I have decided to Test a $350 Plus STRIDER

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If I were you I would accept the offer for knife for test.
So you can use $350 to buy similarly big Ranger RD series, Scrapyard, and Ontario RAT and perform exactly same test with all of them side by side :thumbup:

BTW noss4 hasn't asked anyone for money, knives or anything else. When you buy a knife it becomes your property and you can do anything you want with it. And you don't have to reason to anyone "why" and "what" you want to do.
I would understand these comments if noss4 wanted to use your knife :)
 
Moved to Knife reviews and testing. :rolleyes:
 
Id' suggest you go ahead and test. Words on a forum can't (and shouldn't) prevent you from doing what you want.
 
Unixdork - Cliff has it in for S30V, but as far as I know he has not tested a larger S30V knife like a Trident to see how it fares compared to non stainless carbon steels. No doubt S30V will not be nearly as tough as say 5160 and 1050, 1080, etc., but I don't know if the difference is 10X, and I don't know if the difference would be noticeable in normal knife usage.

As for the Strider test, well, it should prove interesting in the same way the Jackass movies are interesting. ;)
 
Hey, if Strider's game, I'd take them up on the offer of the knife, maybe reaching an agreement with them first that you'll first test a knife you buy yourself from some independent retail source. You'll videotape that test. Then, kind of in the spirit of cooperation, you'll send them both a copy of the complete videotape, plus whatever's left of the knife when you get done with it.

End result:

For Strider: Strider has a video, and a knife (or remnants thereof) that either they can use in their promotions ("Strider Knives: so tough, that one user even did this to one. As you can see in our promotional video, this guy whaled away at it until it broke. It took him 23 minutes, and the tip didn't chip until he unloaded two chains of M60 ammo at it; Lynn Thompson, eat our dust!") Or, they have a video and knife they can autopsy and use to improve their next batch. I think that, if I were you, I would arrange to send both the post-test knife and a copy of the video to them, together with a letter giving them the rights to use it in promotions, etc.; it's a win/win situation for them if you do, because if the knife fails too easily, they know what to fix, and if it takes massive abuse before failing, they can use that in their advertising. My brother used to work in a Sears tool department, where they advertised Craftsman tools by saying that if you brought one back in, no matter what the condition, they would replace it, free. When a guy brought in some tool that had had the Hell beaten out of it, and it had then been left out in the weather to rust for a few years, my brother gladly took it back--and then prominently displayed the tool as evidence to customers that Sears really meant it when they said they'd take back any tool that broke. It was great advertising.

For you: You end up in the same place you were before the test: you've got a Strider knife. You're out the cost of one knife, but not two. Kind of the same situation as if you had bought one, beaten the Hell out of it and sent it in, and gotten a warranty replacement--but this way you've done it with full disclosure, you've leveled with the company, and nobody's even arguably been cheated. Only you're also ahead because you have a better idea of just where that point is at which the thing is going to fail. If it does well, you're going to have a lot of confidence in that knife. And you're probably going to tell your friends.

For us: We (who can't afford to trash our knives) get a better idea of where the line is between what these knives can and cannot take. Unless someone tests a knife to where it breaks, you really don't know where that line was. And though obviously there are going to be some samples that behave differently from others, it gives you at least a vague, anecdotal, rough idea about the knives. Everybody here, I imagine, has been influenced by knife companies' publication of the ridiculous abuse their knives can take. Back when I was a kid, I remember people speaking with great respect about those Buck brand knives that supposedly could be hammered through an iron bolt. Nobody I knew ever actually used their knives that way, but we had high confidence in the blades, based on the likelihood (not certainty, I recognize) that these things could put up with incredible abuse, in whatever form luck happened to throw our way. Having seen this guy's videotaped abuse of his Ka-Bar 1277, I'm a whole lot more likely to reach for that knife than I might have been otherwise if I think I need something that can put up with a lot of abuse. Even though the task at hand may be chopping through a log, instead of hammering on it with a sledgehammer.

And, by the way, there is value to the humorously-extreme in this. If I were a Ka-Bar marketing rep, I'd be thinking about buying the rights to still shots of you pounding on the knife in a vise and burning the handle. Just for the added advertisement value of saying something like, "At Ka-Bar, we recognize that our customers will subject our products to all kinds of abuse . . . ."

Hell, it's his knife. And it's kind of entertaining. I'd just recommend that he and the company level with each other about what he's done to it before he sends it back in.
 
For the person that posted the car test videos, I beleive that those tests are safety test for extreme scenarios and therefore are valid. Sure a mini van is not desinged for off road handling, but it is easy to imagine being forced off of the highway onto the notoriously uneven grassy area. At that point you may be glad someone tested its uneven terain handling. However, torquing a knife in a vice until it snaps fails -in my opinion- to satisfy the "I may have to do this at some point is a survival situation with my knife" criteria. I can't remember the last time that I had to chop a viced 2X4 in the wilderness (where in my pack am I going to put a vice?), or in the shop (that's what a saw is for, right?). But it is his money so he can spend it as he sees fit.
 
I have destroyed a couple of my knives to see if i am doing things right. (typically I flex them until they snap somewhere and then check for large grain growth) but i do not intend for my stuff to be used as a prybar, anvil, pistol target, jackhammer, etc. Upon finding a knife that "passes" these "testers" going to run out and buy 50 of these knives and throw away......or test to death....the rest of their collection?!?!?!?!? By the way........this is what a properly annealed and normalized 3/16ths inch W2 blade will do before heat treating. i messed up the grind, so I did this for fun....neat sculpture/paperweight, eh? By the way...all of the bends were done in a vice with my bare hand....no cheater bars, gloves, vice-grips, etc. Oh, and one more thing.....no cracks of any kind. Take THAT Strider and the rest of you stainless guys.....lol:D
 
I say you can do anything you want to do to your knives, I in fact would like to see the test video. But it is incredibly rude to expect or even try to get the company to replace the knife that you intentionally destroyed. Do the test if you want, but don't take advantage of Strider's warranty.
 
Hey, if Strider's game, I'd take them up on the offer of the knife, maybe reaching an agreement with them first that you'll first test a knife you buy yourself from some independent retail source. You'll videotape that test. Then, kind of in the spirit of cooperation, you'll send them both a copy of the complete videotape, plus whatever's left of the knife when you get done with it.

Valid point: However with all the heat I have taken. I will test the strider independently. It's the only fair way. Strider Will be sent all the info.

The test will go on as originally planned.
 
I say you can do anything you want to do to your knives, I in fact would like to see the test video. But it is incredibly rude to expect or even try to get the company to replace the knife that you intentionally destroyed. Do the test if you want, but don't take advantage of Strider's warranty.

Strider already knows What I'm going to do with their knife. And if it Fails I will send it back to Strider. Just as with the K-Bar Bowie And Cold Steel Bushman. We will see Who fully Stands by their word and products.
Test the Knife If it Fails Test The Company.
 
I don't really agree. I get it if you do a crazy extreme test on a knife for whatever reason and it happens to break, but no knife is unbreakable. They shouldn't have to give you another knife in this instance.
 
I don't really agree. I get it if you do a crazy extreme test on a knife for whatever reason and it happens to break, but no knife is unbreakable. They shouldn't have to give you another knife in this instance.

I concur. But I do think that a progressively harder test, even to the point of extremes, would be a useful measure for such "hard use" type knives.
 
The only difference here is I video it ...

Video's are great, I have been adding them myself. Kel_aa has some nice ones as well.

Cliff, have you done any testing you've put on your site that shows that kind of results with S30V?

Yeah, Green Beret (2x, one myself and other was sent to me after another individual did the same thing and the blade responded similar). Note this isn't a problem inherent to S30V specifically, just with all high carbide steels in general. It is absurd to actually imply behavior otherwise for such steels due to fundamental properties such as the high carbon content of the martensite, the high carbide volume, stainless, etc. . The actual really tough steels like I mentioned are so tough for example that they won't even be measured on unnotched tests because they go off scale (200+ ft.lbs) and high carbide steels (D series) are so brittle in comparison that it will be warned specifically (see carpenters data) that the tests are not really even valid and the really low numbers generated (20 ft.lbs) are actually only coarse estimates.

Those knives didn't cost $400, so it was okay to break them. But, when you pay $400 for the toughest knives on the planet, you aren't... supposed to... use them hard?

This is just fanboy defence, note that no one actually makes any such complaints when makers do even more extreme promotion of their own knives. Mick Strider himself sent out emails promoting his knives being driven into rock with a sledge hammer, Kevin McClung promoted his blades as being that strong a SEAL stuck one in a cabinet and jumped on it as a springboard.

The reaction to this post is just absurd, these are the same knives that the makers used to promote for prying and concrete impacts. In fact their users would specifically degrade knifemakers for such doing rope cutting tests and heavily criticise them as being easily broken in prying but Striders would never fail. Here is a simple idea, actually describe the knife as how it performs and you will have no problems with user reports.

I can't remember the last time that I had to chop a viced 2X4 in the wilderness ...

You never have had to chop a piece of wood which was fixed in place and further can't imagine that such a senario could ever exist?

-Cliff
 
I don't really agree. I get it if you do a crazy extreme test on a knife for whatever reason and it happens to break, but no knife is unbreakable. They shouldn't have to give you another knife in this instance.

Your right no knife is unbreakable.

When a person buys a knife he or she can do whatever one wants with it.

So your saying if you out in the field and your chopping fire wood and your knife breaks your not going to call the manufacturer to ask for a replacement. The manufacture may tell your no we can't give you a new one because you used our advertised hard use knife for chopping into a log. We only guarantee that if your knife breaks cutting a piece of rope. When a Knife is advertised as a hard use knife and the manufacture does not define hard use then anything goes.

Another example: You clip a coupon out of the news paper 5 bucks off any meal. You go to the restaurant and eat. then go pay the bill then they reject your coupon. Then say sorry your out of luck. Then restaurant lyes to the public to get your business.

Same then applies here knife Manufactures make a bold statement on there hard use knife if you break it. Then they tell you get lost. The company lies to the public to get your business. They just hope they never have back up there words.

I'm a consumer. I will buy the knife on the retail chain. If it Fails my intended use. I will send it back for a new one. In the end it will be up the the company to make that determination.

Just because I'm performing a test doesn't exempt me from this. It just how I'm going to use my knife that I paid my money for.

There has be so much talk on the warranty. It's about time someone tests knife company's on there there word.

The knife world will be watching.
 
Will You continue Escalating the level of the Test until you finally break the knife?

How do you know where to stop or is the Stopping Point the knife finally Breaking?
 
Strider already knows What I'm going to do with their knife. And if it Fails I will send it back to Strider. Just as with the K-Bar Bowie And Cold Steel Bushman. We will see Who fully Stands by their word and products.
Test the Knife If it Fails Test The Company.

This is becoming less about the knife and more about the warranty.
 
Will be doing the Strider test the same way as your other videos? Or will you test the knife for the purposes it is advertised/hyped for?
 
Anything can be broken. That proves nothing. If you are interested in testing I would advise you to read some of Cliff Stamps work on knives. It might be more illuminating if you could measure some of your stresses. I watched some of your work and it just looks like you are having fun. I say knock yourself out, have fun but as a legitimate measure of a knife's worth I am not sure if your methods are really useful. One thing more. I might have missed them but I saw no safety precautions. I would hate to see an accident in your video. I applaud your work and hope you continue your efforts. As to Strider's strength. With the old Strider WB Stamp determined the following. "With the force applied about 10" from the point at which the blade was in the angled join, and assuming the force was perpendicular to the handle ( the blade was wrapped to protect against shards), this gives a break torque of 2750 +/- 250 in.lbs." As the blades are now S30V they are probably stronger so be very careful when you attempt to break one. According to Stamp they probably will not bend much but will snap under great force. This is my inference from his work with the ATS-34 and not a stated fact. Again keep up the good work and thanks for the videos.
 
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