Hype vs. Honesty

[DngrRuss1]

You have plenty of time to make all kinds of posts in the past few months. But you can't give us the details that will bring down all other knife companies and raise Cold Steal on a pedestal as the sole savior of Knifedom.

Come on lets hear it, we don't care what you say but lets hear it. Don't hide behind your family to stall for time. It's apparently so important that it's all you seem to care about here and the sole reason your here on Bladeforum.

First of all- screw you. And I mean that with all the love and respect that one might assume.

I have the sneaking suspicion that you might not cop such a tude if we were in the same room. I don't hide behind my family, I care for and take care of my family. Just cuz your daddy didn't show you enough love, don't expect me to do the same- especially to satisfy the adolescent needs of a group of anonymous knife-geek CS haters.

Funny how you say you guys don't care, but someone drummed up 2 old threads just to challenge me to speak out more. Hmm... are you guys that bored? I would think that watching the Home Shopping Kife Show and touching yourselves would be more entertaining than trying to pick a fight with me, but, I have been wrong before.

And, for the record, I never said that I was going to try to bring down the other knife companies and put CS up on a pedestal, I just believe that more than one opinion- especially when that one opinion is often loaded with misinformation- should be presented here.

You don't like it- go pound sand.

 

[Rat Finkenstein]

Haha! You must be drinking.

I am.

If I invite LT to dinner will he fly out here to eat at taco bell with me, and throw Torpedos at the pimple-faced employees?

I hope so.

Fierce eyes!

 

[NIB]

Let's revisit your first post on this thread........

I know that many of the knuts here are quite particular about their purchases and collections. I understand that many of you are fans of one company or designer over another, and no amount of discussion and debate will make you change your mind- like Ford vs. Chevy.

However, I wonder whether or not your loyalties are blind and unswerving, or do things like honesty and integrity really matter when making your choices and forming opinions?

I ask this rather obtuse question for a particular reason. Some of you may recognize my forum handle from other threads. I have defended Cold Steel rather aggresively against the CS haters and detractors. In my defenses, I have noticed words like Honor and Integrity being bandied about rather liberally by the haters when trying to slam CS, it's staff, and it's practices. I am wondering if other companies, the ones that you sing the praises of and rally behind, were showing less honorable or honest practices than you accuse CS of, would you still step in line with them and spew our venom at CS, or would you acknowledge that isn't the devil of the knife industry.

I have not mentioned other knife manufacturers in any negative fashion in my previous posts. I had not planned to. But I am getting some information that I am verifying (to the best of my ability) that might shed some light on some of these other manufacturers that is not very positive.

Again, this thread is addressed more to the CS Haters, not those that maintain an open mind. Those who have a mean gut reaction to CS and like to either poke fun at the staff or make wildly innacurate blanket statements (like CS are a bunch of ripoff artists, their products don't match the hype, etc.) without any real evidence- other than opinion- have always struck me as being one-sided and yet seem to be the loudest voice.

I wonder if you are willi ng to be just as vicious with other companies when those companies motives and integrity are called into question.

Be patient- I'll have more soon

You fired the first shots and so far your still trying to reload.

First of all- screw you. And I mean that with all the love and respect that one might assume.

I have the sneaking suspicion that you might not cop such a tude if we were in the same room. I don't hide behind my family, I care for and take care of my family. Just cuz your daddy didn't show you enough love, don't expect me to do the same- especially to satisfy the adolescent needs of a group of anonymous knife-geek CS haters.

Funny how you say you guys don't care, but someone drummed up 2 old threads just to challenge me to speak out more. Hmm... are you guys that bored? I would think that watching the Home Shopping Kife Show and touching yourselves would be more entertaining than trying to pick a fight with me, but, I have been wrong before.

And, for the record, I never said that I was going to try to bring down the other knife companies and put CS up on a pedestal, I just believe that more than one opinion- especially when that one opinion is often loaded with misinformation- should be presented here.

You don't like it- go pound sand.

You can't stand the flames then get the hell out!

I could care less what you say about me or my dad cause I'm secure enough to not gives a damn what anyone else says about me.

 

[zenheretic]

Hey, I've been doing a little math here, and I see you have posted in this thread you started 8 months ago. Seems to me, you consider it alive and worth posting. As NIB pointed out, you still haven't delivered on your promise for dirt. Where is the dirt? I'm honestly beginning to think you are all hype.

 

[3Guardsmen]

First of all- screw you. And I mean that with all the love and respect that one might assume.

I have the sneaking suspicion that you might not cop such a tude if we were in the same room. I don't hide behind my family, I care for and take care of my family. Just cuz your daddy didn't show you enough love, don't expect me to do the same- especially to satisfy the adolescent needs of a group of anonymous knife-geek CS haters.

Funny how you say you guys don't care, but someone drummed up 2 old threads just to challenge me to speak out more. Hmm... are you guys that bored? I would think that watching the Home Shopping Kife Show and touching yourselves would be more entertaining than trying to pick a fight with me, but, I have been wrong before.

And, for the record, I never said that I was going to try to bring down the other knife companies and put CS up on a pedestal, I just believe that more than one opinion- especially when that one opinion is often loaded with misinformation- should be presented here.

You don't like it- go pound sand.

Well, since I was the one who "drummed up" the "2 old threads", I think I should respond to what you have stated. Contrary to what you wrote, I don't want to "pick a fight" with you. I just want the information you stated would be forthcoming......8 months ago. I never said that I "didn't care", because I do (care). If other knife companies are acting dishonestly or inappropriately, I want to know, as it will affect my purchasing decisions. So, by all means, bring forth the information you stated you would.

Regards,
3G

 

[DaveH]

I think it's a scheme by DngrRuss1 to entice us to read what he writes.

I think he not only never had any "dirt" no such "dirt" exists. He's using "dirt" as a hook to get attention for what he writes, otherwise we would have ignored him from the beginning.

Now that people have pointed out the failure of this scheme, he gets all grumpy.

Further, he claims it takes time to get the info, no it doesn't. If you have contacts, like he claims, you call them up and ask for the info. You don't skulk around chatting people up hoping that the "dirt" will falls into your hands. It's yet another demonstration of his dishonesty.

DngrRuss1 claimed he was going to give us informational ass beating, well he hasn't, he's no different then a mall ninja caliming to be schooled in some kind of martial arts. He's a poser.

 

[DngrRuss1]

If you dorks can't do the math, that is not my fault.

"CS Love 'em..." is the follow up thread to this one- with answers to the issues posed here. I did not bring this thread back to life. Don't put it in my lap.

 

[DngrRuss1]

Wow-
Okay- let's try to sort this out. On Nov. 18, 2005, I started this thread. On the first post, I said "I'll have more soon". I then posted more on this thread with what info I had, as well as just debating the points of other posters until December.

I started "CS- love 'em..." on April 23rd, 2006 with a rather long rant with, guess what, "more" than I had on this thread.

Now for those of you who didn't do well in school, April of 2006 comes after December of 2005. Therefore I did fulfill what I said I would do. I have since posted on that thread with more facts and debate, but on July 16th, 2006, 3Guardsman pulled this thread up, pulled a quote from the FIRST post, and implied that I had just left it at that. Well, I hadn't. I am still here. I did exactly what I said I would do- maybe not moutains of expose' but I didn't promise mountains.

C'mon guys. If you are going to slam me and my motives- at least get the chronology straight. BTW, chronology is not a superhero, is not a new "supersteel", and was not patented by Enrie Emerson. It is an understanding of how time is measured... just FYI

I am going to put this same post on the other thread mentioned. So mods, how about closing this thread for those who can't read a clock or calander?

 

[DaveH]

So you are admitting that it's not a a matter of time or being too busy, it's that you never had any info to begin with. And now you want the thread closed because you can't live up to what you said you where going to do.

:yawn:

 

[G3]

Wow-
Okay- let's try to sort this out. On Nov. 18, 2005, I started this thread. On the first post, I said "I'll have more soon". I then posted more on this thread with what info I had, as well as just debating the points of other posters until December.

I started "CS- love 'em..." on April 23rd, 2006 with a rather long rant with, guess what, "more" than I had on this thread.

Now for those of you who didn't do well in school, April of 2006 comes after December of 2005. Therefore I did fulfill what I said I would do. I have since posted on that thread with more facts and debate, but on July 16th, 2006, 3Guardsman pulled this thread up, pulled a quote from the FIRST post, and implied that I had just left it at that. Well, I hadn't. I am still here. I did exactly what I said I would do- maybe not moutains of expose' but I didn't promise mountains.

C'mon guys. If you are going to slam me and my motives- at least get the chronology straight. BTW, chronology is not a superhero, is not a new "supersteel", and was not patented by Enrie Emerson. It is an understanding of how time is measured... just FYI

I am going to put this same post on the other thread mentioned. So mods, how about closing this thread for those who can't read a clock or calander?

Then why didn't you just say that before?

 

[DGG]

I know that many of the knuts here are quite particular about their purchases and collections. I understand that many of you are fans of one company or designer over another, and no amount of discussion and debate will make you change your mind- like Ford vs. Chevy.

However, I wonder whether or not your loyalties are blind and unswerving, or do things like honesty and integrity really matter when making your choices and forming opinions?

I ask this rather obtuse question for a particular reason. Some of you may recognize my forum handle from other threads. I have defended Cold Steel rather aggresively against the CS haters and detractors. In my defenses, I have noticed words like Honor and Integrity being bandied about rather liberally by the haters when trying to slam CS, it's staff, and it's practices. I am wondering if other companies, the ones that you sing the praises of and rally behind, were showing less honorable or honest practices than you accuse CS of, would you still step in line with them and spew our venom at CS, or would you acknowledge that isn't the devil of the knife industry.

I have not mentioned other knife manufacturers in any negative fashion in my previous posts. I had not planned to. But I am getting some information that I am verifying (to the best of my ability) that might shed some light on some of these other manufacturers that is not very positive.

Again, this thread is addressed more to the CS Haters, not those that maintain an open mind. Those who have a mean gut reaction to CS and like to either poke fun at the staff or make wildly innacurate blanket statements (like CS are a bunch of ripoff artists, their products don't match the hype, etc.) without any real evidence- other than opinion- have always struck me as being one-sided and yet seem to be the loudest voice.

I wonder if you are willi ng to be just as vicious with other companies when those companies motives and integrity are called into question.

Be patient- I'll have more soon

There are clicky little groups of knife owners where ownership is a gang-type badge that gives you admission to the special world of whatever. They pay way to much for the membership, IMHO.

What I want to know is how does the blade compare to others doing the same type of work for which it is designed. If it does the job efficiently I don't give a hoot who made it, its a good knife.

 

[Halfneck]

I work as a Clinical Lead with 4 Clinics 40-50 hours a week. Currently have a part-time job, 12-14 hours, at a local Pharmacy to assist with start-up costs for my wife opening her own Child Therapy office. Come the end of August I will start back at night class working on a Clinical Admin degree. Have 2 small boys, aged 5 & 3. Get about an average of 7 hours of sleep. Still find time to check out my various gun & knife forums.

You apparently have a bit of info on CS, both their employees & products, that you feel could change people's viewpoint. Granted there are those who will not care regardless but others might.I'm interested because I like knives and CS makes knives. Granted I don't see eye-to-eye with some of their policies and I think LT can be a bit over the top. That said, I have one of the original CS kuhkris that has given me good service.

Remember you are the one who threw down the gauntlet, we're just waiting for you to pick it up.

 

[3Guardsmen]

If you dorks can't do the math, that is not my fault.

"CS Love 'em..." is the follow up thread to this one- with answers to the issues posed here. I did not bring this thread back to life. Don't put it in my lap.

Once again, DngrRuss1, can you please quote/show where I have called you any names? For a guy who does a whole lotta whining about the "abuse" and "name-calling" he takes here, you sure don't mind dishing it out.

Regards,
3G

 

[3Guardsmen]

Wow-
Okay- let's try to sort this out. On Nov. 18, 2005, I started this thread. On the first post, I said "I'll have more soon". I then posted more on this thread with what info I had, as well as just debating the points of other posters until December.

Where? Lets see it!

I started "CS- love 'em..." on April 23rd, 2006 with a rather long rant with, guess what, "more" than I had on this thread.

Lets see the info you provided that would "call the integrity of other knife companies into question"?

Now for those of you who didn't do well in school, April of 2006 comes after December of 2005. Therefore I did fulfill what I said I would do. I have since posted on that thread with more facts and debate, but on July 16th, 2006, 3Guardsman pulled this thread up, pulled a quote from the FIRST post, and implied that I had just left it at that. Well, I hadn't. I am still here. I did exactly what I said I would do- maybe not moutains of expose' but I didn't promise mountains.

Where? Quote the post where you provided the information you stated you would.

C'mon guys. If you are going to slam me and my motives- at least get the chronology straight. BTW, chronology is not a superhero, is not a new "supersteel", and was not patented by Enrie Emerson. It is an understanding of how time is measured... just FYI

Forget the chronology! Where's the info?

I am going to put this same post on the other thread mentioned. So mods, how about closing this thread for those who can't read a clock or calander?

I bet you'd like to see this thread closed. Where is the information?

Let us look at your exact words in your first post, in the thread YOU started:

I have not mentioned other knife manufacturers in any negative fashion in my previous posts. I had not planned to. But I am getting some information that I am verifying (to the best of my ability) that might shed some light on some of these other manufacturers that is not very positive.

I wonder if you are willi ng to be just as vicious with other companies when those companies motives and integrity are called into question.

Be patient- I'll have more soon

Notice that the poster stated he would provide information on "knife manufaturers", and "other companies". That little "s" at the end of the words, "companies" and "manufacturers", makes it plural, not singular.

If you can, DngrRuss1, post a link to where you made good on your promise? I would like to see where you "called into question" the integrity of "other companies". Lets see it!

Funny that you now state that you provided the information you stated you would, yet just a couple of days ago you had the following things to say:

Posted on 07-17-2006, 01:40 PM

For those who seem to be waiting:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3852509&postcount=132

Patience....

Posted on 07-17-2006, 02:17 PM

The best I can give you is "as soon as possible". Let me knock on a few doors and make a few calls. Takes time. But I should have some more soon.

Though, again, the thread I linked above did follow this one, and I addressed some of those issues in that thread. But I will try to get more soon.

Posted on 07-18-2006, 10:59 PM

And to those that don't like my time schedule and seem to be waiting for my next response- be patient. When I get inof, I will present it. But my time and life does not revolve around BF and if I am not fast enough for you guys, then I am sorry but that is the way it is.

Funny how I make a lot of statements and opinions and you haters choose to only harp on a couple of weak points and my lack of expedience to try to discredit me.

Good luck...

Funniest thing I've read! After 8 months of waiting, "lack of expedience"! LOL :thumbup: And now, after stating that you were working on getting the information you stated you would provide, you have somehow "fulfilled" what you stated you would? Strange! Where did you do that?


Still waiting,
3G

 

[3Guardsmen]

Still waiting for the info, DngrRuss1.

Regards,
3G

 

[3Guardsmen]

BTT

Still waiting for the info, DngrRuss1.

Regards,
3G

 

[MacTech]

Just on a whim, i went to the CS website to see what all the hype was about, went there as an impartial observer, a well educated Knut, but i have no axe to grind with CS

watching clips from their "Proof" videos, i was underwhelmed for many reasons.....

first off, they use excessive force to cut the free-hanging rope, full arm swings, imparting a *lot* of kinetic energy into the rope, i'd hazard a guess that *any* stout folder could do that, it's less about the knife than it is about overwhelming brute force, i could perform the same cuts with a lawnmower blade (a decidedly *UN*sophisticated blade) and get the same results

the car hood demo relies only on tip strength and spine thickness, it says nothing about the cutting performance, just the piercing performance, again, the same test could be performed with a pointed metal spike or a lawnmower blade. again, it's all about the brute-force kinetic energy used

the spinewhack tests were performed on a small pine board, pine is a very soft wood and will easily deform under the large amount of kinetic energy involved

the meat tests, again, kinetic energy is the prime factor, any blade driven at that speed and with that amount of force would yield similar results, yep, even a lawnmower blade

the cardboard cut out chopping tests *do* rely on edge sharpness, but once again, given the speed and kinetic force expended, any knife would perform similarly

the lock strength tests i'm not so sure of, 100 pounds of force doesn't seem like all that much, and the clips show no more than a few seconds duration, weight will weaken the lock over time, how do we know that the knife didn't fail seconds after the test was completed.....

i'm not only singling out CS here, i feel *any* grandiose claim needs to be researched, which is why i've increased the agressiveness of my Spyderco Salt series corrosion test, previously i've used an ultrasonic fogger in a 2.5 gallon aquarium filled with fresh water, i've also used an aquarium bubble-wall airstone and air pump with salt water to make salt spray, *NOW* the test is running with an ultrasonic fogger and water with *rock salt* dissolved in it, so far, around 30 hours or so in, no rust...., the water is so saline that there's a layer of encrusted salt brine about 1/8" thick around the edges of the glass lid

still no rust

so, yes, color me underwhelmed with the CS "proof" video

 

[Sword and Shield]

I'd say you'll never get that H1 to rust, MacTech. Don't think it actually can. How's H1 to sharpen, by the way?

 

[zenheretic]

I'd say you'll never get that H1 to rust, MacTech. Don't think it actually can. How's H1 to sharpen, by the way?

So easy a simple foo like me can do it.

 

[Horned Toad]

I have to share a special word that I got from a friend of mine, instead of under whelmed you can use “craptacular”. Also I wonder if I can market a tactical lawnmower blade.