How To Spot A Fake

Can anyone tell me if I bought a fake or a re-build of some sort? Stamps appear legit to me, but those tangs ....... 🫣

It was definitely on a high speed buffer at one point. I patinated and sharpened it...... Don't think I'll ever buy an old knife at auction again.







 
draggat said:
Can anyone tell me if I bought a fake or a re-build of some sort? Stamps appear legit to me, but those tangs ....... 🫣

It was definitely on a high speed buffer at one point. I patinated and sharpened it...... Don't think I'll ever buy an old knife at auction again.







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Looks legit to me but 🤷‍♂️ I just think the last user filed the kicks (quite poorly) to get the knife to sit lower in the frame.

You hear it said all the time, but if someone is going to put together a fake they're far more likely to do so on a much older case knife. Like something from the tested-era that would go for 100s of dollars in good condition if original.
 
Never seen a Case with a kick filed that much. Makes one wonder why. Are the blades shorter than they should be?
 
lithicus said:
Looks legit to me but 🤷‍♂️ I just think the last user filed the kicks (quite poorly) to get the knife to sit lower in the frame.

You hear it said all the time, but if someone is going to put together a fake they're far more likely to do so on a much older case knife. Like something from the tested-era that would go for 100s of dollars in good condition if original.
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Oldy said:
Looks legit,agree kick looks filed down maybe
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brownshoe said:
Never seen a Case with a kick filed that much. Makes one wonder why. Are the blades shorter than they should be?
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Thanks for the responses. The knife doesn't seem off other than the kicks. The blades seem about where they should be, but this is the only one of this pattern I've seen in person.

The kick, especially on the pen is what was making me wonder if it was a blade replacement
 
May I ask if one of you fine gents could pick apart this Lockwood FJ I just purchased off ebay. I'm having second thoughts on its legitimacy. I'm noticing differences on it vs. one I have. I should probably use this opportunity as a learning experience to slow down before purchasing.

Here's the differences I see.

Bolster shape
Kicks
Spey blade
Main & Spey nick
Stag doesn't seem aged

Ebay URL:

www.ebay.com

C+X LOCKWOOD BROTHERS SHEFFIELD ENGLAND STAG FARMERS JACK / ROOSTER COMB KNIFE | eBay

GREAT EXAMPLE OF EARLY SHEFFIELD CUTLERY! TREAT YOURSELF TO A GREAT PIECE OF CUTLERY MADE BY EXPERT SHEFFIELD ARTISANS! THE SHEFFIELD QUALITY REALLY SHINES WITH THIS PIECE! SUPER PRETTY, RARE KNIFE MADE IN SHEFFIELD ENGLAND FOR ANY COLLECTION OR AN OUTSTANDING PIECE TO SHOW OFF OUT BY THE...
www.ebay.com

Attached is an older Lockwood I have for reference.

Thank you!

*** Solved ***
1970-80's Lockwood Bros.
 
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WinMag775 said:
May I ask if one of you fine gents could pick apart this Lockwood FJ I just purchased off ebay. I'm having second thoughts on its legitimacy. I'm noticing differences on it vs. one I have. I should probably use this opportunity as a learning experience to slow down before purchasing.

Here's the differences I see.

Bolster shape
Kicks
Spey blade
Main & Spey nick
Stag doesn't seem aged

Ebay URL:

www.ebay.com

C+X LOCKWOOD BROTHERS SHEFFIELD ENGLAND STAG FARMERS JACK / ROOSTER COMB KNIFE | eBay

GREAT EXAMPLE OF EARLY SHEFFIELD CUTLERY! TREAT YOURSELF TO A GREAT PIECE OF CUTLERY MADE BY EXPERT SHEFFIELD ARTISANS! THE SHEFFIELD QUALITY REALLY SHINES WITH THIS PIECE! SUPER PRETTY, RARE KNIFE MADE IN SHEFFIELD ENGLAND FOR ANY COLLECTION OR AN OUTSTANDING PIECE TO SHOW OFF OUT BY THE...
www.ebay.com

Attached is an older Lockwood I have for reference.

Thank you!

*** Solved ***
1970-80's Lockwood Bros.
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He's selling it again?

www.ebay.com

C+X LOCKWOOD BROTHERS SHEFFIELD ENGLAND STAG FARMERS JACK / ROOSTER COMB KNIFE | eBay

GREAT EXAMPLE OF EARLY SHEFFIELD CUTLERY! THE SHEFFIELD ENGLAND QUALITY REALLY SHINES WITH THIS BEAUTIFUL PIECE! SUPER PRETTY, RARE KNIFE MADE IN SHEFFIELD ENGLAND FOR ANY COLLECTION OR AN OUTSTANDING PIECE TO SHOW OFF OUT BY THE CHICKEN COOP!
www.ebay.com
 
I have a separate post going on a John Primble 1940-1965 mainly made by Boker era. One would think if they were faking a John Primble it would be an India Steel Works era one.

I am currently leaning toward the Someone freshened up the marking with a scribe ( tiny letters and no stamps?) and when re-stamping the number misread the worn one . Probably should have been 5763. Since I bought it very cheaply as just a nice old knife with suspicious markings it will make a good user.

sceva

Thread 'Another John Primble'

OK members, help me out here with opinions or info if you know. If someone has older catalogs than the 1950 and 1970 I have copies of perhaps you can check for the pattern No.

I got this off ebay after watching for a long time. I was suspicious as it was not in my catalog(s) , the handle material and markings and when I asked the seller about it and he was also somewhat suspicious. I ended up getting it for a low price, buying it as a nice old equal end penknife.

What it is supposed to be. A John Primble Belknap Hdw & Mfg Co equal end penknife, pattern 5753, 2 3/4" closed with tip...
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UPDATE: after being lost by the PO for over a month and the sender refunding me this knife was finally delivered. let the seller know and was told enjoy it as a gift. After looking it over I now believe this to be a legitimate John Primble knife. The marking look fine and I believe the photos in the listing were ran thru a photo editor to sharpen them which caused the anomalies. I still can't figure the pattern marking but I do believe it is an Early John Primble Hdw & Mfg Co knife from early in the changeover from the India Iron Works knives.
 
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Hi Bladeforum friends

Lately I have looked at more New York Knives than I have had hot dinners with a study thing I have going on.

New York Knife Co are just awesome aren't they, well, when "cruising" the bay I came across this, now this may be another learning curve to me as it could possibly be another punch that has flown past my Radar.

Here is the Auction..
www.ebay.com

Early Rare New York Knife Walden NY USA Harness Punch Jack Bone Knife | eBay

Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Early Rare New York Knife Walden NY USA Harness Punch Jack Bone Knife at the best online prices at eBay! Free shipping for many products!
www.ebay.com

What I don't see right about this Knife...

1, The Main Tang Stamp Hammer Brand does not look right at all, I think Taylors did a modern version? This does NOT look like a good old Hammer Brand Icon Stamp to me- is there a specific Hammer Brand expert out there?
The Tang looks brand new- the main has been taken down and cleaned with pits still remaining yet this Tang looks brand new!

2, The Bone could be neither here or there, but I own a few New York Knife co's- going by memory now I haven't seen one with that Bone.

3, The Font of the Tang Stamps does not look right to me either too bold, slightly cold shouldered.

4, That Punch - I have not seen New York Knife Co use that generic styled punch, nor have I seen a NYK Co punch stamped like this.
New York Knife Co used 4 punches that I know of, three that are New York Knife Co. stamped and patented, two are those famous ones that we know - The Harrison and Spiral J.E Fuller. The other two are used more commonly on the Wallkill River Works Knives a New York owned Brand name. Wallkill River Works used an non-Patented punch and another J.E Fuller patented Punch that is totally different to the more famous ones we all know and recognize.

Photos for when Auction disappears and so the Link will no longer be valid after a short while after completion of the auction. ( having trouble doing this for some reason )
Ok, I had to take a photo of my screen for Imgur to accept the file, please excuse the photos that are not as clear as the auction photos - Computer screens mess things up a bit don't they?

pYvneZ2.jpg


sD1dLY1.jpg


L9yM3DF.jpg


i92bFGl.jpg


I would love to read your opinions and as to why, I like this thread as it invites chatting about a knife in depth and learning from each other, so thank you in advance :)
 
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Oldy said:
Curious as to what he agreed on that was mis described.
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He listed the FJ as an original late 1800s Lockwood. Since it was confirmed to have been a remake from the 1970's with mostly original parts, he accepted the return.
 
Campbellclanman said:
Hi Bladeforum friends

Lately I have looked at more New York Knives than I have had hot dinners with a study thing I have going on.

New York Knife Co are just awesome aren't they, well, when "cruising" the bay I came across this, now this may be another learning curve to me as it could possibly be another punch that has flown past my Radar.

Here is the Auction..
www.ebay.com

Early Rare New York Knife Walden NY USA Harness Punch Jack Bone Knife | eBay

Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Early Rare New York Knife Walden NY USA Harness Punch Jack Bone Knife at the best online prices at eBay! Free shipping for many products!
www.ebay.com

What I don't see right about this Knife...

1, The Main Tang Stamp Hammer Brand does not look right at all, I think Taylors did a modern version? This does NOT look like a good old Hammer Brand Icon Stamp to me- is there a specific Hammer Brand expert out there?
The Tang looks brand new- the main has been taken down and cleaned with pits still remaining yet this Tang looks brand new!

2, The Bone could be neither here or there, but I own a few New York Knife co's- going by memory now I haven't seen one with that Bone.

3, The Font of the Tang Stamps does not look right to me either too bold, slightly cold shouldered.

4, That Punch - I have not seen New York Knife Co use that generic styled punch, nor have I seen a NYK Co punch stamped like this.
New York Knife Co used 4 punches that I know of, three that are New York Knife Co. stamped and patented, two are those famous ones that we know - The Harrison and Spiral J.E Fuller. The other two are used more commonly on the Wallkill River Works Knives a New York owned Brand name. Wallkill River Works used an non-Patented punch and another J.E Fuller patented Punch that is totally different to the more famous ones we all know and recognize.

Photos for when Auction disappears and so the Link will no longer be valid after a short while after completion of the auction. ( having trouble doing this for some reason )
Ok, I had to take a photo of my screen for Imgur to accept the file, please excuse the photos that are not as clear as the auction photos - Computer screens mess things up a bit don't they?

pYvneZ2.jpg


sD1dLY1.jpg


L9yM3DF.jpg


i92bFGl.jpg


I would love to read your opinions and as to why, I like this thread as it invites chatting about a knife in depth and learning from each other, so thank you in advance :)
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I’m not sure about the bone and I am no expert with punches. For me the more serious issue is the tang stamps. They just don’t look right. Possibly from a modern repro by someone like Taylor. Also interesting that the tang stamp on the punch is doubled.
 
WinMag775 said:
He listed the FJ as an original late 1800s Lockwood. Since it was confirmed to have been a remake from the 1970's with mostly original parts, he accepted the return.
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And he then resold it with the false description again?
 
Campbellclanman said:
Hi Bladeforum friends

Lately I have looked at more New York Knives than I have had hot dinners with a study thing I have going on.

New York Knife Co are just awesome aren't they, well, when "cruising" the bay I came across this, now this may be another learning curve to me as it could possibly be another punch that has flown past my Radar.

Here is the Auction..
www.ebay.com

Early Rare New York Knife Walden NY USA Harness Punch Jack Bone Knife | eBay

Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Early Rare New York Knife Walden NY USA Harness Punch Jack Bone Knife at the best online prices at eBay! Free shipping for many products!
www.ebay.com

What I don't see right about this Knife...

1, The Main Tang Stamp Hammer Brand does not look right at all, I think Taylors did a modern version? This does NOT look like a good old Hammer Brand Icon Stamp to me- is there a specific Hammer Brand expert out there?
The Tang looks brand new- the main has been taken down and cleaned with pits still remaining yet this Tang looks brand new!

2, The Bone could be neither here or there, but I own a few New York Knife co's- going by memory now I haven't seen one with that Bone.

3, The Font of the Tang Stamps does not look right to me either too bold, slightly cold shouldered.

4, That Punch - I have not seen New York Knife Co use that generic styled punch, nor have I seen a NYK Co punch stamped like this.
New York Knife Co used 4 punches that I know of, three that are New York Knife Co. stamped and patented, two are those famous ones that we know - The Harrison and Spiral J.E Fuller. The other two are used more commonly on the Wallkill River Works Knives a New York owned Brand name. Wallkill River Works used an non-Patented punch and another J.E Fuller patented Punch that is totally different to the more famous ones we all know and recognize.

Photos for when Auction disappears and so the Link will no longer be valid after a short while after completion of the auction. ( having trouble doing this for some reason )
Ok, I had to take a photo of my screen for Imgur to accept the file, please excuse the photos that are not as clear as the auction photos - Computer screens mess things up a bit don't they?

pYvneZ2.jpg


sD1dLY1.jpg


L9yM3DF.jpg


i92bFGl.jpg


I would love to read your opinions and as to why, I like this thread as it invites chatting about a knife in depth and learning from each other, so thank you in advance :)
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I'm the farthest from an expert on spotting fakes. I will say though, the way the punch sits when open doesn't look "right" to me. It could be a trick of the camera, but it looks like the spine to where it touches the spring when opened looks shaved down at an angle to better fit fully opened Also, doesn't the "lip"(nail-nick thingy) of the punch tend to sit more tighter to the liner when closed?

As to the tang stamps, those are a head scratcher. For the use on the main blade, I'd expect the Hammer stamp to be a little less crisp. But what do I know?
 
SteveC SteveC Thanks for the photo's! :thumbsup:

L lambertiana - Definitely too new and the font too bold for the Tang Stamps ( imo), the doubled tang stamp to me isn't right- (has there been cases where this was legit?) but the least of the problems with this one. Thank you for your opinion my friend!

glennbad glennbad , yes the punch should sit closer when you compare it to other NYK Co's, with that that Punch isn't one of theirs and I haven't seen that amazing company use this Punch at all, again those Tangs stamps just aren't right, and you know more than what you let on my friend, :)thanks for coming in.
 
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