people do it all over the country. Certain accurate "assault rifles" make very good varmint guns, especially for feral hogs. They breed like rabbits. Certain "assault rifles" would be one of my top choices for hog hunting and extermination along with a handgun for close quarter shooting.

It is only one step when MA outlaws all semi-auto centerfire rifles. All you need is some idiot shooting a bunch of people in Boston.
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22RF,

I really like the hog hunting example.

Cutting to the chase, I advocate that high capacity magazines for semi-auto rifles and pistols be placed in the same Federally regulated category as explosives and machine guns and by the same reasoning, I'm fine with local municipalities and states regulating knife blade lengths. I'll explain.

I actually think it would be a blast, literally, to hunt/exterminate hogs with a full-auto machine gun. I mean, seriously. That would be fun, right?

We can't do that because society balances my desire to blow away hogs with a machine gun against the desires of bad guys to blow away innocent people with machine guns.

People on both side of the gun (and knife) regulation debate agree on this. Guns don't kill people. People do. But this is not the full and complete story here.

As one criminologist I read noted, gun regulations don't stop the number of violent crimes. But they do limit the lethality of those violent crimes. The same is true for regulations on explosives and knives.

You and I could both legally own explosives like land mines and RPGs and machine guns. But to do so, we would have to qualify for and be granted very difficult to achieve and maintain Federal licenses. As fun as it would be to blast hogs with a machine gun, we both accept this strict regulation of machine guns as a reasonable response to public safety and crime concerns.

The Federal regulation of fully automatic weapons and explosives also destroys (IMO) the argument that if you regulate guns, only bad guys will have guns. As a rule, bad guys don't use machine guns or explosives because a) they are less available because they are so tightly regulated and b) the penalties for having or using them are so high (as they should be). That is, Federal regulation of this class of weapon appears to effectively limit or hugely reduce the ability of bad guys to have ready and easy access to them.

I would have (almost) zero problem with somebody hunting for deer with a semi-auto AR-15 just so long as high capacity magazines were regulated in the same class as machine guns and explosives (essentially banned). IMO, there is no justification for high capacity magazines other than killing humans more effectively. That's what military-oriented engineers designed them for, after all. And like hunting hogs with machine guns, any justification for high capacity mags like hunting hogs or not needing to reload as often at the range or whatever, don't pass the credibility test when weighed against the massive tactical advantage they give to bad guys intent on killing large numbers of people quickly.

The same basic principle applies to knives, imo. Chuck Buck relayed a story in an interview about how the Buck 112 Ranger came to be. The USS Ranger was in port and drunken sailors got in to fight and a sailor was badly hurt after being stabbed with a Buck 110. The CO issued a ship ban on all knives with blades longer than 3" and in response, Buck made the 112, naming it the Ranger.

I regularly carry a Buck 110 in my right rear pocket. The city of Boston has a local ordinance limiting blades to 3". There's a good argument to be made that knives with blades above 3" are more lethal due their increased ability to penetrate to vital organs. This ordinance doesn't stop knife related crime, but I accept that it helps make knife related crime less deadly. Any BPD officer worth their salt can easily recognize the tell-tale imprint of my rear pocket carry. I just swap my 110 (or Opinel) for a 112 and 500 when traveling to Boston. (Usually) The ordinance isn't unreasonable and doesn't impose an undue restriction on civilians like me. Neither would a Federal ban on high capacity magazines.
 
Jens Schuetz said:
What is "public" in France? Is it only public events or does it include everyday life in the cities.

In Germany you can carry but not at public events.
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In France, the term "Public" refers very clearly to public spaces (and this is anywhere out of your house and garden...). So, yes, no carrying on the street, subway, mall... whatever. Imagine with the current terrorist paranoïa. Forget even a SAK in some places or circumstances...
 
Herlock said:
I didn’t know. Maybe it’s because I’m still just a knives hobbyist and not a nut yet :D ? In my part of the World, knives are still cutting tools :); even our legislation defines them as such. Some articles of our legislation regulate the use of knives and other tools as “improper weapons”. Some knives are instead clearly defined, even by legislation, as “weapons”, such as daggers, bayonets, etc., both from an “engineering” perspective (the design, shape, ergonomics, etc. aim at creating bladed weapons excelling in just that one thing) and due to historical reasons.

The fact that all knives can easily be used as “improper weapons”, the fact that lately terrorists make use of those in random attacks on our own land or for the deliberate slaughtering they broadcast on the web and the media hype around these news, are things, I believe, we shouldn’t ignore – as knives enthusiasts - when using our knives in public. People, not necessarily “sheeple”, are really on their toes, at least here :(. I am not ashamed to admit I am one of them and really I don’t think I’d fit in the “sheeple” stereotype, as I have learned the meaning of the term.

True it’s not only knives. Many other tools can be used as is as “improper weapons”, trucks, cars, rods, fire extinguishers, pickaxes, chainsaws, baseball bats, etc. so, as for my knives, it doesn’t cost me so much being considered of others and empathic when I use all of them. I don't have to prove anything to anyone in this respect and my teens years are far behind :).
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We are close to seeing things the same.

In the US, Federal crime statistics regularly show that knives, as a category, are the second most common (classified) weapon used in violent crimes. They are used 3 times as often as blunt objects and 5 times as often as rifles.
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u....able_8_murder_victims_by_weapon_2009-2013.xls

People have good reason to view knives, as a category, as a weapon as defined informally and every right to recognize some knives as weapons, as defined formally and under special regulation, due to their design and history.

If we want to define a class of knives that are comparable in lethality to blunt objects and fists then a) we don't have access to those stats in the US FBI crime stats published (they classify all knives as the same) and b) I'll suggest a 3" blade length as a reasonable boundary. Note, I say this as a person who has a knife with a blade longer than 3" on him at nearly all times.

When I pull out my Buck 110, I recognize and accept that I'm holding a potentially lethal weapon and one that has a long history with both our armed forces and biker gangs. Plenty of people have been killed or badly injured with a Buck 110.

By accepting that the fact that the 110 is a weapon, I modulate where and how I use it and accept the local jurisdictions may restrict my ability to carry and use it.
 
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