I loved my new SNFO a little too hard!!!

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Look at the tip, it's pretty thin and it tells you it won't take a lot of abuse no matter what steel it's made out of. Jerry is right on, at that hardness, INFI behaved like it should, it didn't snap off right away.
 
Man, I don't get all this "unnecessary" abuse. BKC will fix you up but you deserve what you got. With all due respect.
 
To My understanding, Busse knives are first and foremost user knives.

I tend to use them differently depending on the geometry, My SK and Culti are not choppers or prybars.

My standard N.I.C.K is not a prybar, but it is a pretty good scraper.

I have no Bony Busse knives

My New Model Game Warden(to differenciate from original E model of which only 2 or 3 were made) makes a pretty fair prybar, but does lack something as a chopper.

For the rest, Sharpened Prybar is a title I am Proud to say that they wear.

Use the next one hard and see how it shapes up.

By the way, the NICK is the only User Busse knife that I do not throw, I might throw it if it were Mine, but my Wife frowns on such things(Wife frowns are bad and can lead to worse things) and it is Her knife.
 
I don't think the knife was defective, I just think you might not want to pry or bend a tip that thin.....or smash on something with the flat of the blade. Both things are abuse. If the tip were a FBM tip then I'd say go for it but if you use ANY tool for something it's not meant to do and subject it to stresses it's not meant for it's going to fail. Busse or other. Looking at that knife, it's not a sharpened prybar and the scales aren't fastened with flared tubes so it's more of a camp/bush blade than a sharpenend prybar or a throwing knfie. Sounds like you're more suited to a Battle Mistress :p I know I am ;)

It's nice having the piece of mind that if you break your knife for whatever reason you're going to be taken care of. It's the only knife I'd trust my life to. :) when I get on the fire dept I might just have Garth make me an INFI fire axe :D. If I'm going to be hacking my way through walls, might as well be with INFI!
 
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Quoted for the record... Remember that it's unintentional damage that's covered! :p :D
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Its all legit... I mean I just feel like using it hard whatever happens , happens.. :cool:

Busses are supposed to be renown for their durability so there should be no problem, right? :)
 
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hey, Jerry! Can I have the broken blade? Please. Pretty please with JWB on top!:D
Jerry Busse said:
Nothing a little super glue and duct tape won't fix!!!!. . . :eek:

Holy Oinkin' Yowza!!!!!. . . :eek:

Many of the custom tips are left fairly thin for slicing as most will never see heavy abuse. . . . Oooops!!! :eek:

The bend/set of the tip is actually very impressive, as any other steel at this rockwell hardness would have snapped long before it took that set. I can assure you that the heat treat is okay and falls within the 58-60 Rc spec. INFI is the only steel that I have encountered that will maintain this level of plasticity at such a high hardness. It would've been much easier to say that the heat-treat was messed up, but the bottom line is that it's a geometry issue and not a heat-treat issue.

In the end it doesn't really matter what caused the problem because the Busse warranty is there to keep you covered.

Send that bad boy in. . . We'll drink to its demise. . . and get another one off to you!!!

Let's drink!!!! :thumbup:

Jerry :D
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Lycosa said:
Man, I don't get all this "unnecessary" abuse. BKC will fix you up but you deserve what you got. With all due respect.
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You do realize that the tip broke off with minimal lateral force after being stuck in a piece of wood? If I can't stick a knife in wood without it bending I don't want it. I performed the same stick and pry with the Chopweiler with NO ill effects whatsoever. The knife tip was simply too thin. Now the handle coming loose is a different story, that was from me pounding on a bench with the knife like it was a hammer. If I had done that prior to the tip breaking I would have never posted pics of it or even sent it back.
 
Lycosa said:
Jerry---Don't change a thing, about you and BKC!! ;)
Rolf
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Just for the record I don't fault Jerry or his knives, they are awesome. But like Heavy said, "there's no way i'm gonna pay more for a custom and have it perform less than a CG" or something to that affect.
 
Yea man, that really sucks... I am honestly disappointed in this. I will NEVER buy one of these custom SFNOs no matter how tempted I am. As for future custom ganzaas, well I will approach them with caution. Even the freeking handle fell apart. WTF?? It should still hold up to minimal beating. The Busses I really use see some pretty nasty abuse but I have never had issues with the handles. "except for G10 chipping because I threw it at a rock". That kind of damage is expected. Knives that are for hanging on walls or condemning to a display case is just not for me.
Obviously it was the geometry but, chit man its a Busse, breaking that easy is simply unacceptable.. I wouldask just for a full refund, god knows I would not want the same blade again.. jus my 2 cents..

WVHILLS said:
You do realize that the tip broke off with minimal lateral force after being stuck in a piece of wood? If I can't stick a knife in wood without it bending I don't want it. I performed the same stick and pry with the Chopweiler with NO ill effects whatsoever. The knife tip was simply too thin. Now the handle coming loose is a different story, that was from me pounding on a bench with the knife like it was a hammer. If I had done that prior to the tip breaking I would have never posted pics of it or even sent it back.
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See I figure any of the CG knives with the thicker saber spine are meant for more abusive tasks while a custom shop knife like that is going to be much better at slicing and cutting, which is what most knives are used for, than bringing stabbity death to a piece of wood.
 
Uncle_Jarvis said:
Yea man, that really sucks... I am honestly disappointed in this. I will NEVER buy one of these custom SFNOs no matter how tempted I am. As for future custom ganzaas, well I will approach them with caution. Even the freeking handle fell apart. WTF?? It should still hold up to minimal beating. The Busses I really use see some pretty nasty abuse but I have never had issues with the handles. "except for G10 chipping because I threw it at a rock". That kind of damage is expected. Knives that are for hanging on walls or condemning to a display case is just not for me.
Obviously it was the geometry but, chit man its a Busse, breaking that easy is simply unacceptable.. I wouldask just for a full refund, god knows I would not want the same blade again.. jus my 2 cents..
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First, it's a Busse and the warranty (and Jerry's post) says it all. No worries.

That said, a little common sense goes a long way. If I look down at the knife in hand and it has thin geometry, my common sense would likely say, "Hmmm... Guyon? Maybe you'd be better served using that MOASH or that blunt-nosed Game Warden for stabbing/prying duties."

We just had to deal with one fellow who thought his Busse should emit laser beams prior to hitting rocks/dirt. His "disappointment" notwithstanding, a little common sense might have said to him, "Hmmm... if you don't want your edge to roll, maybe you shouldn't repeatedly chop the ground with a sharpened edge."

INFI is good steel. Great steel if you consider how many desirable qualities it combines in one package. But physics are physics, and with that in mind, I won't be prying doors open with my Bony Active Duty. The blade geometry ain't right, and my father taught me to use the right tool for the job.

I have a custom SFNO similar to the one pictured. And admittedly, because it's thinner than some of my other choppers (and prettier and more expensive), I tend to baby it a little more and use it more for slicing/dicing than chopping/prying/stabbing. Again, physical properties are physical properties, and laser-etching Busse on the blade doesn't change them.

Edit: Hint, hint ... Jerry, are you reading this? :D ... If I get the chance to buy a more robust SFNO blade design (saber ground, thicker spine, blunt tip), then I'll see what a SFNO can do in the more destructive modes.
 
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Hate to see you say that you will never buy a particular Busse product ever again, that wasn't my motivation for posting these pics at all. I never wanted to hurt Jerry's business. I'm not gonna ask for a full refund either but I don't want another thin tipped snfo that'll just snap again. Like I said before if this was just damage to the handle from me smackin it around I would have wrapped some tape around it and just went on like nothing happened.
 
From VWhills description the blade broke way too easy.. This leads me to believe that the overall geometry design was simply bad. I can guarantee my 154CM Hairy Carry gave up more of a fight b4 the tip broke than that infi SFNO.. All I can say is WTF.. I don't plan on using the SFNO as a butter knife.. The size of that blade and overall design should be able to handle minimal use.(sigh):rolleyes:

WVHILLS said:
You do realize that the tip broke off with minimal lateral force after being stuck in a piece of wood? If I can't stick a knife in wood without it bending I don't want it. I performed the same stick and pry with the Chopweiler with NO ill effects whatsoever. The knife tip was simply too thin. Now the handle coming loose is a different story, that was from me pounding on a bench with the knife like it was a hammer. If I had done that prior to the tip breaking I would have never posted pics of it or even sent it back.
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Guyon said:
We just had to deal with one fellow who thought his Busse should emit laser beams prior to hitting rocks/dirt. His "disappointment" notwithstanding, a little common sense might have said to him, "Hmmm... if you don't want your edge to roll, maybe you shouldn't repeatedly chop the ground with a sharpened edge."

The blade geometry ain't right, and my father taught me to use the right tool for the job.

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I hope that I am not now being veiwed as a troll by members of this community, I like it here:thumbup:. My father taught me that as well, what would you suggest the appropriate task for a Special Forces Natural Outlaw with a blade that thin? Glorified $600 dollar kitchen knife? I can slice tomatoes all day with a five dollar knife from walmart if that the case.
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Uncle_Jarvis said:
The size of that blade and overall design should be able to handle minimal use.(sigh):rolleyes:
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Not so sure about minimal prying/stabbing. There's wood and then there's wood. I'm no expert, but the wood in the pics appears to be fine-grained (oak?) and therefore harder and more durable than some other varieties. It also appears to be nicely seasoned.

There are scores of folk songs about how difficult it was to drive railroad ties into similar wood--with a sledge hammer! :p

WVHILLS, I'm sorry this happened to the knife. Maybe, since the SFNO is on deck, you can get something with a thicker tip more in line with what you want it to do.

WVHILLS said:
I hope that I am not now being veiwed as a troll by members of this community, I like it here:thumbup:. My father taught me that as well, what would you suggest the appropriate task for a Special Forces Natural Outlaw with a blade that thin? Glorified $600 dollar kitchen knife? I can slice tomatoes all day with a five dollar knife from walmart if that the case.
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Not my message or my intent at all. It's just that expectations and disappointment came up in that other thread as well. And that guy was a belligerent troll who had a prior beef with Busse and who threatened a member here.

I use mine for just about any task that doesn't require forceful lateral pressure at the tip. It chops pretty well, but it would be better with a saber grind! :p
 
Guyon said:
Not so sure about minimal prying/stabbing. There's wood and then there's wood. I'm no expert, but the wood in the pics appears to be fine-grained (oak?) and therefore harder and more durable than some other varieties. It also appears to be nicely seasoned.

There are scores of folk songs about how difficult it was to drive railroad ties into similar wood--with a sledge hammer! :p

WVHILLS, I'm sorry this happened to the knife. Maybe, since the SFNO is on deck, you can get something with a thicker tip more in line with what you want it to do.
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That would be awesome:thumbup: Not sure what kind of wood it was, but you are right about it being seasoned.
 
WVHILLS said:
I hope that I am not now being veiwed as a troll by members of this community, I like it here:thumbup:. My father taught me that as well, what would you suggest the appropriate task for a Special Forces Natural Outlaw with a blade that thin? Glorified $600 dollar kitchen knife? I can slice tomatoes all day with a five dollar knife from walmart if that the case.
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That is a good question ? What is the intended use for that particular blade?:confused: I can not see anything I would want to use it for other than getting a refund. LMAO, "a glorified 600 dollar kitchen knife."

No way in hell you are being a "Troll" . That thought never came to mind. Everything you said so far is legit.

Really, I have just come to conclude the overall design of those particular SFNOs just does not make any sense given its design/geometry. Thats a shame, at least it is pretty to look at.
 
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