I have decided to Test a $350 Plus STRIDER

[Pete1977]

I stopped reading this thread before I finished page 2. I have never owned a strider. would I like to? sure. I would like to see first hand what it can do. I also would like to buy a sebenza. the one deal breaker is price.

I don't think that taking a knife no matter WHAT the manufacturer's claim is and beating the living sh*t out of it with a sledge hammer is a valid test.

If I were you, I would put the knife to hard use. I work in the commercial fishing industry. the knives I use see abuse daily in one of the more knife-unfriendly environments I can think of. I prefer a folding knife when I can because a sheathed fixed blade tends to catch on things.

do I read into the good and bad shit about strider on the forums? no. I won't poopoo a knife until I have tried it. I understand the argument that a 400 dollar knife should be in pristine condition with perfect fit and finish when it leaves the factory, but aside from that, the claims strider makes, and their fans make, and the claims that other people make against them are all heresay until I have handled and tested a knife for myself.

if I were you I'd take them up on the offer of a loaner for the test. if the offer was made to me, I'd gladly accept it, use it for several weeks, months whatever, post regular reviews, and send them the knife back. why stir the pot more than it already is?

 

[noss4]

Will You continue Escalating the level of the Test until you finally break the knife?

How do you know where to stop or is the Stopping Point the knife finally Breaking?

The destruction test is to destroy smash everything in site and see what the knife is made of. The test will be the same as my other videos. I will work the knife until I give out or the knife gives out.

If I give it out first then then the knife wins and the knife world can see what the knife is made of.

 

[noss4]

I stopped reading this thread before I finished page 2. I have never owned a strider. would I like to? sure. I would like to see first hand what it can do. I also would like to buy a sebenza. the one deal breaker is price.

I don't think that taking a knife no matter WHAT the manufacturer's claim is and beating the living sh*t out of it with a sledge hammer is a valid test.

If I were you, I would put the knife to hard use. I work in the commercial fishing industry. the knives I use see abuse daily in one of the more knife-unfriendly environments I can think of. I prefer a folding knife when I can because a sheathed fixed blade tends to catch on things.

do I read into the good and bad shit about strider on the forums? no. I won't poopoo a knife until I have tried it. I understand the argument that a 400 dollar knife should be in pristine condition with perfect fit and finish when it leaves the factory, but aside from that, the claims strider makes, and their fans make, and the claims that other people make against them are all heresay until I have handled and tested a knife for myself.

if I were you I'd take them up on the offer of a loaner for the test. if the offer was made to me, I'd gladly accept it, use it for several weeks, months whatever, post regular reviews, and send them the knife back. why stir the pot more than it already is?

Have Strider send you one. perform whatever kind of test you want. Theres your way and theres my way.

 

[noss4]

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Anything can be broken. That proves nothing. If you are interested in testing I would advise you to read some of Cliff Stamps work on knives. It might be more illuminating if you could measure some of your stresses. I watched some of your work and it just looks like you are having fun. I say knock yourself out, have fun but as a legitimate measure of a knife's worth I am not sure if your methods are really useful. One thing more. I might have missed them but I saw no safety precautions. I would hate to see an accident in your video. I applaud your work and hope you continue your efforts. As to Strider's strength. With the old Strider WB Stamp determined the following. "With the force applied about 10" from the point at which the blade was in the angled join, and assuming the force was perpendicular to the handle ( the blade was wrapped to protect against shards), this gives a break torque of 2750 +/- 250 in.lbs." As the blades are now S30V they are probably stronger so be very careful when you attempt to break one. According to Stamp they probably will not bend much but will snap under great force. This is my inference from his work with the ATS-34 and not a stated fact. Again keep up the good work and thanks for the videos.

You better believe I'm having fun ! For years I have owned knives and for years I have seen all kind of Crazy things done with knives. Now it's my turn to see what knives are made of. I already have seen cliffs work and I like it. :thumbup: Cliff can test knives however he choses and I can test a knife however I chose. There are other ways then there is the NOSS4 way. The video Camera doesn't not lye.

 

[noss4]

This is becoming less about the knife and more about the warranty.

The people on this forum have made the warranty issue a big deal. So I will test the knife and If it fails I will test the company.

I will test every manufacturer this way. I'm not signaling Strider out.

All the info on returning knives to every manufacture will be posted on the Web for the the world to see.


The knife world will we watching.

WHO WILL SURVIVE AND WHAT WILL BE LEFT OF THEM ?

 

[Rigson]

The people on this forum have made the warranty issue a big deal. So I will test the knife and If it fails I will test the company.

I will test every manufacturer this way. I'm not signaling Strider out.

All the info on returning knives to every manufacture will be posted on the Web for the the world to see.


The knife world will we watching.

WHO WILL SURVIVE AND WHAT WILL BE LEFT OF THEM ?

"singling"! You're not "singling' Strider out...not 'signaling'.

With all due respect noss, are you going to do your little test or are you going to keep talking about it?

You keep saying "WHO WILL SURVIVE..." it won't be the audience! We're bored to death!

 

[noss4]

I hope Strider does well. I hope I can say, I'm proud to carry a strider on my side.

I'm proud to say I carry a K-bar 14 1/4 Bowie. I'm proud to say I carry a Cold Steel Bushman. I wish Strider well.



THE KNIFE WORLD WILL BE WATCHING

 

[noss4]

"singling"! You're not "singling' Strider out...not 'signaling'.

With all due respect noss, are you going to do your little test or are you going to keep talking about it?

You keep saying "WHO WILL SURVIVE..." it won't be the audience! We're bored to death!

If your bored to death why do you keep logging in to this post ?
Makes me wonder ?

I have to wait until the first to order the knife. (Already made this clear) I will order a Strider overnight UPS.

I will have the Becker BK9 and the K-Bar bowie December 26 Then I will do the tests.

I love how all of you WOLVES keep posting my spelling mistakes. Is this the best you can come up with.

Keep it coming I love it ! :thumbup:

 

[JimConvex]

Noss4,

Thank You for Your personal Response to my Question.

I feel that Testing like you are doing is one of the exact reasons that most actual Cutlery Manufacturers disdain Forums.

Testing to Destruction, by means other then hand held, in the normal tasks a Knife is designed to perform, proves nothing. I have never seen a knife I could not Break if I wanted to.

It is Entertainment for Dogpilers and when read by an average person leaves only one impression.

The knife Broke.

It does not matter that you broke it using some outragious method.

They will only Remember that the knife Broke.

They will not remember all the tasks that the knife did successfully accomplish.

For the Casual Reader, you have just done harm to the reputation of any company you pull this on.

Your tests are pointless and harmful to any company who's product you destroy.

My Opinion has nothing to do with Strider or K-bar or any other Company product you destroy.

As I see it--You are a very Dangerous Person and You and Your Destruction Tests will do far more harm than Good.

Respectfully,

Jim

 

[noss4]

As I see it--You are a very Dangerous Person and You and Your Destruction Tests will do far more harm than Good.

Respectfully,

Jim[/QUOTE]


Maybe I am dangerous Maybe I'm Not. I don't care about any company's reputation. I'm loyal to no Company. I don't work for or own any knife company.I am consumer like most people and want to see what a Knife is made of. IF IT Fails I will Test the company on their word.I will post it all over the Web. For people to make up their own minds.

A company's reputation Is up the the company itself

If you can't handle it ? It is up to YOU ?


The knife world will be watching.

 

[Last Visible Canary]

Noss4,

Thank You for Your personal Response to my Question.

I feel that Testing like you are doing is one of the exact reasons that most actual Cutlery Manufacturers disdain Forums.

To some level there has to be a degree of public participation in the testing of materials, otherwise companies with lax quality control can produce large numbers of product wich are dangerous to the public.

In the case of knives that are said to be extremely durable or difficult to break, one should be informed about the actual ability of that knife to protect them against personal injury should they attempt something that it is not capable of.

No one should ever have to chop bricks, but similar things do occasionally happen. An example of that is a story I read here on bladeforums that I'll try to hunt down of an individual flipping his truck over in the mountains, and digging his way out with his swamp rat camp tramp. Rare instance, but its good to know that your knife wont break if you need to do something like that. If you know that it can't be used to pry dirt and rocks in a digging activity - it's not necessarily something you would want to purchase if you have ever experienced something like that.

Such reviews do have to be taken with a grain of salt, and the results should be viewed in relation to the given action they represent.

I'm sure theres a lot of people, who upon reading that a strider was broken after it was stabbed into a car engine block repeatedly will choose not to purchase it, having entered into it with the idea that the knife was unbreakable. This is financially damaging to the company.

But I still beleive that a certain degree of product destruction is beneficial to public knowledge. If you don't want to warranty a specific knife you sell if it is used for chopping concrete, come out and say it publicly. Something to the effect of "This knife was able to take the impacts of concrete chopping that I personally applied to it during our tests. This does not gaurentee that it will take the forces that you apply to your knife doing the same basic actions. We will not warranty your knife if you chop concrete with it."

It kinda makes your company look "whimpy", but it's honest. Saying your knives will chop concrete and take no damage, implying that this is true to all cases of concrete chopping regardless of the person doing it, is essentially lying to the customer if it is not true.

You might say that something like that should be obvious to the consumer, but it isn't. When a person see's a manifacturer chopping concrete saying their knives can take such abuse, its assumed that all of their knives can take similar actions withou damage.

 

[TorzJohnson]

Strider already knows What I'm going to do with their knife. And if it Fails I will send it back to Strider. Just as with the K-Bar Bowie And Cold Steel Bushman. We will see Who fully Stands by their word and products.
Test the Knife If it Fails Test The Company.

happy peanuts soar over chocolate covered mountain tops, and waterfalls of caramel. prancing nougat in the meadow sings a song of satisfaction to the world.

 

[davmgt]

lets stop feeding this thread..if the guy wants to break knives, let him break knives. Most of us have enough sense to realize how silly this is.

 

[Cougar Allen]

happy peanuts soar over chocolate covered mountain tops, and waterfalls of caramel. prancing nougat in the meadow sings a song of satisfaction to the world.

Copper-dome Bodhi drip a silver kimono
like a crazy-quilt stargown
through a dream night wind

 

[Cliff Stamp]

Testing to Destruction, by means other then hand held, in the normal tasks a Knife is designed to perform, proves nothing.

So Spyderco's lock tests prove nothing? Fallkniven's bend tests?

I have never seen a knife I could not Break if I wanted to.

Yes and all steel rusts, all steel wears, and thus it is of no information to know what it takes to make a steel rust or blunt and edge - see the logic is absurd even when checked casually.

Your tests are pointless and harmful to any company who's product you destroy.

But of course the makers/manufacturers are free to do all kinds of outrageous things with no complaint.

In the case of knives that are said to be extremely durable or difficult to break, one should be informed about the actual ability of that knife to protect them against personal injury should they attempt something that it is not capable of.

THat is the problem, they don't. You can read Strider's reaction to the concret chopping I did and how they justify the fact that they can still complain about the fact I did it even when they promoted it. It is an exact case of what you noted - aside from of course the absurd nature of the claims of those kinds of steels (high carbide stainless) being in any way tough. It is just as silly as promoting L6 as being corrosion resistant, it is a physical impossibility.

-Cliff

 

[Carl64]

Noss4:

I am all for either testing a knife to see if it performs as a manufacturer claims, or testing it until it breaks to find out what the breaking point is. But I don't think those two are the same thing, unless the manufacturer claims it is impossible to break.

Reading the Strider warranty you quoted, I don't think it says the knife is absolutely impossible to break. Maybe Strider said it elsewhere, but lacking any other evidence I base my opinion on the information available. The warranty does not specify exactly what they expect you are doing with it, so maybe it's an incomplete statement. Since any steel blade could be cut in half by applying the right kind of torch for much less than an hour, it is logically flawed to think they mean it is absolutely impossible to break.

Therefore, if you plan for this to include a test of their warranty if it breaks, rather than just a report of how much it takes to break the knife and absorbing the knife as a cost of the test, I think you need to be specific as to what you plan on doing with it and why you think that test/use is covered, where Strider said so, etc. If you do it that way, I think it's a fair test.

 

[Broos]

I'd really like you test an Enders cold chisel.
I like your motto - "the knife world will be watching" - that's a good one.
I hope you get that gameboy you wanted for Christmas!
Ho Ho Ho, Merry Christmas!

 

[noss4]

Noss4:

I am all for either testing a knife to see if it performs as a manufacturer claims, or testing it until it breaks to find out what the breaking point is. But I don't think those two are the same thing, unless the manufacturer claims it is impossible to break.

Reading the Strider warranty you quoted, I don't think it says the knife is absolutely impossible to break. Maybe Strider said it elsewhere, but lacking any other evidence I base my opinion on the information available. The warranty does not specify exactly what they expect you are doing with it, so maybe it's an incomplete statement. Since any steel blade could be cut in half by applying the right kind of torch for much less than an hour, it is logically flawed to think they mean it is absolutely impossible to break.

Therefore, if you plan for this to include a test of their warranty if it breaks, rather than just a report of how much it takes to break the knife and absorbing the knife as a cost of the test, I think you need to be specific as to what you plan on doing with it and why you think that test/use is covered, where Strider said so, etc. If you do it that way, I think it's a fair test.

Yes I can take the knife to my plasma cutter and cut it to pieces. However this in not what I do in my tests. I work the knife hard until I give out or it gives out.

Strider already has seen my other tests. The Cold Steel Bushman and the K-Bar Bowie 14 1/4. So they already know what I'm going to do. Nothing is being hidden from Strider.

If test use is not covered by manufacturers then they need to state this.
Who will stand by there word ? All my knives If they fail will be returned to the manufactures and be given the same opportunity to stand by there advertised statements. If they do or they don't I will post this all over the web for people to make up there own minds.

 

[noss4]

I'd really like you test an Enders cold chisel.
I like your motto - "the knife world will be watching" - that's a good one.
I hope you get that gameboy you wanted for Christmas!
Ho Ho Ho, Merry Christmas!

I asked for a PSP ? I hope Santa comes through.

 

[mxyz250newb]

After seeing the K-Bar Bowie 14 1/4 video I went and ordered one.

Where can I see the cold steel bushman video?

Strider, noss4 may be taking this test to the extreme, but if your knives hold out as long as the k-bar, it is going to be one of the next knives I buy.

EDIT : I just seen the bushman video... now I've got one coming my way for a late xmas gift to myself