I fricken LOVE Emerson haters

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DamascusBowie

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This is really weird, I dont consider myself a fanboy nor do i ever get in brand arguments, and I generally dont care what anyone says about anything.

But while watching youtube knife channels, my curiosity was peaked by some criticisms of Emerson knives, and since I really like my Emersons, I figured let me take a look, maybe I learn something.

Well, what i learned is theres something about Eemerson that just triggers and ticks some people off. Theyre literally outraged by the horribleness of the knives, pricing, grinds, construction, everything about them.

Now, I know nothing is perfect, no knife company is perfect, but holy crap do these guys get their panties in a wad about it, i literally enjoy watching the whining and crying.

Ive never enjoyed watching this sort of thing but the pleasure i get from watching these nancies whine while im flicking my bulldog and cqc13 is immense. Please feel free to inbox me with more, I cant get enough!
 
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I find that most of the time, It seems that the Emerson Haters don’t get or don’t relate to what the attraction is. Nothing wrong with that. It’s when they pose as experts and put down those who buy Emerson’s, that their ignorance becomes apparent. As Mr. T. would say: “I Pity the Fool.”
 
One common complaint Ive seen are is the blade steel. The dislike of 154cm in general. Which leads me to believe they haven’t used an emerson, just looked at one on the internet. The idea that the steel is outdated because it's not 20cv or s35 is ridiculous. Couch cowboys with no understanding of steel characteristics, emerson heat treat or the purpose built knife they bash.
 
Of course if you really wanna' stir it up:

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115Italian said:
One common complaint Ive seen are is the blade steel. The dislike of 154cm in general. Which leads me to believe they haven’t used an emerson, just looked at one on the internet. The idea that the steel is outdated because it's not 20cv or s35 is ridiculous. Couch cowboys with no understanding of steel characteristics, emerson heat treat or the purpose built knife they bash.
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What's the price difference between the different steel? That's probably the reason. Why not get 20cv for way less and get a better steel.

Emerson design hasn't changed much and when the rest of the market is offering more for less at better quality... Its no wonder why folks have these opinions.

But hey if you likem by all means buy em.

First and foremost I buy tools not self defense weapons. I'm not trained to fight with knives and a majority of people who buy knives for that purpose aren't either. And I see more value in other brands.

Doesn't really sour anything about what Emerson is all about. He's a great designer for his genera of knives. Who does it better?
 
Mo2 said:
What's the price difference between the different steel? That's probably the reason. Why not get 20cv for way less and get a better steel.

Emerson design hasn't changed much and when the rest of the market is offering more for less at better quality... Its no wonder why folks have these opinions.

But hey if you likem by all means buy em.

First and foremost I buy tools not self defense weapons. I'm not trained to fight with knives and a majority of people who buy knives for that purpose aren't either. And I see more value in other brands.

Doesn't really sour anything about what Emerson is all about. He's a great designer for his genera of knives. Who does it better?
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I own and operate a landscaping business and my emerson roadhouse is my daily carry folder. Before that was a horseman. I think they’re really more of a work knife than a fighting knife. 154cm done by emerson comes out very tough with good edge retention. Its a good balanced steel that holds up under any condition and is easy to field sharpen. If emerson knives were mass produced in a zt sized factory Im sure they would be less money.
 
What's the price difference between the different steel? That's probably the reason. Why not get 20cv for way less and get a better steel.

1. For the intended purpose 20cv is not necessarily better.

Emerson design hasn't changed much and when the rest of the market is offering more for less at better quality... Its no wonder why folks have these opinions.

2. Emerson does indeed offer new models with different features, and they often sell out in minutes. I do not agree with the assertion of better quality for less.

But hey if you likem by all means buy em.

3. And based upon Emerson sales, the demand is there.

First and foremost I buy tools not self defense weapons. I'm not trained to fight with knives and a majority of people who buy knives for that purpose aren't either. And I see more value in other brands.

4. Fair enough.

Doesn't really sour anything about what Emerson is all about. He's a great designer for his genera of knives. Who does it better?

5. Additionally, Ernie is a stand up guy that is in line with matters that are dear to me. Not often I get to support admirable fellows like him, especially about a hobby I'm passionate about.
 
Ernie is a great, stand-up guy. I love a lot of his designs.

But I prefer more steel options and dislike liner locks. I dislike knives being hardened to low RC for the sake of 'field sharpening ease' on a philosophical level- why not use a steel that performs at higher hardness and just sharpen it less frequently? Who is actually going to be both A) in an environment where you use your knife so intensely that the edge degrades to the point where it would be improved by sharpening on a random rock, and B) in environment A, but also having forgotten to bring a diamond pocket stone?
 
What I never understand is if one does not like something why one puts so much energy into letting people know. I get NOT liking whatever. But I just move along. I owned a Ford Mustang, it was not a great car, but I don't find every opportunity to let people know. All of it is simple, if you do not like something just don't buy it. But some people seem angered by the existence of the thing they don't like (and we are not talking racism, hunger, or poverty here).

If the quality is low, the steel is bad, the HT is bad, the designs are outdated, and it is overpriced, simple solution, don't buy it. Lots of other products out there to fit ones' particular needs.

I get not liking something. I get not patronizing the product/producer/purveyor. But spending time to crusade/evangelize about what you don't like and why? That's the part I don't get. Maybe it's just these folks want to like them, but they have some issues with things and want them changed. I think at some point you just move along, understanding that said manufacturer is not going to make those changes, so X will never be for you.

Like a lot of things, I think Emersons are either for you or are not for you, you get it or you don't. Lots and lots of other options available if you are in the don't category.

I've been trying for years to get Dorritos to stop using that triangle shape, since they sometimes stab me in the roof of the mouth, but no luck. They just keep doing whatever the heck they want to. And I know what they need to do to be better! (obvious nonsense)
 
The appeal is definitely not for everyone, but it is for a lot of us. I think one of the things you have to accept is that the overall appearance and materials won't ever match those of some other brands at similar prices (like ZT). What many don't seem to get is that each Emerson feels like it has it's own 'personality' that is typically missing from other knives.

Emerson is a lightning rod for hate, mostly for materials and workmanship, unlike Cold Steel which is a lightning rod because of Lynn Thompson, the Chad Kroeger of the knife industry.

I will say though, I think EE is probably a nice man but some of his writings are more than a little bit out there. I'm far from a bleeding heart left winger (or left wing anything for that matter) but that letter he wrote earlier this year in the catalog sounded like the drunken rants of an angry old man, pretty off putting to be frank. It belonged more on Breitbart "news" than a knife catalog.
 
John_0917 said:
I will say though, I think EE is probably a nice man but some of his writings are more than a little bit out there. I'm far from a bleeding heart left winger (or left wing anything for that matter) but that letter he wrote earlier this year in the catalog sounded like the drunken rants of an angry old man, pretty off putting to be frank. It belonged more on Breitbart "news" than a knife catalog.
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I have not read what you are referring to, and I am not commenting on your position. So call this a tangent.

In a perfect world I would personally like everyone who makes things I like. Unfortunately, that's not the case. I joke to myself that I mostly like knives made by knife makers people hate. I am sure there are a lot of great guys who make knives, with perfect character who have never made mistakes and regularly rescue kittens from trees and donate massive amounts of money to famine relief and are secretly Santa Claus. I just don't happen to be a fan of their knives.

It's also rough when you are a public figure or head of a company or whatever, you have a judgement lapse and say some dumb stuff, it's out there and you'll get called on it. I fortunately can say dumb stuff a lot and mostly only my wife calls me out on it.
 
madcap_magician said:
Ernie is a great, stand-up guy. I love a lot of his designs.

But I prefer more steel options and dislike liner locks. I dislike knives being hardened to low RC for the sake of 'field sharpening ease' on a philosophical level- why not use a steel that performs at higher hardness and just sharpen it less frequently? Who is actually going to be both A) in an environment where you use your knife so intensely that the edge degrades to the point where it would be improved by sharpening on a random rock, and B) in environment A, but also having forgotten to bring a diamond pocket stone?
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When im out working Im cutting through plastic pots to remove bushes, cutting burlap and rope, all material that are rough on a blade. On top of that they’re dirty. Dirt will dull the best steel. I keep a diamond stone with me and on large landscaping jobs sometimes have to touch up my blade. So I appreciate ease of sharpening
 
jceckrosh said:
I have not read what you are referring to, and I am not commenting on your position. So call this a tangent.

In a perfect world I would personally like everyone who makes things I like. Unfortunately, that's not the case. I joke to myself that I mostly like knives made by knife makers people hate. I am sure there are a lot of great guys who make knives, with perfect character who have never made mistakes and regularly rescue kittens from trees and donate massive amounts of money to famine relief and are secretly Santa Claus. I just don't happen to be a fan of their knives.

It's also rough when you are a public figure or head of a company or whatever, you have a judgement lapse and say some dumb stuff, it's out there and you'll get called on it. I fortunately can say dumb stuff a lot and mostly only my wife calls me out on it.
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https://cdn.emersonknives.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/EK-Catalog2018-med-res.pdf

Page 3...it's a very well done catalog but that page is more than a little out of place.
 
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