http://www.knifetests.com/ not kind to BK9 Knife

[dawsonbob]

Yes, I will have. You will have chosen a knife for use in a narrower variety of real world situations. A semantic distraction from the discussion of knives will not help in the support of your argument.


Everyone knows any knife can be destroyed. That is not the point of the tests. You are unclear about the objective, so I will explain it to you in more simple terms. The objective is not to destroy the knives. The objective is to see how much the knives can withstand before they are destroyed. Being completely oblivious to a distinction this obvious and basic implies a serious lack of consideration.


Then you would submit it without intelligent reasoning to accompany it.


The tests are not scientific. The knives are not treated identically, they are treated similarly, yielding rough estimates. Repeatability is questionable, but not completely unlikely and there is no indication of intentional rigging. You have no evidence to support the contrary and the accusation is nothing more than a gross manifestation of your unreasoned partiality.


Clearly you have some basic lack of understanding in this area and I would like to help you. What specifically confuses you about the concept of simulation?


I'm sure that they are fantastic tools.


That's debatable to say the least.

Oh,wonderful. Gratuitous insults are just so cool. I have to go to an event.

Back later

 

[Karda]

Everyone knows any knife can be destroyed. That is not the point of the tests. You are unclear about the objective, so I will explain it to you in more simple terms. The objective is not to destroy the knives. The objective is to see how much the knives can withstand before they are destroyed. Being completely oblivious to a distinction this obvious and basic implies a serious lack of consideration.

Thats funny, KT.com clearly states that they are destruction tests, and the objective IS to destroy the knife. By not using repeatable and clear measures of equal "testing" and "Rating", all of KT.coms results are rendered subjective and misleading. Using substandard procedures produces biased results and are the equivalent of stunts, produced for the sole purpose of garnering attention and notoriety. Failure to notice a distinction that clear implies a gross lack of understanding of real life situations

 

[CaptInsano]

Thats funny, KT.com clearly states that they are destruction tests, and the objective IS to destroy the knife.

There's nothing funny about this level of misunderstanding. You cannot assess what a knife can take before destruction without the destruction. That doesn't make destruction the object. Your premise is illogical and more than a little ridiculous. If the question was "can a knife be destroyed" the answer would be "yes" and there would be no website. It is the equivalent of pretending that cutting tests are performed to determine whether a knife can cut or not.

By not using repeatable and clear measures of equal "testing" and "Rating", all of KT.coms results are rendered subjective and misleading.

Do you not understand the validity of qualitative data? What source are you using to determine whether or not the tests are reasonably repeatable? Exactly what is it about estimation that you fail to understand?

Using substandard procedures produces biased results and are the equivalent of stunts, produced for the sole purpose of garnering attention and notoriety. Failure to notice a distinction that clear implies a gross lack of understanding of real life situations

Again, please support your accusations of bias. Also, I don't think that persons on this forum who submit personal reviews of knives will appreciate your characterizations, nor do I think you really comprehend the necessary implications of your line of reasoning.

 

[CaptInsano]

Oh,wonderful. Gratuitous insults are just so cool. I have to go to an event.

Back later

Lighten up, Francis.

 

[Karda]

Also, I don't think that persons on this forum who submit personal reviews of knives will appreciate your characterizations, nor do I think you really comprehend the necessary implications of your line of reasoning.

Great, another Noss fan with the propensity to pick apart every syllable of posts that don't agree with his. No surprise there.

I dont think reveiwers would have a problem with it. After all they do not profess themselves "Testing" experts, nor do they have the audacity to call their reviews "Tests" and tout them about the internet proclaiming them to be evidence of intentional fraudulent marketing techniques.

Lighten up, Francis.

Maybe you should stop with the insults and heed your own advice. while you're at it maybe you should also try thinking more objectively.

 

[CaptInsano]

Great, another Noss fan with the propensity to pick apart every syllable of posts that don't agree with his. No surprise there.

This is your attack after picking a single paragraph from an entire post? Not only is it hypocritical, its inaccurate. I addressed everything you said.

I dont think reveiwers would have a problem with it. After all they do not profess themselves "Testing" experts, nor do they have the audacity to call their reviews "Tests" and tout them about the internet proclaiming them to be evidence of intentional fraudulent marketing techniques.

Sure they do. I'm not sure if you think calling them "tests" or "reviews" or anything else actually makes a difference, but attempting some game of semantics isn't going to cut it as a substitute for a reasoned argument. I don't think arguing that persons who submit their interviews here (on the internet) don't put their reviews on the internet is going to help in that department either.

Maybe you should stop with the insults and heed your own advice. while you're at it maybe you should also try thinking more objectively.

I haven't insulted anyone, although I've seen quite a few insults flying around this thread that no one seemed to have a problem with before. No surprise there. I made a facetious remark, accented by an illustrative emoticon. If it was missed the first time, there isn't much I can do about it other than explain it for the people who have trouble with it. But I'm glad to help and, as demonstrated by the content of these arguments, it would certainly appear that my objectivity is not the one to question.

 

[Karda]

I didnt realise Nossfan was an insult. It seems to me you would be proud to be noted as such.

but attempting some game of semantics isn't going to cut it as a substitute for a reasoned argument.

Again, you should heed your own advice.

I haven't insulted anyone

 

[CaptInsano]

I didnt realise Nossfan was an insult. It seems to me you would be proud to be noted as such.

Again, you should heed your own advice.

I really didn't say "nossfan" was an insult. Interesting that you would identify it as being suspect. Maybe you place some kind of latent derogatory connotation on it. I can't help it if you are insulted by someone disagreeing with you or describing why and how your arguments are lacking. I suppose people can feel insulted by anything.


EDIT: Have to go watch the superbowl now. Hope that doesn't insult anyone.

 

[Guyon]

I've seen "Nosshole" used in a number of posts here at BFC. I think Sharp Phil coined that one. I think he uses it affectionately though, so one need not be offended.

 

[Jake Bauer]

Chill out fellas. Some folks are taking way too much time to debate this. I'm sure you have a lot more important things to do.

Capt.. be happy, the saints won!

 

[dawsonbob]

Chill out fellas. Some folks are taking way too much time to debate this. I'm sure you have a lot more important things to do.

Capt.. be happy, the saints won!

I'm with you, Jake. A little banter is one thing, but insulting other members is something else.

I'm happy the Saints won. I didn't really expect it, but it was what I hoped for. Being a San Diegan, I'm a huge Drew Brees fan, and I — and all my buddies — were pulling for the Saints.

The only thing that would have made it better for us is if the Chargers had won. Maybe next year (we say that year after year).

 

[dl351]

Good heavens! I feel like I read through this thread a few weeks ago in the Chris Reeve Knives forum! What's with the picking apart each line of posts? In my experience, when my posts got picked apart, they were misunderstood and twisted to mean something that I did not intend them to mean.

About these "tests" again, I contend that Dawsonbob has got it right:

"You have the perfect tool for the situation at hand: your brain."

While some may not want to admit this, your brain will do a whole heck of a lot more to save your rear in any situation than any knife will do, period. If you think otherwise, you should probably stay home and caress your invincible knife.

 

[cotdt]

All else equal, wouldn't someone rather have a knife that stands up to abuse better? Having a brain is nice, but having tools that are overbuilt is still a nice luxury to have. The Busse did very well in the abuse tests after all.

 

[scrappy]

I like survival books and I am interested in bushcraft right now but I still like his tests. look at the cs kuk machete. it is super tough and thin. I didn't know that. some times when chopping I may nick the blade on a rock. I know now infi takes that on the edge better than other steels.

 

[CaptInsano]

I'm with you, Jake. A little banter is one thing, but insulting other members is something else.

Ohhh, I think its a bit late to attempt to play that card. Unless, of course, you feel comfortable copping to some kind of blatant double standard concerning the issue.

noss4 isn't the brightest light in the shed

IIRC, another beacon of ineptitude, Cliff Stamp

Folks here at BFC have admitted that they don't buy a knife until noss4 has demolished one like it. Hopefully, they wise up after a while.

knifetests.com is unfortunate proof that any fool with a camera and the ability to purchase a domain name can fancy himself an expert and will find plenty that are uninformed enough to agree with and defend said fool's imaginary expertise.

It is an unintended commentary on the internet and the fact that so many of us out there are so easily led around by the nose.

His own brand?... of what?
Nonsense?

That douche-baggery casts hockey masks in a bad light.

+1..................heck, +1,000,000.
When are people going to wake up and realize this to be true? "I saw it on youtube, so I believe it." Jerks.

Nosses tests are nothing more than yet another "look at me look at me" mindset that is sweeping the world like a cancerous growth these days.

I would submit that anyone who based their knife buying on knifetests probably shouldn’t be even going out into the field, and is sadly lacking in the perfect tool mentioned in paragraph one.

 

[remmmm]

CaptInsano - Is it really your mother under the hockey mask?? I can't believe the time and energy you are putting into defending someone you likely don't even know.

I honestly don't get either side of this argument. I really don't get the fanboys like CaptInsano that act like they are defending Jesus Christ himself from persecution. But I also don't exactly get the people that act like he is personally slapping their mother ever time he does another test.

 

[CaptInsano]

CaptInsano - Is it really your mother under the hockey mask?? I can't believe the time and energy you are putting into defending someone you likely don't even know.


I honestly don't get either side of this argument. I really don't get the fanboys like CaptInsano that act like they are defending Jesus Christ himself from persecution. But I also don't exactly get the people that act like he is personally slapping their mother ever time he does another test.

What time and energy? I think you might overestimate what it takes to construct such a post. Your hyperbole doesn't really make sense in this instance..

 

[Guyon]

CI, if you were a member and could search BFC, I'd advise you read some of the Nozzinator's early posts here.
Then, you'd get some of the antipathy that exists toward him. BTW, if I didn't know better, I'd say you are just a little offended.

 

[CaptInsano]

CI, if you were a member and could search BFC, I'd advise you read some of the Nozzinator's early posts here.
Then, you'd get some of the antipathy that exists toward him. BTW, if I didn't know better, I'd say you are just a little offended.

I'm not particularly concerned with what he said. What does concern me are people who could insult other members for 5 pages and then feign concern over insulting other members when someone disrupts their dogpile. I wouldn't say offended, but I am irritated by arguments based on so much emotion and so little reason. Just one of those things, I guess.

 

[Guyon]

The Nozzinator does not put out videos to appeal to people's logic. You could tell that from his first posts here at BFC, as he was getting knifetests off and pounding.

Based on all the fans I've seen at BFC who argue that X knife is "better" than Y knife based on the Nozzinator's destructions, I reason that he's been a detriment to this community in that regard. YMMV.