How public are you with your knives?

[pinnah]

Where I have carried un-concealed (urban), it was an obvious attempt to demonstrate to some jerk which criminal intent to stay the hell away from me. But I would also have a concealed gun with me as well. I would probably choose the same sort of thing with knives. For example, Charlie Mike's choice of a larger fixed blade for un-concealed carry for me is an obvious attempt to tell people (criminals or would be criminals) to stay the hell away. I doubt he cleans his finger nails with the larger fixed blade.

I understand this reasoning but I don't think we have good statistics on this either way.

The counter-argument is that open carry of weapons (guns or knives) has a tendency to aggravate and accelerate situations that could become violent. That is, bad guys can also see an openly carried weapon as a challenge or provocation.

This is the reasoning I've heard repeatedly as to why more states allow concealed carry than those who allow open carry. I prefer concealed carry but again, we don't have stats to back up either side on this.

I will add that as a cyclist and one who's ridden coast-coast, I feel more vulnerable to bad guys when I'm on a bike than at any other time. It's difficult to maintain good situational awareness and you're often in places where you are out of reach of any help. I've lived in "dangerous" urban settings and by far, feel more threatened in quasi-rural areas that are relatively near large urban centers. A public park in an outer edge suburb near Detroit or Chicago or Boston is a prime place to get into trouble as you're likely to encounter young thugs who want to demonstrate they are as tough as the real thugs in the big city, only they can do so in the relatively secluded and unprotectable remote places.

 

[Charlie Mike]

Then again, as large as the knife is (12"), I only allow enough to show so that it isn't concealed.

 

[stabman]

This kind of thinking is exactly why we have the immoral agendas we have in todays "merica". Equal rights for gays ect.. So people like you are so worried about everyones "feelings" rather than stand up for what is right.

Wow .

Wow indeed.
I could say other, more colorful words than "wow" as well...

 

[22-rimfire]

I understand Charlie Mike. I know you think I sometimes single you out to pick on, but I don't. A few have hammered me repeatedly when I reference something you might have said as an example of what I'm trying to make a point about versus you specifically.

Pinnah, I know there are at least two sides to the open carry argument.

 

[stabman]

What this thread needs is more toad...

From last night, at the side of the gym building, which is attached to a mall...so a public space.

 

[Charlie Mike]

I understand Charlie Mike. I know you think I sometimes single you out to pick on, but I don't. A few have hammered me repeatedly when I reference something you might have said as an example of what I'm trying to make a point about versus you specifically.

Pinnah, I know there are at least two sides to the open carry argument.

LOL, don't sweat it! Sometimes, I'm actually a good example!

 

[22-rimfire]

More toad please!

 

[Charlie Mike]

Lick the toad. Make sure he's scared first. I heard it's quite a trip!

 

[stabman]

More toad please!

Always on the lookout for more toads.

Lick the toad. Make sure he's scared first. I heard it's quite a trip!

He seemed more annoyed than scared.
They were also using a particular type of toad during the "licking" craze, and it turned out that you actually were supposed to put the poison on something else like blotting paper or whatever.

Wikipedia says:

"To obtain the psychoactive substances the toxin of psychoactive toads is commonly milked from the toad's poison glands. The milking procedure does not harm the toad — it consists of stroking the animal under its chin to initiate the defensive poison response.[2] Once the liquid toxin has been collected and dried, it can be used for its psychedelic effects. The toad takes about a month to refill its poison glands following the milking procedure, during which time the toad will not produce poison. Some vendors sell dried toad skins, even though it is possible to harvest the poison without harming the toad. The poison is often used for recreational purposes."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychoactive_toad

 

[`br4dz-]

Again I disagree. From my vantage point it appears you're insisting we "knife people" should censor our actions in public to avoid offending or scaring people who disapprove of our possession and/or use of knives. That would be in post #166. You made derogatory remarks about those contributing to this page because you don't approve of their use of the word "sheeple" or their comments about the people they've described with that word. Sounds like you're asking for censorship not only of our actions but also our words, because they either offend you or someone else. The irony (hypocrisy?) is that you've chosen to ask for this censorship in an offensive way, and in a forum where I suspect most members are pro-freedom and will respect your attempt to voice your opinion, even though the majority of us probably disagree with you whole-heartedly. You've probably even offended some of us.

If you want to make it about common courtesy and situational understanding, again there's a lot of hypocrisy here. You're in a knife forum telling people they should not use their knives in public, and doing so rather rudely (post #166, 171).

Situational understanding goes both ways. If I use my pocket knife in public to open a package or something and someone gets scared, they're lacking situational awareness and understanding that knives are tools first, and only become weapons when used as weapons, just like the hammers and axes you referenced in your previous post.

I think with more exposure to knives being used correctly, we can start to break down those fears. If the sheeple only see knives in movies, video games, and television shows where they're used exclusively as weapons, then their irrational fears are going to get worse and will lead us down a path that many other countries have already gone down. It ends with our everyday tools becoming illegal and our rights being chipped away.

Using the right tool for the job is not something I should be ashamed of. Using a legal knife in a legal manner in public is not something I should have to censor.

Using the word "sheeple" to describe people who adhere to a herd mentality and are easily spooked and often incapable of defending themselves is not something I need to apologize for, even if they are easily offended too. We're all entitled to our opinions, just like you.

Besides, I like that word. I think it's funny. There's nothing wrong with using it and I don't feel baaaaaaad about it.

You have blown everything I said way out of proportion. I NEVER asked for censorship, show me where I did? Please, I beg you. You're free to do as you please, as is everyone else, but it's this utterly moronic sense of entitlement that we can do whatever the hell we feel like because we don't give a damn that stirs me the wrong way. That goes for FAR more than just knives. Be respectful of your surroundings, if you can't, then you and everyone else deserves the "sheeple" mentality that you love to go back to. If you're out on a trail and whip out a knife to open up a package of food or the likes, that's one thing, but if you do the same on a crowded street, you will get looks, especially since the majority of people that don't care what others think carry the biggest most ungainly knives they can for shits and giggles, because, well, they can. The only defense you can come back with is that it's legal, so why shouldn't you do it. 100% completely the wrong attitude, and I repeat from previous posts, THIS IS WHY PEOPLE ARE AFRAID OF KNIVES...."because I can". You're calling me the hypocrite, yet I can full heartily guarantee that you've raised eyebrows at someones decision to do something in public, but they did it "because they can", does that make you a sheeple then? Think outside of your box.

This kind of thinking is exactly why we have the immoral agendas we have in todays "merica". Equal rights for gays ect.. So people like you are so worried about everyones "feelings" rather than stand up for what is right.

One first has to define what "civil" means and how what context you use it in. Personally a lot of stuff people consider civil or "social order " used to be an out right attack on our freedoms and what "merica" is all about.

So equal rights for gays is immoral and not right? Not only did you just make a discussion about knives go political, but that's an absolutely disgusting statement. You just demonized and belittled a rather large portion of the human population, and I do not even want to know what other ignorant ideals you have, yet you don't want your knives to be demonized? Knife rights do need to be defended and there is no way in hell I'd give up my right to carry a knife, or any other rights, but on the flip-side, how people react when if I whip out my knife is something that MUST be put into consideration. I fully defend my right to carry and use my knife, but I will equally defend people that disagree with your decision to use a knife when it isn't necessary.

 

[b yond]

One of the things that makes America great is our tolerance for people with opposing viewpoints. We don't have to agree.

What really concerns me is the growing percentage of people who want to regulate away behavior they don't agree with. I'm a big fan of live and let live.

Carry the knife you want to, or don't. Use it in public or don't. As long as you're not actually breaking any laws with it, I don't see the harm.

Today I'm carrying a custom shop Buck 110 and a small Buck toothpick. I'm at work in an office setting today. I will probably end up using the 110 in view of my coworkers. I don't think anyone will care.

 

[Jesse B.]

Always on the lookout for more toads.



He seemed more annoyed than scared.
They were also using a particular type of toad during the "licking" craze, and it turned out that you actually were supposed to put the poison on something else like blotting paper or whatever.

Wikipedia says:

"To obtain the psychoactive substances the toxin of psychoactive toads is commonly milked from the toad's poison glands. The milking procedure does not harm the toad — it consists of stroking the animal under its chin to initiate the defensive poison response.[2] Once the liquid toxin has been collected and dried, it can be used for its psychedelic effects. The toad takes about a month to refill its poison glands following the milking procedure, during which time the toad will not produce poison. Some vendors sell dried toad skins, even though it is possible to harvest the poison without harming the toad. The poison is often used for recreational purposes."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychoactive_toad

 

[Ulf Krogstad]

More toad please!

As to this threads ?, rarely take a knife out in public, unless it's necessary and sometimes not even then. Never know who's gonna freak out and call the cops over something as little as using a knife and fabricate a story to make you wind up in back of a squad car. Rarely see anyone with a knife in public/work, and if they do its boxcutter/multitool.

Edit to add do carry a Leatherman charge daily in belt pouch and folder if feel the need, just try to keep peoplez eyes averted from them while using, just cause paranoid some may react poorly to them, for what reason idk. Knife laws are lenient in MN as far as I know.

 

[pinnah]

Pinnah, I know there are at least two sides to the open carry argument.

Right. And this sits at the center of the different views of when and how to use knives in public.

 

[craytab]

With all that said, I'm going to Oaks Park in Portland, Oregon tomorrow and intend to take my Benchmade Griptillian and Victorinox Super Tinker. I have a deep pocket carry clip from BM on the Griptillian. I plan on dropping the Griptillian deep in my pocket at the front gate and if anyone says anything, I take it back to my car. Once I get in, I'll let the deep pocket clip ride and don't anticipate anyone to even notice. Most people don't even realize what a pocket clip means if they can't see the handle to go along with it

Still trying to skirt the rules I see. Do your parents know what you are up to? I'd think they would be quite upset considering the whole stabbing your sister incident.

 

[k_ozdragon]

Then again, as large as the knife is (12"), I only allow enough to show so that it isn't concealed.

CM, in California that is still considered concealed. This is what my lawyer and police have told me, "The law states 'carried openly' which means not concealed. It doesn't state '20% concealed' or etc; it says open. Thus if any portion is covered, it is concealed." I'm very familiar with the law, I work at a knife shop, but also was arrested for an "illegal knife" that was totally legal. My lawyer got me off, but during that time I became intimately familiar with the law.

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[Charlie Mike]

CM, in California that is still considered concealed. This is what my lawyer and police have told me, "The law states 'carried openly' which means not concealed. It doesn't state '20% concealed' or etc; it says open. Thus if any portion is covered, it is concealed." I'm very familiar with the law, I work at a knife shop, but also was arrested for an "illegal knife" that was totally legal. My lawyer got me off, but during that time I became intimately familiar with the law.

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I've been told by several officers that this is legal. Thnks.

 

[k_ozdragon]

I've been told by several officers that this is legal. Thnks.

You're in riverside right? They're way more lenient than Orange County then. I've had several customers get either warned or their knives confiscated by police for partial concealment.

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[Charlie Mike]

You're in riverside right? They're way more lenient than Orange County then. I've had several customers get either warned or their knives confiscated by police for partial concealment.

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Fresno.

 

[Jens Schuetz]

CM, in California that is still considered concealed. This is what my lawyer and police have told me, "The law states 'carried openly' which means not concealed. It doesn't state '20% concealed' or etc; it says open. Thus if any portion is covered, it is concealed." I'm very familiar with the law, I work at a knife shop, but also was arrested for an "illegal knife" that was totally legal. My lawyer got me off, but during that time I became intimately familiar with the law.

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No sheaths then? If sheath counts as part of knife then some part of it is surely legal to conceal. The part which wraps around the belt ;-)
What about sheaths which could cover the whole knife including the handle? Legal or not?
Would the handle have to show to make it legal? Wouldn't that mean that just the handle showing would be enough?