How to flip a Hinderer

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The name again is Rick Hinderer. And whether or not you think it's a crap detent, he's sold enough knives that he's probably set financially for life.
 
bld522 said:
The name again is Rick Hinderer. And whether or not you think it's a crap detent, he's sold enough knives that he's probably a made man for life.
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Success ≠ automatic respect.

ICP is set for life. I wouldn't waste my spit on them.

Hinderer makes knives some people like. That's fine. I don't like the knives for stated reasons. We're all entitled to our perceptions and opinions.

jill jackson said:
The Hinderer will flip well too, if you know how to do it.
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A good flipper doesn't require skill or tricks. This just reminds me of the old trope of a car that only the owner knows how to keep running... but the analogy falls short without the excuse of it being a beater car. It'd be like someone saying their brand new 'Vette is a perfectly fine car, even though you have to crawl in through the window.

They're POORLY-MADE FLIPPERS. The manufacturers have stated that the detent is intentionally loose. This is nothing new to anyone and is indefensible.
 
Ok.... we know this. No need to toot his horn for him lol doesn't change that they make a knife with weak detent on purpose for military or police yet I was military and am currently a criminal justice student around police almost daily and never in our knife talks does anyone say "you know what man? I want a knife that opens unintentionally when various circumstances that I can't predict take place"

That's why I believe that the majority of their sales is civilians.
bld522 said:
The name again is Rick Hinderer. And whether or not you think it's a crap detent, he's sold enough knives that he's probably set financially for life.
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The crazy thing is, here I am standing up for the guy and I don't even own one of his knives. I'm just amazed that this crowd thinks they know more about the way Rick's knives are made than Rick does. :thumbdn:
 
I've been around law enforcement officers all my life and most don't care about knives anyway. If they carry something often it's surprisingly cheap.
 
bld522 said:
I'm not qualified to make that claim. I'd suggest you take it up with Rick Hinderer.
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I believe these are your words, I was wondering if you heard this directly from RH or Rob Orlando.
bld522 said:
You can't open a knife that way if it has a strong detent. People just didn't want to believe him.
The XM-18 is a purpose-built knife for use by Mil/EMT/LEO. It was never designed to be used by civilians and to the best of my knowledge, the factory never sold it to civilians . . . at least not directly.
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Yes, you can open a knife that way even if it has strong detent. Do you think CS Voyager has a strong detent ? I can open it that way all day long.

I'm not questioning their words because they can put any explanation for how they made their knives, it's their business after all,
I'm only curious if you are repeating directly what you heard or this is your interpretation, nothing else.

I don't even want to argue with you or anybody, I like RH knives, wouldn't buy one not because of the price or availability to civilians ( fiction) but simply because I'm not in to metal handles and frame locks,
but I admire some of his designs, especially the XM-18.
 
IMO its pretty simple, take it or leave it, love it or hate it, its your choice.
Yes I can shake my 24 open but I can flip it just fine. Its never opened in my pocket and its a beast when deployed.
You get what ya get and I dont feel RHK has tried to be deceptive in their representation.
Just my .02.
Cheers
 
Comeuppance, I am with you on the want of a production wharncliffe framelock. It lead me to pick up one of the first runs of the new ones from Hinderer earlier this year and it was honestly the only blade style of his that appeals to me.

I was pleasantly surprised with the quality and action, after loosening the pivot slightly. Never had much of a desire to participate in the company forum, though, as it always seemed to be an awkward place. I honestly wasn't sure if I would be allowed to show a picture of my knife with the factory scale modified by me.
 
bld522 said:
The crazy thing is, here I am standing up for the guy and I don't even own one of his knives. I'm just amazed that this crowd thinks they know more about the way Rick's knives are made than Rick does.
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Who's stating they have superior knowledge? Conflicting opinions can exist without implied superiority.

I don't think I'm better than people who like their Hinderer knives, nor do I criticize them for owning them. They're just not made the way I would want a knife to be made, and, this being a forum where we generally share our opinions on sharp things, I relayed my opinion and reasoning behind it.

I think it's intellectually dishonest to call them "good" flippers, though, because any budget Kershaw is going to have better flipping action. And, hey, those can still be opened with thumb studs too...
 
I don't think you can open a ZT 0562 by inertia. At least I've had no success. Orlando said you don't like the way they open buy something that suits you. So I guess that's what you do and Hinderer knives doesn't care.:D
 
Who here claimed to know more about ricks knives then him?? I don't know weights lengths or any other specs, what I do know is my first hand experience being military that a knife that opens unintentionally while doing or partaking in unconventional events is a liability. Joe shmoe, buying groceries wont even care though.
 
POCEH KOCEB said:
I'm only curious if you are repeating directly what you heard or this is your interpretation, nothing else.
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Nope. I'm pretty much repeating what I read in Rob's posts. But I don't have the energy or the inclination to go find all of them related to this topic. In fact, this was the first time I quoted the post I put in this thread. There are plenty of others out there for those who might be interested finding them. Anyway, I'm done.

See you on the other side.
 
bld522 said:
Seriously? What part of XM-18s were designed with weak detents on purpose do some of you guys not understand?

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...gen-4-3-5-quot-xm-18s?p=13005402#post13005402
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Good point. Mine flips fine with a bit of wrist assist. I much prefer a flipper that opens easily with a thumb stud. I personally never buy folders that open only with a flipper with no other options. My Hinderer slicer grind is arguably the best made knife I own. And I have a superb Sebenza 25 and a solid Strider sng.
 
ArchVV said:
Comeuppance, I am with you on the want of a production wharncliffe framelock. It lead me to pick up one of the first runs of the new ones from Hinderer earlier this year and it was honestly the only blade style of his that appeals to me.

I was pleasantly surprised with the quality and action, after loosening the pivot slightly. Never had much of a desire to participate in the company forum, though, as it always seemed to be an awkward place. I honestly wasn't sure if I would be allowed to show a picture of my knife with the factory scale modified by me.
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I'll never crap on the quality behind the Hinderers I have owned. Each one was absolutely mechanically perfect. They made me think of fine watches and precision engineering every time I opened one. Smoother than any Sebenza I have handled (8 so far, both new and used) and with absolutely resolute lockup.

If they only flipped like I think flippers should flip, I would get a XM-24 Bowie and feel pretty set.
 
Just so its clear, ANY knife that opens unintentionally is probably not the best for guys and gals who can't afford to have a knife open at the wrong time. Hinderer, is apparently the only one I'm aware of that specifically wants it this way though. Some axis lock knives open a little to easy for running and tangling with people or objects too in my experience.
 
shinyedges said:
Just so its clear, ANY knife that opens unintentionally is probably not the best for guys and gals who can't afford to have a knife open at the wrong time. Hinderer, is apparently the only one I'm aware of that specifically wants it this way though. Some axis lock knives open a little to easy for running and tangling with people or objects too in my experience.
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The larger and heavier blades tend to do that with Axis locks. Every Adamas and large onslaught I have handled has been openable by a relatively light shake.
 
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