I have a question...

2. Why it took a week to receive the knife
2A. I was on vacation in Florida when the knife arrived and it sat at my neighbors house until I got home yesterday evening.
3. Why I asked for a refund
3A. I work in the Oil and Gas industry and leave on Tuesday to go back to work for two weeks. Rather than trying to resell in the short amount of time I have before I go back I just asked for a refund. I guess because it happened once to me I thought that it was a normal part of the Buy/sell/trade. Also I have bought three 0560's and all of them came with problems. I guess I felt like I was either being ripped off or I should have known better. Again I didn't realize it was outside of normal protocol in the forum business. My apologies. I also apologized profusely to FanBoy about the whole ordeal.
4. ZT and the Detent
4A. This isn't first hand information but it came from someone I know very well. He told me that he sent in several knives to ZT to fix the detent issue and each time they can back it was only better for a week or so then the problem returned.
5. What I've done to the knife since it's been in my possession.
5A. I opened the knife and checked the overall condition like I always do and then tested the issues the OP mentioned in his sale thread. At once I realized the detent was the worst of alll three of the 0560 I currently have in my posssession. I then reboxed it and contacted FanBoy. I consider myself to be a standup guy, I have a very solid reputation in my work, social, and online aspects of my life. That's why I agreed to send the knife first and then wait for refund upon its arrival. I thought that was only fair.
 
Lone_Wolfe said:
You can get that Neg removed, as it violates Spark's rules.

As for the current issue, it sounds like you already knew what to expect. So why ask for a refund, especially after a week? And what did you do to try to fix the detent?
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I have tried but nothing happened. I don't know why.
 
rustysocket said:
My opinion is that you bought a knife that was accurately described by your own words and had reasonable knowledge of what to expect given your previous ownership.

I think requesting a return is unreasonable based on the information presented.

Many will find it just easier not to do business with you. That may or may not matter to you.
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Sure it matters a great deal to me. Also the one negative feedback matters to me which is why I tried to have it removed. I guess I assumed it was a normal thing to ask for a return. I've definently learned the hard way.
 
brandonh328
Since you were familiar with problems with this model knife you should have asked ?'s up front to be sure you would get a satisfactory knife. Since you were told this one also had those problems I don't see why you made the buy. Other factors such as delay in checking it out could have been avoided by just letting the seller know your situation, Communication can help greatly. Shipping cost money and there is some risk of loss, so it is best to avoid any problems before hand if possible.
As for your negative-post your situation in the tech forum. That is where Spark will see it.
 
Brandonh328, at least you are here explaining your side of what happened. As I understand it, you had the knife in your possession for only a very short period of time due to being out of town when you asked for the refund. That's fine. It clears up why it took a week for you to get back with the buyer.

Above, you said, "Rather than trying to resell in the short amount of time I have before I go back I just asked for a refund." IMO, you do not have only a short amount of time within which to resell it. You can actually resell it any time you want, as far out in the future as you want. But you want to sell it quickly. I get it. The problem is that your desire to sell quickly causes you to instead choose to ask for a refund on a knife that was accurately described and which had a problem that you were already familiar with due to your prior personal experiences. That makes it sound like you were "kicking the tires" as someone else here said. That is fine, but to do so, IMO, the price for that is on you, not the OP. You may have to wait to re-sell the knife until you are back in town and may take a slight loss on it. That's the way it goes sometimes. I know you have apologized to the OP already privately :thumbsup:, but still, it just feels to me like you should be the one to take it from here on out. After all, you bought it knowing full well what the issue was with the knife. You just did not know how bad it was relative to some other ZT knives you had in the past.
 
I will just say this about the whole thing. I'm just a regular dude who has always liked knives. I'm not a very tech savvy guy so I only found the knife forums this year. Since then I've bought and sold over one hundred knives between here and other forums/eBay. In that time I have only had two issues. The one resulted in my negative feedback and the other with me issuing a refund and having the knife I sold returned. It was the latter of the two issues that made me think that if your not happy with a knife you just ask for a refund. With that being said this is the only knife that I've bought that I wasn't happy with. Even with the detent listed as light to me it was so bad that it made the knife unusable, and I came to this conclusion because I have two other models to base it on. So the other side of the coin from my end is I don't want to be a bad customer, I don't want people be afraid to do business with me, i don't want negative reviews, bad word of mouth, or anything like that and I took all of his into consideration before I requested the refund. Hindsight is always 20/20 and I have learned a lot from this experience.
 
Edge guy you may be right. that seems to be the consensus here. Life's not perfect and you can't please everyone but I feel like if the majority of people think I should just keep it and be responsible then I'm going with the majority. Thanks for everyone's input. I will definitely be taking to these forums if I run into any more questionable situations in the future. Sometimes it's hard to see past my point of view. Lol
 
brandonh328 said:
Edge guy you may be right. that seems to be the consensus here. Life's not perfect and you can't please everyone but I feel like if the majority of people think I should just keep it and be responsible then I'm going with the majority. Thanks for everyone's input. I will definitely be taking to these forums if I run into any more questionable situations in the future. Sometimes it's hard to see past my point of view. Lol
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I'm glad you're looking at the other side after reading all this. If you do make the seller refund you, I'd be putting you on my do not deal list too. But being willing to reconsider is worth something in my eyes.
 
The right thing for you to do is to keep the knife Brandon.
You were aware of the detent issue on this model and still went ahead with the purchase.
That's like buying and rolling the dice on the strength of the detent.
If I were you I would have specifically asked the seller about detent strength OR I'd stay away from that model.
You went ahead with your eyes wide open.
Keep the knife brother! You will stay off many ignore lists!!
Joe
 
FanBoy86 said:
He's going to. I spoke with him in private and he told me he's going to keep it. I still offered the return under my conditions, but he declined. So the knife is his to do with as he wishes.

Thanks everyone for the help and assistance. BF is an awesome place!
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This is a great ending, and everybody respects each other's opinion. That's the way it's supposed to be!
 
Excellent decision Brandon!!
I'll give you a big one of these my friend!
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Joe
 
Thank you all gentleman! Sincerely thankful for all the input. I feel like we're all adults here and this type of discourse is what's appropriate. We are all good people here and just trying to look after our own interest when making a deal. Sometimes it takes outside opinions to help us stay on the proper moral footing.
 
Hi guys and glad you worked this out so well. My question concerns the detent. What exactly do you think the problem is, (anyone?), is it the lockbar (framelock?) or the depth of the detent or something else? Just wondering if this a a model to avoid completely, also, in my limited experience the ZT detent is normally pretty stiff and requires a long break in. What's different about this model that makes it prone to this particular problem?
 
Its really nice to see a whole thread with actual advice ... communication ... and both parties participating and coming to a fair conculsion. And several members actually offering help not just bashing. Think both members have stepped up glad to see it worked out the way it did.
 
Peter Hartwig said:
As for your negative-post your situation in the tech forum. That is where Spark will see it.
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Yes, that ^
Also, you should go to that feedback and report it (just like reporting a post), and explain the issue in the Reason for reporting box
 
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