http://www.knifetests.com/ not kind to BK9 Knife

but what's the best knife for cutting a hockey mask in half? :)
 
Can we say "Bogus," boys and girls? Knifetests has nothing even remotely related to real world usage. It's sensationalism at its worst.
 
The masks make the whole affair seem hokey. I laughed at this one like I laugh at all his tests. Let's all not forget that he himself calls these "Destruction Test" and that title in itself implies that the goal is to destroy a knife. So that must be why he chooses to use "tests" that are designed to destroy a knife. What's funny is since he "tests" knives by using them for purposes even a survival knife may not be designed for, one has to wonder why it takes him so long to find a way to destroy a knife. I mean, shouldn't any intelligent human be able to destroy a knife the first time? Why build up to the destruction? :) I mean, chopping a cinder block? In any situation, why would we need to chop a cinder block when they break so easily in real life? He could have spine whacked that cinder block from the side in that vise one time and broken it in half so unless he is trying to create cinder dust on purpose, the cinder block test is pretty much worthless apart from the goal of destroying a good knife via a "Destruction Test".
 
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Reeek said:
The masks make the whole affair seem hokey. I laughed at this one like I laugh at all his tests. Let's all not forget that he himsefl calls these "Destruction Test" and that title in itself implies that the goal is to destroy a knife. So that must be why he chooses to use "tests" that are designed to destroy a knife. What's funny is since he "tests" knives by using them for purposes even a survival knife may not be designed for, one has to wonder why it takes him so long to find a way to destroy a knife. I mean, shouldn't any intelligent human be able to destroy a knife the first time? Why build up to the destruction? :) I mean, chopping a cinder block? In any situation, why would we need to chop a cinder block when they break so easily in real life? He could have spine whacked that cinder block from the side in that vise one time and broken it in half so unless he is trying to create cinder dust on purpose, the cinder block test is pretty much worthless apart from the goal of destroying a good knife via a "Destruction Test".
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well, there's the youtube thing with Blendtec and "Will It Blend", and they put their blenders through all kinds of torture blending marbles, rocks, cell phones, chuck norris, and stuff. all in good fun...

maybe we should send them a BK-02 and find out: Will It Blend...

certainly, a hockey mask and a jason action figure will :)


Bladite
 
Bladite said:
well, there's the youtube thing with Blendtec and "Will It Blend", and they put their blenders through all kinds of torture blending marbles, rocks, cell phones, chuck norris, and stuff. all in good fun...

maybe we should send them a BK-02 and find out: Will It Blend...

certainly, a hockey mask and a jason action figure will :)


Bladite
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I'd pay good money (yours, not mine) to see them try to blend a BK-2. So long blender.
 
Knifetests.com is much like Man vs. Wild, IMO. Each is mostly entertainment, with a thin veneer of borderline authenticity. Folks get all worked up over both of them, but in my view they are both just entertainment that do not merit any vitriol. Knifetests does not purport to be a doctoral thesis on metallurgy. If someone think they are stupid, then they are real easy to avoid - just don't watch. JMO.
 
Ethan Becker said:
Thanks for working this thing out.....I have been trying to figure out how to STAMP out this little brush fire before you all went over the CLIFF with it.... What I really would like to do is give Noss a free trip to visit Larry Harley or Steve Schwarzer's for a week(I doubt he would survive the week at Schwarzers, so maybe that is a bad idea) and then a visit to Marty Simon's or Ron Hood's schools......What I see in Noss's videos is testing based on a very narrow knowledge base.....If somehow he could or would expand that base he might be able to do all of knifedom a favor with his tests....Broos is very right about REAL testing procedures, I had to do a bunch of truly comparative, quantifiable and destructive tests when in the mountain climbing business and I had real incentive to do it right because I climbed on the stuff I tested and made...I felt it was only fair......

When I do tests of knives (others as well as my own) I have a fairly good idea in advance how much stress a given steel in a given thickness at a given Rockwell is likely to take.....And unless I am feeling bloody minded or in need of a little therapy I do not push the knife over the edge.....I am more interested in the ergs ie., balance, feel, chopping ease,"slicability", edge retention vs. sharpening ease, etc, etc, etc.....These are for the most part not easily quantifiable in numbers, but, are really quite subjective and so are impressions NOT "test results"...Anyway....Noss if you are cruising this thread please private message me and I will see if I can assist you in broadening your horizons for all of our sakes...If you really have Knifedom's good at heart let us help...If you should come to visit I will NOT make you take the mask off and I really do not give a tinkers damn who you really are.....

I will be at SHOT all next week so please either PM before sunday afternoon or give me until a week from tuesday to get back to you.....

All Best....

ethan
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Well said Mr. Becker but Mr. Busse think completely different!!! Why?
 
demoteamone said:
Well said Mr. Becker but Mr. Busse think completely different!!! Why?
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My guess is that Mr. Busse knows there is a market for "indestructible" blades. There are sacrifices when going for the "toughest" blade out there. A lot of "tough" knives have thicker edges and are just bigger knives. I'm sure there are manufacturers that know if they get a reputation for making some of the "toughest" knives, they'll have sales.
 
I, personally, could not care less what Busse believes, or doesn't believe.

Busse has a great steel: no question about that. There's nothing magical about it, it's just a very good steel. There are other good steels around that are very close to Infi. Not the same, perhaps, but very good. That — the steel — is, from my standpoint, the only thing I like about Busse's... but that's a personal thing.

I don't, for instance, really care if a Busse blade is somewhat better at chopping concrete blocks. Yes, the steel holds up somewhat better than 1095, but so what? I don't buy a knife to chop concrete — nor do I buy a knife to lock in a safe, because it's too expensive to use. I buy knives to use, and I expect value in my knives. Value. That means getting the most for my money, and to me, that means Becker.

I'm sure Mr. Busse is proud of his knives, and that they fare better at chopping concrete. I'm sure Mr. Busse likes the absurd things that Noss does to knives. Me? I'm not impressed. I don't see any actual value there.

If I'm going to chop concrete, I'll use the proper tool, thank you. It's really stupid to brag about how well your screwdriver works as a hammer: so what? Hammer's work better for that task. Use your screwdriver to drive screws that's what it's made for.

For me, I'll take a Becker over a Busse any day. Why? Because I buy my knives to cut with. A $1,500 Busse won't cut a featherstick or a trap notch any better than a $65 Becker — I guarantee it. Ask yourself which is the better value?

In about two minutes you can expect a flood of Busse fanatics in here crying foul. How can I possibly compare a Becker to a Busse? Well, it's pretty easy, really. I buy knives to use, to cut with, and neither knife will cut any better than the other. Value? I'll go with Becker every time. Busse? Well, I don't think the emperor has any clothes.

These are just my personal opinions, of course. YMMV.
 
dawsonbob said:
I, personally, could not care less what Busse believes, or doesn't believe.

Busse has a great steel: no question about that. There's nothing magical about it, it's just a very good steel. There are other good steels around that are very close to Infi. Not the same, perhaps, but very good. That — the steel — is, from my standpoint, the only thing I like about Busse's... but that's a personal thing.

I don't, for instance, really care if a Busse blade is somewhat better at chopping concrete blocks. Yes, the steel holds up somewhat better than 1095, but so what? I don't buy a knife to chop concrete — nor do I buy a knife to lock in a safe, because it's too expensive to use. I buy knives to use, and I expect value in my knives. Value. That means getting the most for my money, and to me, that means Becker.

I'm sure Mr. Busse is proud of his knives, and that they fare better at chopping concrete. I'm sure Mr. Busse likes the absurd things that Noss does to knives. Me? I'm not impressed. I don't see any actual value there.

If I'm going to chop concrete, I'll use the proper tool, thank you. It's really stupid to brag about how well your screwdriver works as a hammer: so what? Hammer's work better for that task. Use your screwdriver to drive screws that's what it's made for.

For me, I'll take a Becker over a Busse any day. Why? Because I buy my knives to cut with. A $1,500 Busse won't cut a featherstick or a trap notch any better than a $65 Becker — I guarantee it. Ask yourself which is the better value?

In about two minutes you can expect a flood of Busse fanatics in here crying foul. How can I possibly compare a Becker to a Busse? Well, it's pretty easy, really. I buy knives to use, to cut with, and neither knife will cut any better than the other. Value? I'll go with Becker every time. Busse? Well, I don't think the emperor has any clothes.

These are just my personal opinions, of course. YMMV.
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I agree with you. Love some of the Busse's I've had in the past and want to get some of their knives in the future but for now I'm sticking with ESEE knives (formerly Rat Cutlery) and Becker for my go to blades. If I need to smash concrete I have some Hammer Poll hawks that will work just fine and a good hammer.

Personally I like that there are so many knives out there. This gives us users a chance to pick the one or ones that work for us. I too found that Busse is good but for my uses my BK-9 did everything I wanted from a 9" Blade so I sold my SwampRat Camp Tramp. Do miss my old style Busse Satin Jack though. Replaced it with an H.I. Kumar Karda and am very happy with that knife. :)

Heber
 
Thanks, Heber. It's refreshing to find a Busse owner, or former owner, who sees a knife for what it is: a tool.

I'm with you in that I'm happy that there are so many knives to choose from out there, and one can find just what one wants in a knife.

Personally, at this time of my life, I favor Beckers, Rats — excuse me, ESEE — and I'd like to try a couple of the new Condor's, too: I'm Jonesing for the new carbon bolo. All of those are good, serviceable knives at reasonable prices: good values, all.
 
Well said, dawsonbob. I don't have any "Busse" knives, but I do own a fair number of Scrap Yard and Swamp Rat knives. They're great knives, but there is definitely a place for Beckers. I only have a BK2, and good heavens, that thing is built like a tank! I'd like more Beckers when finances permit.

I found it funny that you said Busse fanatics would say "how can you compare a Busse to a Becker?!" The same could be said to them from the Becker side of things. As much as I like my Scrap Yard and Swamp Rat knives, a BK9 at ~$70 sounds more appealing to me than the current Busse equivalent at $350 to $400 dollars. Value is becoming more important to me these days. With that said, I recently bought a Chris Reeve Shadow IV due to the discontinuation of those. I'm sure many here have seen the fecal fest surrounding Chris Reeve knives. For heaven's sake! It's a knife and I intend on using it as... a knife!
 
Busses... Beckers. It's all good. :D

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Guyon said:
Busses... Beckers. It's all good. :D

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I've seen the Busse pic before, but that collection of Beckers is ridiculous. So you pretty much have the biggest collection of Beckers other then Ethan Becker himself...

BTW - if you ever sell one of the Rat Daddys, I call dibs :D
 
Wow, Guyon! I looked at your collections and thought about how much better of a car I could drive for the amount of money you have invested in knives! Nice collection!
 
roughedges said:
knifetests.com is unfortunate proof that any fool with a camera and the ability to purchase a domain name can fancy himself an expert and will find plenty that are uninformed enough to agree with and defend said fool's imaginary expertise.
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+1..................heck, +1,000,000.
When are people going to wake up and realize this to be true? "I saw it on youtube, so I believe it." Jerks. About as much credibility on "spewpube" as in those kooky tabloids for sale on the racks of the grocery store check out lines.
 
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