How strong is the Liner lock for Spyderco Military?

cziv said:
Anyone with 1/2 a brain can see that the Military is not (among folders) a candidate for batoning except under the most dire circumstance and even then very, very carefully - not getting greedy on the size of pieces being split!! ;)



For toughness I'd consider that a downgrade, but not for versatility and EDC.
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You would consider a Military "tougher" than a BM Recon or a
BM 710? :confused:
 
5.56 said:
One could also say that if they are complaining about tip strength, they are not using the knife for it's intended purpose and that they probably shouldn't be using a knife at all.
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Sometimes you are put in situations where you might not have time to make
a perfect cut(Military, get it? ). Not everyone can contemplate a perfect
cut. You don't live in reality(maybe suburban reality). :yawn:
 
yerscattergun said:
You would consider a Military "tougher" than a BM Recon or a
BM 710? :confused:
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Sorry for any misunderstanding but I've owned all of these and I mean that despite the BM 710's blade length, axis lock and beautiful lines it would be a downgrade - I consider the Recon 1 to be a much stronger or a "hard use" knife. :)

TRY THIS WITH A bm 710 OR A mILITARY FOR THAT MATTER http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRccv62UqUg (DMAN CAPS LOCKS! )
 
knifenut1013 said:
IMO its the gold standard of liner locks, its a refined design and leaves no doubt that its going to hold up. Just get one now AFAIK there is no ETA for the millie two.

If theres one thing besides cutting that the military is known for it is its lock.
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not really teh gold standard for liner locks, that prize goes to the CS Ti-lite i believe. either way, you shouldnt really need that strong of a lock for standard every day use. If your out to kill someone/something, go with a fixed blade.
 
eccvets said:
not really teh gold standard for liner locks, that prize goes to the CS Ti-lite i believe. either way, you shouldnt really need that strong of a lock for standard every day use. If your out to kill someone/something, go with a fixed blade.
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Why would you think the Ti-lite is the "teh" "gold standard" for liner locks? :confused:
 
Josh K said:
Most people who complain about tip strength haven't actually handled one.

If it was an issue there would be people complaining about it, right? Yet there aren't. :eek:
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Whether people are complaining or not, the fact remains that the tip is very thin. Thin tips will break sooner than thick tips no?

5.56 said:
One could also say that if they are complaining about tip strength, they are not using the knife for it's intended purpose and that they probably shouldn't be using a knife at all.
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Here we go again about intended purpose. The purpose of a knife is what you need it to do when you don't have anything else with you.

Hard cutting as Unit described hard cutting to be but not hard use.

I do EDC a military, but why can't we just admit that it's not a hard use folder because of the tip? :confused:

The lock is more than adequate for hard use though.
 
I used my Military a lot when I worked at my dad's horse ranch. I liked the size and weight, and the fact that I could easily open and close it with leather gloves on.

I didn't abuse it, but I used it hard and never had an issue with the lock. I honestly don't know how it would compare to other liner locks because most of my other liner lock knives are smaller and aren't used as hard as my Milie.

I like it so much that I was about to get another one last year, but decided to wait for the Ti version.

As for the tip, yes it's relatively weak. In fact mine bent a bit when I accidentaly hit a nail. I had to cut a trailing rein quickly before a scared horse got hurt. A few minutes with a sharpening stone fixed it. I love the accute point for precision work, so I'm happy with the compromise.
 
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singularity35 said:
Whether people are complaining or not, the fact remains that the tip is very thin. Thin tips will break sooner than thick tips no?
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I've never broken a tip on any knife. I suspect that I never will. In that sense, no, thin tips will break no sooner then thick ones. The thick ones just don't work as well.


singularity35 said:
Here we go again about intended purpose. The purpose of a knife is what you need it to do when you don't have anything else with you.

I do EDC a military, but why can't we just admit that it's not a hard use folder because of the tip? :confused:
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The purpose of a knife is not "what you need to do when you have nothing else" because it is a piss poor substitute for a great many things.

  1. Food
  2. Water
  3. Frying pan
  4. Screwdriver
  5. Hammer
  6. Spare tire
  7. Money
  8. Light source
 
Josh K said:
I've never broken a tip on any knife. I suspect that I never will. In that sense, no, thin tips will break no sooner then thick ones. The thick ones just don't work as well.
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Well, that argument works especially if you don't use your knives. ;)


Josh K said:
The purpose of a knife is not "what you need to do when you have nothing else" because it is a piss poor substitute for a great many things.

  1. Food-food prep, not food, saying otherwise seems retarded, no offense.
  2. Water-ditto
  3. Frying pan-ditto
  4. Screwdriver-if you really have to, it won't work as well but a thicker tip might work better.
  5. Hammer-Well, what can I say? splitting hairs maybe?
  6. Spare tire-ditto
  7. Money-ditto
  8. Light source-ditto
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You know exactly what I mean. ;)

You're just trying to pick apart my words because you know that defending a thin tip for hard use is well, indefensible. :D
 
the question is not on what but what for.

me it's cutting, scraping sometimes, opening a beer with handle quite often, prying never.

i've never understood why, if prying is so important in your life, people don't get something simple on their keys (you're supposed to have them on you everytime no?). i have a key ring snowboard made of steel on mine. if i have some light prying to do i use that with great succes and without fear of breaking a 100$+ knife. wich is pretty stupid imo.
 
Hi Singularity,

It appears as though you have a problem with the tip on the Military, even in a thread that is on the "lock" for the Military.

When our customers ask us to make the tip thicker on the Military, we will. No problem. Fat tips are easy, it's thin tips that are hard to make.

If you are planning to pry with your knife, I would suggest that you buy knives with fat tips. Believe it or not some of us actually prefer finer tips.

sal
 
Sal Glesser said:
Hi Singularity,

It appears as though you have a problem with the tip on the Military, even in a thread that is on the "lock" for the Military.

When our customers ask us to make the tip thicker on the Military, we will. No problem. Fat tips are easy, it's thin tips that are hard to make.

If you are planning to pry with your knife, I would suggest that you buy knives with fat tips. Believe it or not some of us actually prefer finer tips.

sal
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Hey Sal, thanks for chiming in. I actually don't have a problem with the military. I do have a problem when people say a thin tip is good to go for hard use. I do carry a a military but I'm just careful with it. :p

I do like thin knives for cutting. Just not for hard use. I carry my chinook 3 for that.

yerscattergun said:
I'd be more worried about the tip, on a knife called a "Military" it should be
much stronger. IMHO. :mad:
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Oh, and the OP did ask about tip strength. ;)

Sorry, not the OP, but somebody did ask.
 
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singularity35 said:
You actually don't need to. :p

So why make it your problem? :confused:

Look, this thread is not about the old cheesecutters vs. sharpened prybar debate. Apologies to the OP.
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i don't you're right.

my problem is you saying to someone who refuse using his knife as a pry bar that he doesn't use his knives. and you saying that a hard use knife should be pry resistant. this is nonsense to me.

hard CUTTING is hard use of a knife.

but you do whatever you want with yours, i just dont want to sacrifice cutting ability in a cutting tool.
 
I sounded like I hated everything about the Military, which I don't. If Spyderco
made it with a stronger tip and the option for tip up carry, I'd put it in
a top three category. The lock, for a liner lock, is great. When I had mine, I
never doubted the lock at all. I'd even live with a shorter blade if the tip
could be thicker. I generally don't pry with folders, but if it's all you have,
and you are in a bad situation, I'd like a folder to have a little more "meat"
in the tip area. Also, where I live, there are many, well, you know the types
that have their mean pit bulls. If I can't carry a handgun, and pepper spray
doesn't cut it, I'd like to know that my knife(or knives at it may be :)) won't
break the tip when thrusting into a large, vicious canine in repeated multiple
stabs(slashing won't work). Mr. Glesser, you are a classy guy to get on here
and defend your products(and explain why they are made a certain way).
I wish more manufacturers would have reps on forums...
 
to the OP, ive found that the millies liner lock is the best LL i have come across:thumbup:
 
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