How would you describe the condition of this knife?

[Alann45]

... I said, I just had the wrong way of looking at it, I have never done a "lower" end trade before, my exceptions for it were wrongly lower.

This is to almost everyone except ABTOMAT, people keep saying I need to move on, when they keep repeating what someone else has said on page 1 of this thread, which in turn if I care to respond makes me say the same thing over.

What appears to be bothering folks is that you described the knife as NEW and UNUSED, when, if I have read your comments correctly, you admit you didn't even look at it that closely.

The "Also it was never used, as I know that as a fact" quote attributed to you is troubling since, from the description, the knife is almost non-functional....so it may not have been "used" but sure was abused.

I think your admittedly inaccurate description offends some folks and makes them want to comment.

Point being, if you are going to describe something as new, regardless of it being a "lower" end item or not, you really need to at least look at it first.
Failing to examine the knife at all resulted in hassle for the OP and now a lot of hassle for you, which could have easily been avoided.
But you probably realize that now.

I know this hasn't been fun for you or the OP.

I keep saying, I made a mistake, I have honed up to it, and I am returning the knife. Some of you are acting as if I am denying something.

You have admitted the mistake, and are taking care of fixing the problem.

This was my fault. I did not have pictures of the knife at the time (which I explained) but again I felt the knife was acceptable (should not have thought that). I always send pictures for a trade, to avoid things like this but like I said, I just kinda got sloppy on this one. It has been fixed now though, so its all good.

Everything in that quote is great and sounds very positive and speaks well for you, EXCEPT the part in red, and IMHO thats why you keep getting feedback.
How could you have felt it was acceptable? I believe you have admitted you didn't even examine the knife.

It's probably also worth noting that the OP never mentioned your name. Your first post was the only way anyone even knew who was being discussed.

 

[singularity35]

This was my fault. I did not have pictures of the knife at the time (which I explained) but again I felt the knife was acceptable (should not have thought that). I always send pictures for a trade, to avoid things like this but like I said, I just kinda got sloppy on this one. It has been fixed now though, so its all good.

I am using the word acceptable now, as it was traded to me as unused, clearly it was flipped a lot (also I say "clearly", as I did not really bother to fully check over the knife, for instance I did not notice the screw was missing until he said it). Like I said I got this knife under some really weird circumstances (which might explain a lot, but this thread is not the place to say said circumstances or atleast I dont think it is).

As I said in the last posts this is the first time I have ever done something like this (as in mess up on a trade, much less this badly).

Get every ones point but I dont know if this kinda got blown out of proportion or if this is a normal response.

Its unanimous that the condition of the triple action is not acceptable (I agree, I would have liked to have noticed this sooner), this has been fixed. Not sure why this thread keeps on going (I realize I keep responding, but their is something new to respond to).

... I said, I just had the wrong way of looking at it, I have never done a "lower" end trade before, my exceptions for it were wrongly lower.

This is to almost everyone except ABTOMAT, people keep saying I need to move on, when they keep repeating what someone else has said on page 1 of this thread, which in turn if I care to respond makes me say the same thing over.



I keep saying, I made a mistake, I have honed up to it, and I am returning the knife. Not sure how your post at this point in this thread is relevant. Some of you are acting as if I am denying something.

You keep saying you made a mistake yet you qualify your admission with statements saying that you felt the knife was acceptable. It was no such thing and I'm betting that you knew it.

and BTW, you're not moving on. By saying that you have moved on yet keep trying to justify what you did, you are trying to mitigate your "error".

Just say that you have moved on and mea culpa. No other justifications needed or possible.

 

[Bryan J]

Let's stop piling on this guy, folks. He is manning up and taking responsibility here by accepting the knife back and reimbursing shipping, which is really all one can ask for. No one is perfect and we all make mistakes in judgement at times for a variety of reasons. When a couple of members accurately--and rightly--tell the member that his actions were unacceptable, that is enough. We don't need every single person wandering into the thread giving the guy another kick while he's down.

 

[sixcoder]

Let's stop piling on this guy, folks. He is manning up and taking responsibility here by accepting the knife back and reimbursing shipping, which is really all one can ask for. No one is perfect and we all make mistakes in judgement at times for a variety of reasons. When a couple of members accurately--and rightly--tell the member that his actions were unacceptable, that is enough. We don't need every single person wandering into the thread giving the guy another kick while he's down.

i totally agree with you...

 

[Piper Maru]

It's probably also worth noting that the OP never mentioned your name. Your first post was the only way anyone even knew who was being discussed.

I felt I should post, as I had noticed that aswel, but I felt it would be distasteful not to comment. Also by the time I found this thread I had already done the trade back, so I also did not want it to seem I was ignoring the OP.

 

[shawnpatterson]

It's a done deal so please wrap it up, put it behind you and move on- otherwise you might come across as "slightly belligerent and argumentative".

Saved for Posterity:

What a dick. You can say something but the guy you are talking about cant have a response without you throwing around "belligerent" again and again.

 

[Gastonknife]

This is getting interesting now. All we need is some beer and beef jerky.

 

[rjdepedro]

While it is possible the knife may never have been carried or used to cut, it has certainly been mishandled to the point of damage, which could have happened by frequent opening and closing, improper storage, and possibly dropping.

Based on the comments in the previous posting, it could be the trader was providing second-hand information without verifying the condition. This highlights the importance of personally checking and cleaning any blade/tool before a sale or trade.

 

[RevDevil]

Very sad to see this happening, all very preventable. By taking the time to examine knives and other gear when received it's very simple to avoid the hassle these oversights present. I've seen some knives presented as NIB, and you can obviously see there are scratches and wear marks to the items. I write this specifically to avoid these situations:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/entry.php/90-How-To-Trade-Knives-and-Gear-Successfully

NIB: Means that the knife is exactly as it was from the store, no use, no carry, little to no handling.
LNIB: Means the knife has possibly been carried, *lightly* used, stored outside the box.
Used: Means, just that. The knife was carried and used repeated. This is a gray area so honestly is the best policy.

The above descriptions are what I use when I sell a knife or other piece of gear. Some people though will conveniently use their own off descriptions and define them as the need arises. Not saying this happened here, but this does seem like a pure disregard of caution and possibly laziness.

 

[Piper Maru]

Very sad to see this happening, all very preventable. By taking the time to examine knives and other gear when received it's very simple to avoid the hassle these oversights present. I've seen some knives presented as NIB, and you can obviously see there are scratches and wear marks to the items. I write this specifically to avoid these situations:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/entry.php/90-How-To-Trade-Knives-and-Gear-Successfully

NIB: Means that the knife is exactly as it was from the store, no use, no carry, little to no handling.
LNIB: Means the knife has possibly been carried, *lightly* used, stored outside the box.
Used: Means, just that. The knife was carried and used repeated. This is a gray area so honestly is the best policy.

The above descriptions are what I use when I sell a knife or other piece of gear. Some people though will conveniently use their own off descriptions and define them as the need arises. Not saying this happened here, but this does seem like a pure disregard of caution and possibly laziness.

I normally, actually always do my best to show many pictures and not only that give a very accurate description of the knife. I also do not like to give "one off" descriptions as it can lead to situations like this. As stated I got sloppy on this one, I dont have any excuse for it, it just happened. I have moved on and righted this wrong and I have learned from it.

 

[CWL]

Piper, I think you should just stop posting and let this die. Die it will.

This has been settled to the OPs satisfaction so it is over. It is very obvious that the OP dod not start this to try and "smear" your rep, but just wanted everyone's opinion, he clearly didn't bring-up your identity, you choose to do so (which is commendable).

I don't think your long-term reputation has been harmed by this, but you have learned a valuable lesson out of this. I think that you will be viewing & describing all sales & trade items a little more careful now.

 

[pry]

seems fishy to me, as was pointed out he clearly stated it was like new, unused yada yda, made it sound perfect, then he says he never looked at it that close? WTF?
seems convenient that the pics were left out due to circumstances?

I can't say i'm surprised though, seems like getting the better end of a trade is his MO around here. No i don't want your broken tv, shirts, boxers, or half eaten subway sandwich for my knife. No I don't want to buy your Native 5 for $175 when they cost $130 new. Yes these things actually happened (may have exaggerated on the sandwich part tho )

 

[Piper Maru]

Piper, I think you should just stop posting and let this die. Die it will.

This has been settled to the OPs satisfaction so it is over. It is very obvious that the OP dod not start this to try and "smear" your rep, but just wanted everyone's opinion, he clearly didn't bring-up your identity, you choose to do so (which is commendable).

I don't think your long-term reputation has been harmed by this, but you have learned a valuable lesson out of this. I think that you will be viewing & describing all sales & trade items a little more careful now.

I agree I should just stop posting, but I see people say something (not you) that I think is out of line so I comment on it.

seems fishy to me, as was pointed out he clearly stated it was like new, unused yada yda, made it sound perfect, then he says he never looked at it that close? WTF?
seems convenient that the pics were left out due to circumstances?

I can't say i'm surprised though, seems like getting the better end of a trade is his MO around here. No i don't want your broken tv, shirts, boxers, or half eaten subway sandwich for my knife. No I don't want to buy your Native 5 for $175 when they cost $130 new. Yes these things actually happened (may have exaggerated on the sandwich part tho )

The fact I had random stuff to trade is completely not related to this at all. Also I think this is helpful on my part, as you mention I clearly stated "broken TV" being honest. Proving my point I just got sloppy on this one.

Also I dont feel like my reputation is ruined or anything, this is the first complaint that has been filed against me, also I hope for it to be the last if at all possible.

Cheers.

 

[ceptor781]

Also I dont feel like my reputation is ruined or anything, this is the first complaint that has been filed against me, also I hope for it to be the last if at all possible.

Cheers.

I do, but I'm the kinda guy that holds a grudge. I'm not involed in this in anyway, but I will never conduct a transaction with you based on this, traded back or not. I would expect to be black balled if I did what you did. The old saying, "you only get one chance to make a first impression" should apply in every aspect of your life.

 

[Magnaminous_G]

... and my 1932 transactions on ebay that all have resulted in great feedback.

 

[ABTOMAT-47]

I'm not going to lock this thread, but you guys can refrain from posting unless it's relevant to this transaction or there's a new development. Go argue and post 4chan memes somewhere else.

 

[RevDevil]

I'm not going to lock this thread, but you guys can refrain from posting unless it's relevant to this transaction or there's a new development. Go argue and post 4chan memes somewhere else.

Sounds like excellent advice. Posts in this thread also need to relax the language and insults. It should be crystal clear that insulting people will get you nowhere and will never help to substantiate your point. Clear and levelheaded discussion that gets to the heart of the matter is what we are looking for. Further disregard will result in infractions handed out to those that cannot respect the nature and purpose of this forum and discussion.

 

[ABTOMAT-47]

Got my knife back today. Everything's resolved smoothly, and I suppose the cash I lost on shipping is a cheap lesson about asking for pics beforehand.

 

[Skimo]

Good deal, glad to see this resolved.

 

[Piper Maru]

I do, but I'm the kinda guy that holds a grudge. I'm not involed in this in anyway, but I will never conduct a transaction with you based on this, traded back or not. I would expect to be black balled if I did what you did. The old saying, "you only get one chance to make a first impression" should apply in every aspect of your life.

I am commenting on this for one reason, you mention first impressions, this is not my first transactions on this site and for sure not my first trade. So this is should not be representative of me, but this is resolved now so its all good. Cheers.

Also I am glad this all worked out. Cheers.