I got a knife from China a few weeks ago from a New Jersey importer.

And how do we even know it is the legit ch? It is not hard to figure out where this guy in Jersey got it from. That place sells counterfeits out the butt.
 
PURPLEDC said:
I can tell you one thing its not american d2 but a chinese equivalent. Its not a bad steel but it doesnt take anything but a stonewash finish very well as there is usually quite a bit of alloy banding that blurs the grind when doing satin finishes. And even as a d2 equivalent the term is used loosely.
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They don't term it as a "D2 equivalent" they state that it is "100% D2", whatever That means... it is stated this was on their Bay page and Big River store page...

They have a "Shipping warehouse" in NJ and they will intentionally state a lower value on their packages to skip on paying full taxes. They say this right on their Bay page in the fine print...
 
craytab said:
And how do we even know it is the legit ch? It is not hard to figure out where this guy in Jersey got it from. That place sells counterfeits out the butt.
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Those are the only places that sell them. If someone started importing them for sale its a very new development. How do we know its really a ch? There really is no way to tell. I can say that i dont see the ch logo on that knife. But there is also very little reason to lie and say that it is a ch as the brand is kinda the bear mgc of chinese knives. Not horrible but nothing special either.
 
NJBillK said:
They don't term it as a "D2 equivalent" they state that it is "100% D2", whatever That means... it is stated this was on their Bay page and Big River store page...

They have a "Shipping warehouse" in NJ and they will intentionally state a lower value on their packages to skip on paying full taxes. They say this right on their Bay page in the fine print...
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As a huge fan of chinese knives I still have to call bs on them. A few sellers try to flub the steel and claim D2. After a few people complain usually its revealed to be 9cr18mov. But to be fair the terms D2 and 440c are just generic terms that any steel can qualify as if certain elements are present in the right quantities. So to say its 100% d2 isnt lie but by most standards and opinions not completely accurate either. But just looking at this knife on the chinese websites quite a few sellers list this exact knife as a 9cr18mov blade. I would post a link but its a selling website. I have been told we can do this for informational purposes such as in this case but id rather not given my known neutral stance with clones. This brand also sells a knife claiming to be zdp-189 for $79. And that is very hard for me to believe.
 
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craytab said:
There are plenty of excellent knives coming out of china that are worth the cost. Your comment is uninformed.
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No it's not, this is a questionable ( missed a word in my other post ) knife that happens to have been made in China and is worth no more than 10$.
 
Hickory n steel said:
No it's not, this is a questionable ( missed a word in my other post ) knife that happens to have been made in China and is worth no more than 10$.
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How to you support that statement. I dont like the knife or the brand and its history but even as a buyer of these types of knives i cant claim to know that the knife is only worth $10. You were not here for it but many said the same thing about reate when they released their horizon knife and it first made its apearance here. Now i dont believe ch is the next reate by any means. And i dont care if people hate them. But if we demand honesty from china we should also be honest and not dismiss something as being a $10 knife with no experience or valid info.
 
PURPLEDC said:
As a huge fan of chinese knives I still have to call bs on them. A few sellers try to flub the steel and claim D2. After a few people complain usually its revealed to be 9cr18mov. But to be fair the terms D2 and 440c are just generic terms that any steel can qualify as if certain elements are present in the right quantities. So to say its 100% d2 isnt lie but by most standards and opinions not completely accurate either. But just looking at this knife on the chinese websites quite a few sellers list this exact knife as a 9cr18mov blade. I would post a link but its a selling website. I have been told we can do this for informational purposes such as in this case but id rather not given my known neutral stance with clones. This brand also sells a knife claiming to be zdp-189 for $79. And that is very hard for me to believe.
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I see it listed on a Chinese site from the same seller offering both 9cr and D2 with the D2 version costing a bit more.
 
AF said:
I see it listed on a Chinese site from the same seller offering both 9cr and D2 with the D2 version costing a bit more.
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Really. I cant seem to find the seller you are speaking of. But i am finding sellers who even have it listed as d2 and 9cr18mov in the same page. And what bothers me is there is no designation on the blade of which steel was used. Plus the fact this brand claims zdp on a $70 knife has me weary. Some of these brands out of china i have seen and believe their claims. Ch has not won me over at all.
 
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How to you support that statement. I dont like the knife or the brand and its history but even as a buyer of these types of knives i cant claim to know that the knife is only worth $10. You were not here for it but many said the same thing about reate when they released their horizon knife and it first made its apearance here. Now i dont believe ch is the next reate by any means. And i dont care if people hate them. But if we demand honesty from china we should also be honest and not dismiss something as being a $10 knife with no experience or valid info.
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The knife is questionable to me, and 10$ is a safe gamble on a questionable product.
 
Hickory n steel said:
The knife is questionable to me, and 10$ is a safe gamble on a questionable product.
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Ok so you were saying what it was worth to you based on the info or lack thereof at this time. That is fair. Im not even challenging it. I just wanted to understand your take on it. Thanks.
 
I scratched the itch with CH3504. It was ground too thick, grind lines showed through the stonewash finish and the detent was too light. Still a bargain I suppose but I'd rather just pay more for a knife from a reputable company.
 
I think he was more implying that the lack of verifiable information coming from a source that "seems to be" untrustworthy makes him uncomfortable spending his money.

I can absolutely agree with that sentiment.
 
NJBillK said:
I think he was more implying that the lack of verifiable information coming from a source that "seems to be" untrustworthy makes him uncomfortable spending his money.

I can absolutely agree with that sentiment.
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I agree too. I am very accepting of chinese knives and even many of the knives found on the same sites. And even as a bit of a china fanboy ch is a brand that even i cannot defend and they trigger my suspicions as well.
 
PURPLEDC said:
I agree too. I am very accepting of chinese knives and even many of the knives found on the same sites. And even as a bit of a china fanboy ch is a brand that even i cannot defend and they trigger my suspicions as well.
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So they trigger your suspicions, but yet you still give them your money?
I guess I value my time differently.
 
this is likely a shill. for 1 he claims hard use but doesn't prove it. then why name "New Jersey importer"? seriously, if he's not a vendor here why even mention it?
you say you like D2? what do you like about it? I had one of these Chinese d2 knives, I don't prefer it, chippy, rusts, can't sharpen it unless using diamond's. I tossed that blade, it was terrible.

you know of the two suns version which was shown in a clone review, so you know this product well, trying to get free advertising?

the photo you are showing is not of your knife. it's from a Chinese seller. if you have this knife why didn't you take a photo of it? shill? free advertising? this is what the Chinese normally do to sell their stuff.

then you claim as good as zt or bench made without any example, and proof, do you have any ZT's or bm's? maybe you don't and your just saying this, would be my guess, cause its good marketing, without actual evidence.

your prior posts say you have a zt801, is that your only example? one knife to justify them all? the rest of your posts say that you are price conscious about what you buy, nothing wrong with that, but your going on a limb here saying its better than zt or bm. better than an 801 which offers a warranty, free sharpening excellent action, materials that are what they say they are etc.

honestly I'm not falling for it. do any vendors here offer this brand?

can a moderator step in here?
 
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So they trigger your suspicions, but yet you still give them your money?
I guess I value my time differently.
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I'm not sure what you are talking about. I own one ch knife. I purchased it before I knew anything about the brand. And based on that knife I never purchased another. But I still buy other Chinese knives direct from china because that is where my interests lie. If you haven't noticed I haven't exactly been kind to the brand in my comments. I think you made some assumptions. Do I take chances with my purchasing habits? yes and no. Because that particular knife I was given a full refund and allowed to keep it. Now had I had that experience and continued to purchase the knives you would have a valid point. But I didn't even elude to that being the case.
 
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That's fine. I wasn't saying anything other than what I had typed, there was no need to read further.

I work to earn my income (as do you, I assume).
Due to that, I don't want to risk the headache over some faceless company that uses who-knows-what for blade stock, heat treats it to one-can-only-guess hrc, and sells it to whomever feels like the are getting an "on par" knife for the funds...
For $10, I am looking at Opinel
For $50, I am looking at Ontario & the exchange
For $75, I am looking in the exchange for a Benchmade, Spyderco, and a whole host of other reputable companies

No thanks, I will stick to companies that have earned their positive reputation, not ones that I trust only due to them not causing me to lose faith in them, but stay a crap shoot.
I am paying for a reputation, and I am willing to support a that, not get what I can until they decide they can't be bothered.
 
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