How to flip a Hinderer

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jill jackson

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All the talk that Hinderers won't flip! They're not bearing flippers, the detent does not load up and suddenly break free. I bought an XM-18 and being I'm used to mostly bearing flippers, I was trying to pull the flipper, didn't work well. Afterwhile I found if I used a different technique the XM-18 and 24 (i bought after the 18) Flipped wonderfully. Fast, smooth and even straight upwards. This video shows exactly how to flip a Hinderer with great results.

[video=youtube;L6DQcv7KpmA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6DQcv7KpmA[/video]
 
No Hinderer is just lazy and has stated publicly many times their knives are not designed to flip. Heck the detent was so weak on the XM I had it came open in my pocket on several occasions. The fact that the knives are not on bearings is no excuse as well the Medford Viper is in washers just like hinderers and that over quarter inch thick blade flips open just fine, as does the new medford 187 Flipper. People should not have to figure out a special way to get the knife to flip open, I have seen the modification to fix the detent on a hinderer takes maybe 10 minutes there is no reason Hinderer cant do that at the factory (other than that would be admitting they were wrong).
 
Dean Crail said:
No Hinderer is just lazy and has stated publicly many times their knives are not designed to flip. Heck the detent was so weak on the XM I had it came open in my pocket on several occasions. The fact that the knives are not on bearings is no excuse as well the Medford Viper is in washers just like hinderers and that over quarter inch thick blade flips open just fine, as does the new medford 187 Flipper. People should not have to figure out a special way to get the knife to flip open, I have seen the modification to fix the detent on a hinderer takes maybe 10 minutes there is no reason Hinderer cant do that at the factory (other than that would be admitting they were wrong).
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Seriously? What part of XM-18s were designed with weak detents on purpose do some of you guys not understand?

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...gen-4-3-5-quot-xm-18s?p=13005402#post13005402
 
Flip a Hinderer?

It's easy. You buy the Hinderer. Preferably through a lotto at a show. Then immediately list it for much more than you paid for it. This only works if you got a deal originally. If you have already paid flipper prices for the knife, flipping it becomes much harder. You may have to craft a back story. Make sure you write something about how rare it is..... like something about unicorn horn scales.....
 
bld522,
perhaps he means they claim they designed it that way on purpose, but really they are to stubborn to admit its a design flaw they don't care to fix?

I'm just wondering here... could be wrong.
 
I don't have the money to buy one, but if I did it would bug me to have to have a specific technique to flip open a knife.
 
Bigfattyt said:
Flip a Hinderer?

It's easy. You buy the Hinderer. Preferably through a lotto at a show. Then immediately list it for much more than you paid for it. This only works if you got a deal originally. If you have already paid flipper prices for the knife, flipping it becomes much harder. You may have to craft a back story. Make sure you write something about how rare it is..... like something about unicorn horn scales.....
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I never would have paid higher than retail. I lived without a Hinderer for years because of the ridiculous prices, but there's many now going for retail and even less.
 
jill jackson said:
I never would have paid higher than retail. I lived without a Hinderer for years because of the ridiculous prices, but there's many now going for retail and even less.
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I've noticed. It is a nice change for those looking to score one.

I was just being snarky!
 
Like it or not they're exactly how they're meant to be. If they want to sacrifice safety of the user so that .0001% of the population can open it in that .0001% situation, that's that they will and have done. It's an asinine feature but I can't make knives so what I say doesn't matter. If I could do better then I should.

Hearing excuses like what are always made about how opening it sucks and special techniques are needed or trying to figure out ways to safely carry it blows my mind. But I can't do better. It's obvious that's how they're made. It's not a warranty issue. It's not, to them, a defect. So live with it or move to another company that sells something that makes sense to you.
 
Bigfattyt said:
Flip a Hinderer?

It's easy. You buy the Hinderer. Preferably through a lotto at a show. Then immediately list it for much more than you paid for it. This only works if you got a deal originally. If you have already paid flipper prices for the knife, flipping it becomes much harder. You may have to craft a back story. Make sure you write something about how rare it is..... like something about unicorn horn scales.....
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BOOM. Answer of the thread, right'chere. LOL
 
shinyedges said:
bld522,
perhaps he means they claim they designed it that way on purpose, but really they are to stubborn to admit its a design flaw they don't care to fix?

I'm just wondering here... could be wrong.
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Here's a more recent post of Robs about the SOS feature of the knife. I do think they make them that way on purpose, and don't think it's a design flaw(IMO). Kidding about calling it the SOS(shake open system) feature, but that kind of is what it is, lol.

Also, I had one for about a week many years ago, and I didn't have a problem flipping that particular one. I'm sure the detents will vary though, as they do with most all manufacturers.


Rob Orlando said:
I don't sugar coat things, I don't make promises I can't keep, I don't beat around the bush, when I answer emails I get to the point. If stating facts to you regarding our policy on detents and standing behind my company's policy makes me a dick, then I guess I am. I have stated it publicly in our forums here and elsewhere on more than one occasion that XM folders do not have stiff flipper style detents. Rick designed the knife with 3 opening methods, flipper, thumbstud and inertia, a stiff detent will eliminate the inertia and possible the thumbstud for some folks and that is not how they were designed. So the spec that Rick has chosen is not for everyone, same goes with all knives out there, you either like the knife and it's features or you don't. I stated these same facts to you when answering your email, and you chose to not like the answer, that I can't control, our policies and methods with dealing with warranty and service I can. We stand behind every product we sell, but we don't offer carte blanche customization on request, these are production knives all built within the same perimeters and specs. You have a pretty dramatic pitch regarding safety and it hurting you or someone else, but it didn't stop you from selling the knife to someone. Apparently, the detent suited them just fine, we haven't had a detent related email in ages.

I am not going to get into a debate, I provided facts regarding Hinderer Knives policies regarding detents, and apparently it has been taken personally. If anyone has any questions or concerns for me drop me a line anytime, rob@rickhindererknives.com
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edit- Rob wasn't replying to me. Got his quote from a thread here in General last year.
 
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bld522 said:
Seriously? What part of XM-18s were designed with weak detents on purpose do some of you guys not understand?

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...gen-4-3-5-quot-xm-18s?p=13005402#post13005402
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I said as much in my post, the weak detent is so a firefighter can shake the blade out of the handle while wearing gloves. As i was trying to say though the vast majority of customers would prefer a heavier detent to utilize the flipper on the knife, but if Hinderer were to change it after all these years of telling people it was fine that would amount to basically saying we were wrong. And we all know how well the hinderer team responds to criticism let alone admitting something could have been fixed/improved.
 
As I stated in an earlier post, I recently purchased a Xm-24 Bowie and am impressed with its flipping action. The detent is strong without needing too much pressure to break the detent. It's a happy medium for me. I did use the Hinderer tool to slightly tune the action. She is smooth!! Been thinking about getting me an Xm-18 Bowie.
 
All hinderes I have held actually flip and flip well enough for me. That doesn't mean that there are some that don't flip but I haven't seen any new production hinderers come through the shop I shop at that don't flip. If you are really concerned about a good flipping action is recommend you handle one before buying. If someone won't let you see how it flips I probably wouldn't buy it, just me, since they are once again notorious for not flipping well.


YMMV I'll say again YMMV
 
I have no issues flipping the Gen. 4. It was fast to deploy view thumbstud and flipper tab. When using the flipper tab, I found the Hinderer functioned so much better as a push button, pressing and holding to build up before releasing.
 
hmm, SOS feature is kind of catchy, sounds good at least lol until you think of all the times that inertia can open the blade without you wanting it open.. running, jumping, fighting for your life if your a LEO or similar. Ah hell I haven't had a hinderer so i'm just speculating here. meh
Ken44 said:
Here's a more recent post of Robs about the SOS feature of the knife. I do think they make them that way on purpose, and don't think it's a design flaw(IMO). Kidding about calling it the SOS(shake open system) feature, but that kind of is what it is, lol.

Also, I had one for about a week many years ago, and I didn't have a problem flipping that particular one. I'm sure the detents will vary though, as they do with most all manufacturers.




edit- Rob wasn't replying to me. Got his quote from a thread here in General last year.
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Tip down carry is how I'd carry any knife in own with a heavy blade and slick washers, I've been stuck carrying those tip up. Never had a problem with tip down no matter what I was doing.
 
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