http://www.knifetests.com/ not kind to BK9 Knife

Umm Guyon... I wish i was you.... lol.

I actually like Noss's tests. I dont see why people bash him. He likes testing knives to destruction. Its a hobby.

In fact, his test convinced me to buy the BK-9. I love the design, the handle, and weight of the BK-9, and if it can chop brick, wood will be no problem. Yea, it might not be as tough as my Dog Father, but I don't need to to be.

The BK- 9 is not a thick knife. In my eyes, it a chopper and a cutter. I wont ask it to baton through 9 inch diameter logs, 6.5 is my limit. It aint a Busse FFBM (which is extremly expensive) or a Scrap Yard DF,(Cheap, but impossible to acquire) but it still a GREAT knife. Probably the best or one of the best knives for the money. Its 70 bucks on Amazon, it half the price of the scrap yard, and 1/8th the price of the Busse.
 
remmmm said:
So you pretty much have the biggest collection of Beckers other then Ethan Becker himself...
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Actually, no. The biggest collection of Beckers I know of belongs to Bladite.
I've thinned that herd in the picture a bit, but I do still have users in every model that Ethan produced. :thumbup:

Response by Bladite:
I've never owned a Bussee... if someone wants to send me a couple... ;)

Been collecting Becker almost as long as Ethan has been making them. They "clicked" when I got my first MachAx in hard-chrome. Awesome knives. Wow, that was a long time ago ;)

and Guyon, you're now officially missing a couple *produced* Beckers... only because they are new and NOT quite officially out yet. Perhaps soon :> Heh.

There are a few Becker variants I don't have yet... Maybe one of these days.

Bladite
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Response to response: Bladite, if you edit my posts to insert a response without any indication, it gets kind of confusing for the reader. Even I was scratching my head for a minute and saying, "Did I write that?" I re-edited for clarity. The only reason I've seen moderators edit posts at BFC is to remove offensive material.

Now if you'd like to send me a proto or three.... :D

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Vicarious Reality said:
Knifetests.com as i understand it, is there to test knifes that were designed for hard survival type use.
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imho, in a hard survival situation, the last thing i'd want to do is destroy my knife by chopping rocks or something... unless my very life depending on it... but then i'd have lost my knife mostly likely doing that... so, better have a backup :)

one is none, two is one...


Bladite
 
Vicarious Reality said:
Toughness vs Slicing ability
You can not have both.

If you make a big 10'' wood chopping blade out of zdp-189 or a similar steel at about rockwell 69 you are probably going to have a broken blade in mere moments while using it.

If you make a small thumb-length knife for slicing paper and such, out of spring steel at about rockwell 40 you are going to have a very dull slicing blade that doesn't perform very well for very long.

As for the holes in the tang in Becker knives i will just say that less material means less strength. Unlike Mr. Becker or his company seem to think.

But the issue with that is, is the extra steel really necessary for the task the knife is designed for?

I am appalled by the behaviour of many of you.
Knifetests.com as i understand it, is there to test knifes that were designed for hard survival type use.
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I should know better, but I can't help it. Any knife maker is not going to design a knife to fail its intended chores by steel choice. I'm not sure where you are going with this. Please explain

Show me how in the intended use of a knife, even a properly tapered or skeletonized tang demonstrates catastrophic weakness by way of less material. If this was true every Becker knife that broke/failed would break at the hole right?

Your post was the only in this thread that had me anywhere near appalled.

I do not know much about Noss, but I know his tests got me more interested in the products he reviewed, pass or fail. If he continues to do testing, I will continue to stop by and watch him burn money. Why he rates them I do not know. It is all relative. Of course a Marine K-bar is going to look like a turd next to Battle Mistress when you start beating on it with a steel hammer. Nothing that hasn't been said before.
 
survival is not about chopping cinder blocks or rocks with possibly your only tool.

Nosses tests are nothing more than yet another "look at me look at me" mindset that is sweeping the world like a cancerous growth these days. They demonstrate nothing more than "hey if you beat on a knife with a steel hammer and chop rock and cinders your knife will break". Something a 3 y/o could figure out.

Anyone with even a few brain cells firing, would realize that you do not ABUSE your tools in the wilderness, ESPECIALLY in a survival situation. Sadly that COMMON SENSE is lost on todays "MEMEME" "LOOK AT ME" internet generation
 
Jake Bauer said:
I guess your not in a real survival situation until you have to kill a few cinder blocks...
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It was one of the most terrifying times of my life, that's for sure. There we were, out in the middle of nowhere, when we were surrounded by a pack of viscous, snarling cinder blocks... and they were closing in for the kill. Well, sir, we did the only thing that could be done; we grabbed our Beckers and bashed those bad blocks to smithereens. Couldn't of done it without our Beckers, no sir. Yep, now that there was a true survival situation, but I'm here to tell you that, when blocks go wild and attack like that, ya better have a Becker. Don't you go listenin' to that there fool over at that there site. I'm here to tell you that Becker's are better block bashers. You ain't been in no survival situation till you've had to kill a few blocks.

That's all I have to say about that.
 
I like Noss's destruction tests. They let you know what kinds of things the knife can stand up to, even though the tests are very narrow. Busse and some Cold Steel knives do very well in these tests, and there's nothing magical about those knives, so why not? I would want my camp knife to be able to stand up to abuse for peace of mind, even though I don't use my knives that way.
 
Bladite said:
imho, in a hard survival situation, the last thing i'd want to do is destroy my knife by chopping rocks or something... unless my very life depending on it... but then i'd have lost my knife mostly likely doing that
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I guess that's right. You probably would have lost yours. :cool:
 
lets see.......if i want to bust up cinder blocks and rocks, i use a 5lb sledge and a rock chisel. Proper tool for the job and all you know?
 
why yes, because one never knows when one might run into cinderblocks in the woods.....lol
 
Pretending as though you'll always have the tool most suited for the requisite task at hand does not reflect the real world either.
 
CaptInsano said:
Pretending as though you'll always have the tool most suited for the requisite task at hand does not reflect the real world either.
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Well, actually, you have the perfect tool for the situation at hand: your brain. If you’ve used it at all before finding yourself in a survival situation, you’ve realized that what you see at knifetests is sensationalism for entertainment, nothing more, and will have chosen a knife for use in the widest variety of real world situations.

Do you really care that knifetests shows that a knife — any knife — can be deliberately destroyed, utilizing methods that are so improbable in the field as to be statistically impossible? If a person actually believes that their knife has to withstand being secured in a vise and beaten on by a ten-pound sledge, or beaten through cinder blocks, before being usable in the field, they have a problem. A big problem, because those things are not going to occur in the field... not unless you bring your own vise and blocks, and that wouldn’t be a survival situation, now would it.

I would submit that anyone who based their knife buying on knifetests probably shouldn’t be even going out into the field, and is sadly lacking in the perfect tool mentioned in paragraph one.

Any knife can be made to excel — or fail — depending on how the tests are rigged on knifetests. Did I say “rigged”? Yep, sure did. Even if it’s not done deliberately, the tests are not exactly scientific: they’re not repeatable, and are rigged in that manner. Depends on where you chuck the blade into the vise, where you strike it with the sledge, and with how much force, etc.

With the exception of the single terrifying instance I wrote about a couple of posts above this, I’ve never heard of anyone being attacked by cinder blocks in the wild, nor by vises, either, come to think about it. I may, in fact, have imagined that attack, leaving us with no recorded cinder block attacks.

All this leads me to believe that my Becker’s are great tools for real life use — as good as any other knife on the planet — for the things I do. That may be because I try to employ the tool mentioned in paragraph one.

Works for me. I mean, it really works for me. YMMV.
 
dawsonbob said:
Well, actually, you have the perfect tool for the situation at hand: your brain. If you’ve used it at all before finding yourself in a survival situation, you’ve realized that what you see at knifetests is sensationalism for entertainment, nothing more, and will have chosen a knife for use in the widest variety of real world situations.
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Yes, I will have. You will have chosen a knife for use in a narrower variety of real world situations. A semantic distraction from the discussion of knives will not help in the support of your argument.

dawsonbob said:
Do you really care that knifetests shows that a knife — any knife — can be deliberately destroyed, utilizing methods that are so improbable in the field as to be statistically impossible? If a person actually believes that their knife has to withstand being secured in a vise and beaten on by a ten-pound sledge, or beaten through cinder blocks, before being usable in the field, they have a problem. A big problem, because those things are not going to occur in the field... not unless you bring your own vise and blocks, and that wouldn’t be a survival situation, now would it.
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Everyone knows any knife can be destroyed. That is not the point of the tests. You are unclear about the objective, so I will explain it to you in more simple terms. The objective is not to destroy the knives. The objective is to see how much the knives can withstand before they are destroyed. Being completely oblivious to a distinction this obvious and basic implies a serious lack of consideration.

dawsonbob said:
I would submit that anyone who based their knife buying on knifetests probably shouldn’t be even going out into the field, and is sadly lacking in the perfect tool mentioned in paragraph one.
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Then you would submit it without intelligent reasoning to accompany it.

dawsonbob said:
Any knife can be made to excel — or fail — depending on how the tests are rigged on knifetests. Did I say “rigged”? Yep, sure did. Even if it’s not done deliberately, the tests are not exactly scientific: they’re not repeatable, and are rigged in that manner. Depends on where you chuck the blade into the vise, where you strike it with the sledge, and with how much force, etc.
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The tests are not scientific. The knives are not treated identically, they are treated similarly, yielding rough estimates. Repeatability is questionable, but not completely unlikely and there is no indication of intentional rigging. You have no evidence to support the contrary and the accusation is nothing more than a gross manifestation of your unreasoned partiality.

dawsonbob said:
With the exception of the single terrifying instance I wrote about a couple of posts above this, I’ve never heard of anyone being attacked by cinder blocks in the wild, nor by vises, either, come to think about it. I may, in fact, have imagined that attack, leaving us with no recorded cinder block attacks.
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Clearly you have some basic lack of understanding in this area and I would like to help you. What specifically confuses you about the concept of simulation?

dawsonbob said:
All this leads me to believe that my Becker’s are great tools for real life use — as good as any other knife on the planet — for the things I do.
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I'm sure that they are fantastic tools.

dawsonbob said:
That may be because I try to employ the tool mentioned in paragraph one.

Works for me. I mean, it really works for me. YMMV.
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That's debatable to say the least. ;)
 
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