How strong is the Liner lock for Spyderco Military?

[Rob_Angerer]

Most people who complain about tip strength haven't actually handled one.

If it was an issue there would be people complaining about it, right? Yet there aren't.

I handled it... used it... sold it. Kept numerous other Benchmade's for heavy users. The distal taper makes the tip too delicate for a knife named "Military". Granted, doing stupid things w/ folder blades is, well, stupid. But...

That, and the blade:handle ratio was too small. (i.e. the handle is too long for the size of the blade).

Plus, having a big hole in the blade is, at the margins, a bad idea from a stress riser standpoint (it creates a huge weak spot in the blade, at the margins). A thumbstud or disk is superior, gloved or bare handed.

There may be Spyderco knives with stouter design, and I wouldn't be aware of them since I don't really like blade holes as an opening method.

Prefer a Hinderer XM18 or an Umnumzaan... or even the AG Russel Acies. Or... numerous other customs.

Sometimes, negative opinions yield more useful results deserving of your consideration. If you don't agree, then cool... you thought through it and found the knife for you.

YMMV. YOMV.

 

[yerscattergun]

Does the new Para Military 2 have a thicker tip then the Military?
That sounds like a nice alternative...

 

[yerscattergun]

Just searched, the tip looks thin like the Mili...

 

[singularity35]

... no, thin tips will break no sooner then thick ones.

This just defies any kind of logical thought.

i don't you're right.

Huh?

my problem is you saying to someone who refuse using his knife as a pry bar that he doesn't use his knives. and you saying that a hard use knife should be pry resistant. this is nonsense to me.

I am not saying that he does not use his knife because he doesn't he doesn't use it as a pry bar. If you read my post well, I am saying that he probably doesn't use his knife at all. To which he replied that he does in fact, use them.

Again what problem is this to you?

hard CUTTING is hard use of a knife.

Just because you say so does not make it true for all people.

... i just dont want to sacrifice cutting ability in a cutting tool.

This presents no problem for me because:

1. I am not concerned with what you do with your knives and what you use them for. Conversely, you should not be dictating what people want in a knife and what they use them for.

2. I carry a ZDP endura or a with a bevel thinned to between 22-24 degrees inclusive and is hair whittling sharp or my military which is hair splitting sharp as well. Any of these would be enough to handle cutting tasks.

... i just dont want to sacrifice cutting ability in a cutting tool.

And finally, that you believe this does not mean that all people should toe your line.

 

[Josh K]

This just defies any kind of logical thought.

Maybe if you scope outside of that one line it would help.

In the manner I use my knives it matters not how strong the tip is, that is my point. In that manner, thin tips break no sooner then thick ones. Thick ones have disadvantages, so I like thinner tips.

 

[cj65]

Here's a pic of it next to the uber tough Umnumzaan

To the OP, I wouldn't of tried this demo if I didn't believe in the Military's tip or liner lock

Spyderco S30V SE Military

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Spyderco S90V PE Military

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Hey Randy?

It looks like plain edge pulled a wheelie and burned rubber on serrated edge. I am just sayin'.

 

[singularity35]

Maybe if you scope outside of that one line it would help.

In the manner I use my knives it matters not how strong the tip is, that is my point. In that manner, thin tips break no sooner then thick ones.

Thick ones have disadvantages, so I like thinner tips.

Actually, your argument is fallacious since, you could be taking more care of a thin tip than a thick tip.

So, in an absolute sense, a thin tip will break sooner than a thick tip. Saying that a thin tip is about as prone to breakage as a thick tip and qualifying it by saying, for the way you use it presents the situation in a misleading way.

Thick ones have disadvantages, so I like thinner tips.

I totally agree with you here. I did not say otherwise. I do like thin tips and thin blades for cutting and even hard cutting the way Unit defined it. I'm just saying a thin tip is not as strong as a thicker tip.

 

[Josh K]

Actually, your argument is fallacious since, you could be taking more care of a thin tip than a thick tip.

So, in an absolute sense, a thin tip will break sooner than a thick tip.

No, in an absolute sense neither will break, because I don't break tips on knives.

I use all my knives the same, as I've mentioned twice now. For all we know people who are breaking tips of Militaries (haven't seen many) aren't taking care of it properly. Shocker!

 

[NIB]

So what....people have broken Strider SnG tips and we know how thick those blades are cause we get people here complaining about why the thick blades Strider Knives!

 

[singularity35]

No, in an absolute sense neither will break, because I don't break tips on knives.

I use all my knives the same, as I've mentioned twice now. For all we know people who are breaking tips of Militaries (haven't seen many) aren't taking care of it properly. Shocker!

What you do with your knives does not make any kind of absolute except in your case which means that it's not absolute in any sense of the word.

If thin does not break sooner than thick, would you say that we should make structural members of buildings and bricks thinner, because with the way you use your knife, thin is as good as thick?

And Btw, people who see and realize that thin tips are weaker don't often lose tips since they take care of them precisely because they know they're thin. I'm not likely to lose my tips unless I drop my military because I know I'll lose it if I try to poke holes in hard things. Unlike some people who seem to think that in spite of a thin tip it's hard use.

 

[Bill1170]

I sounded like I hated everything about the Military, which I don't. If Spyderco
made it with a stronger tip and the option for tip up carry, I'd put it in
a top three category. The lock, for a liner lock, is great. When I had mine, I
never doubted the lock at all. I'd even live with a shorter blade if the tip
could be thicker. I generally don't pry with folders, but if it's all you have,
and you are in a bad situation, I'd like a folder to have a little more "meat"
in the tip area. Also, where I live, there are many, well, you know the types
that have their mean pit bulls. If I can't carry a handgun, and pepper spray
doesn't cut it, I'd like to know that my knife(or knives at it may be ) won't
break the tip when thrusting into a large, vicious canine in repeated multiple
stabs(slashing won't work). Mr. Glesser, you are a classy guy to get on here
and defend your products(and explain why they are made a certain way).
I wish more manufacturers would have reps on forums...

If you want to own a Spyderco Military, but with a thicker tip, and "I'd even live with a shorter blade if the tip could be thicker," then you could easily buy a Military and grind off the thin tip to your liking. It is very easy to do and seems like it would suit your stated preference.

The tip down carry for the Military makes more sense to me for rapid deployment, as it puts the hole near your thumb as you grasp the knife from the pocket. This is a long handled tool and the bottom end is a long way from the top end in your pocket. Granted, the tip-up will deploy faster if you wave the knife.

Sal is a classy guy, and I like his design philosophy, too.

 

[Josh K]

What you do with your knives does not make any kind of absolute except in your case which means that it's not absolute in any sense of the word.

If thin does not break sooner than thick, would you say that we should make structural members of buildings and bricks thinner, because with the way you use your knife, thin is as good as thick?

I'm saying why 4x4's for a bird cage, when you can probably get away with popsicle sticks.

Not sure anyone else knows this, but people did fine with 1/8" blades on Case trappers long before we had Hinderers and SMF's.

 

[cj65]

Friends do not friends break the tips off their knives. They stay together through the thick ad thin.

 

[singularity35]

So what....people have broken Strider SnG tips and we know how thick those blades are cause we get people here complaining about why the thick blades Strider Knives!

Huh?

 

[singularity35]

I'm saying why 4x4's for a bird cage, when you can probably get away with popsicle sticks.

No you're not saying that at all. You've been saying that a thin tip is as good as a thick tip with the way you use your knives. And I'm saying this is not true for everyone.

Not sure anyone else knows this, but people did fine with 1/8" blades on Case trappers long before we had Hinderers and SMF's.

Because people had no problems with carrying a fixed blade in times past.

 

[Josh K]

No you're not saying that at all. You've been saying that a thin tip is as good as a thick tip with the way you use your knives. And I'm saying this is not true for everyone.

Show me where I say that it is true for everyone.

 

[singularity35]

Show me where I say that it is true for everyone.

No, in an absolute sense neither will break, because I don't break tips on knives.

Sounds to me like you are claiming an absolute here.

 

[Josh K]

Sounds to me like you are claiming an absolute here.

Come on man, you're blindly reading what you want to read.

No, in an absolute sense neither will break, because I don't break tips on knives.

Again, for clarity: I'm saying that because I treat all my knives the same, and because thin tipped knives don't break the way I treat them, it doesn't matter if the tips are thin or thick, and it so happens that thinner tipped knives cut better for me. As such, thick knives have no benefit because neither will break.

 

[singularity35]

Come on man, you're blindly reading what you want to read.

Come on man, a thin tip will never be as strong as a thick tip, no matter how you use your knives.

The only absolute here is that a thin tip is not as strong as a thicker tip, assuming the same materials, dimensions, and geometry.

Again, for clarity: I'm saying that because I treat all my knives the same, and because thin tipped knives don't break the way I treat them, it doesn't matter if the tips are thin or thick, and it so happens that thinner tipped knives cut better for me. As such, thick knives have no benefit because neither will break.

Again, for clarity: you are saying that to you the strength of a thin or thick tip doesn't matter.Ok, point granted, but are you also you saying that this should be same for everybody because it's true with you?

 

[Hitzy]

I really like my Military, but the Para 2 is just about the perfect folder....if you really need the extra blade lenght go for the Mil, but consider the Para 2 if you don't.