I sucked it up and I am back!!!!!

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Just gotta realize not all people here have same temperment, or understanding of what next person says.

We actually lost a mod one because of the disparity between meant and interpreted.

People need to think before they post, and not go looking for what may not be there when reading.

Don't know what ws PM'd, but if it was enough to cause someone to abandon this forum, well, jsut sad is all it is...
 
Guyon said:
Can I call with a knife and a shoe?

Two shoes.... sort of.

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I fold(er) :D

leatherman said:
Well, you kinda did make the original comment, being cryptic isnt going to help. What did you mean my double standard? :confused:
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What I meant was: Its seems when some particular forum members take heat, waves of members and threads come out in defense, almost crying that said heat should be extinguished. Someone else takes some heat and ribbing over a rather amusing idea, and when he's taken back by all the negativity, he (and the people that shared those feelings) is/are told to stop crying, don't get your panties in a bunch, etc. Especially for a fairly new guy who may not have grasped the nature of things around here.

It goes back to my original statement. What happened to "Its your money, your knife... buy as many or as few as you want and do whatever it is you want to do with them?" Whether it be buying in bulk and flipping or collecting or using or not using or destroying for amusement.

I don't care either way. Haven't taken a side, or even know if sides have been made. Its just an observation. Everyone seems to be saying that "things" have changed around here, but seem to be resistant to figuring out why.


...now I have to resist replying to the replies to my reply. Its a viciously *dumb* cycle.
 
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Hogs come out in defense of a hog they know. New guys aren't known yet. When any hog solicites opinions he's going to get opinions. The only problem with this whole situation is the mysterious message that none of us know what was said and who said it. I don't see a double standard.
 
For those of you who aren’t familiar with how destructive John Browning’s masterpiece is to steel, this isn’t bad:

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=3&t=321012

For myself, I’m not impressed when people abuse equipment or tools. I grew up poor in the mountains of TN and every tool was a cherished possession to be used properly and maintained to ensure the longest service life possible. We had tools and equipment on the farm that went back to the Civil War and they were still in use over 100 years later. Using a knife to cut anchor chains, car bodies, bullets, etc, is just lunacy to me.

Before I retired I always told my young troops that a good rule of thumb on ANY kind of behavior was “what would the Commander or First Sergeant think if they came by and saw what you were doing”? Any CO or Shirt I ever served with would have rightfully clubbed me like a baby seal if they had caught me using a .50 cal BMG on my knife.
 
one good thing...the OP wasn't chased away from bladeforums completely. He last logged in this morning. i think he just abandoned this thread.
 
Nuke41 said:
For myself, I’m not impressed when people abuse equipment or tools. I grew up poor in the mountains of TN and every tool was a cherished possession to be used properly and maintained to ensure the longest service life possible. We had tools and equipment on the farm that went back to the Civil War and they were still in use over 100 years later. Using a knife to cut anchor chains, car bodies, bullets, etc, is just lunacy to me.
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That's exactly where I am. I was brought up to take care of your gear/tools/equipment so that it/they would take care of you. If someone wants to put on a display of wanton destruction, well that's up to them, but I have no problem pointing out senseless destruction or even having a laugh at its expense. Wastefulness is... well... wasteful. "Waste not, want not" is not a bad mantra, especially in this age of consumerism, planned obsolescence, and material waste. I think about what my grandfather or father would have said about someone wanting to destroy a quality tool--one that otherwise would be capable of spanning generations. It would probably go, "Something just ain't right with that boy." :p

stealthchaser13 said:
one good thing...the OP wasn't chased away from bladeforums completely. He last logged in this morning. i think he just abandoned this thread.
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The dude wanted some attention. Believe me, he's checking out this thread periodically.
 
Soulrack223 said:
Hogs come out in defense of a hog they know. New guys aren't known yet. When any hog solicites opinions he's going to get opinions. The only problem with this whole situation is the mysterious message that none of us know what was said and who said it. I don't see a double standard.
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I stated a few times now where I believe a double standard exists.

Its your knife and money. Do what you want with them both... unless you're not a HOG with friends and your post count is below 1000. Then you will be criticized and guilted

Its the very camaraderie we share between us (I humbly include myself) that seems to work against new guys.

Hog Snaps Busse in two in a vise = "Wow! that's amazing... our knives are so cool

New guy shoots BWM with .50cal = Hey you shouldn't do that!


Hog buys 100 knives and sells them with mark up = Thanks for doing your part keeping Busse afloat and providing a service

New guy buys a handful of knives and turns a profit on the exchange = Hey!! That's deceptive and not conducive to a friendly community.

There... far less cryptic, but way too long winded. Can we drink now? :D
 
adrock1978 said:
Hog buys 100 knives and sells them with mark up = Thanks for doing your part keeping Busse afloat and providing a service

New guy buys a handful of knives and turns a profit on the exchange = Hey!! That's deceptive and not conducive to a friendly community.

There... far less cryptic, but way too long winded. Can we drink now? :D
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This part is true, I really noticed this after Blade this year
 
No double standard here...

adrock1978 said:
Hog Snaps Busse in two in a vise = "Wow! that's amazing... our knives are so cool
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I have consistently ridiculed such waste, Noss4 (especially Noss4) included. I'm sure his "tests" have sold a lot of knives for Busse, but I personally think they're ridiculous.

adrock1978 said:
New guy shoots BWM with .50cal = Hey you shouldn't do that!
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See above.

adrock1978 said:
Hog buys 100 knives and sells them with mark up = Thanks for doing your part keeping Busse afloat and providing a service
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I think Dealers should have to sell their knives in the Dealers forum. 'Nuff said. :cool:

adrock1978 said:
New guy buys a handful of knives and turns a profit on the exchange = Hey!! That's deceptive and not conducive to a friendly community.
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After a while, you generally get a sense of who really cares about the knives, so yes, post count or time on BFC might play a role here. However, flippers are flippers. They generally find themselves on the outs when it comes to getting good deals from other members, long-term Hogs included. In the past, I had a hard time selling to one member (for whom I'd proxied) when it became obvious his intention was to flip the knife. I kept my word and made the deal, but I will not sell to him again.
 
adrock1978 said:
Its your knife and money. Do what you want with them both...
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By the same token...

It's your opinion and your sense of humor, do what you want with them both.


:D


TacBlade is obviously offended by some of the heat he took.
However, his proposal offended the sensibilities of many here who value good tools.

As for things I've seen the older crowd do without a lot of grief... leatherman stabbed a knife into a hood once, but the reality is that sheet metal is actually pretty thin and no match for tempered steel. Bending a knife (like Dave Brown) is riskier, but Dave already had seen the flex tests that Busse has done on the knives. In both these instances, there really wasn't a significant chance that the blade was going bye-bye.

Shooting with a .50 caliber round? That's a different story. The knife is going down, and that's just waste, plain and simple. I've actually never seen a Hog simply lay waste to a blade just for the heck of it.

Unless, of course, you count Grinducci. That poor, poor Game Warden... :p
 
adrock1978 said:
I stated a few times now where I believe a double standard exists.

Its your knife and money. Do what you want with them both... unless you're not a HOG with friends and your post count is below 1000. Then you will be criticized and guilted

Its the very camaraderie we share between us (I humbly include myself) that seems to work against new guys.

Hog Snaps Busse in two in a vise = "Wow! that's amazing... our knives are so cool

New guy shoots BWM with .50cal = Hey you shouldn't do that!


Hog buys 100 knives and sells them with mark up = Thanks for doing your part keeping Busse afloat and providing a service

New guy buys a handful of knives and turns a profit on the exchange = Hey!! That's deceptive and not conducive to a friendly community.

There... far less cryptic, but way too long winded. Can we drink now? :D
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either your reading or memory is selective.
 
Well the double standard mentioned is not so often encountered as to mean there is a serious problem.

Let's look at it logically. If you read the guys posts .... clearly he did'nt know that a cast lead bullet in a .50 BMG is not going to work .... and he said he only had "two" rounds ( one of them being a .50 lead ball ). IMO as far as I know, to shoot cast lead bullets in a .50 BMG is going to risk case seperation if you re-load for them as the amount of powder charge would be so small in the large case it is likely to be dangerous. I have not re-loaded for the .50 BMG however .... but do fully understand the principles. Jerry pointed this out too ... it made me think when I read his post he was as Guyon says "looking for attention" and may well have'nt got a clue what he is doing ... or he is just BS about doing it for again "attention seeking".

My thoughts about destroying knives are the same as Guyon's and I suspect many on here .... especially when they are a good quality knife and not a simple "cheapo".

However, there are ways of splitting a bullet with a knife edge which are reasonably doable with the right bullet calibre, skill at shooting and without damaging your knife. A .22 LR lead cast bullet is the perfect example .... nothing wrong in that at all. I have been to shooting comps sponsored by a knife company who used their cheap throwing blades edge on as targets at 100 yards to see if anyone could split a .308/7.62 jacketed round. They did split them but the edges were ruined and so in all probablitity was the knife in terms of inherent weakness in the blade. Those knives were getting "binned" after the comp though ... but equally were a very cheap knife to begin with.

Now if you exclude that sort of marketing .... and include guys using common sense and rounds as low powered as .22LR ... there is no real harm in this.

Nailing a knife with a .50 BMG though is just the same as putting it in the bin .... you will destroy it with a true .50 BMG round.

Now there is then the difference of "it is your knife" you paid for it .... fair enough IMO ... but if you are asking for my opinion as to whether you should do it .... my opinion is "no" .... but to each their own ... that is the benefit of freedom of speech.

The "collector" v "the user" thing is to me a none issue. I can understand and applaud a collector quite easily .... and if I like to go one step further and use mine ... so what ? Others who want to say otherwise about it is wrong to have so many unused knives .... well IMO they are simply wrong .... but again we need to agree to disagree .... and each to their own.

Selling for profit .... I have no issue with that either .... Jerry would'nt be in business if he did'nt do it and anyone brokering knives is just as entitled to do so. Again ... it is a free world.

If you are picking up the stock at shows though ... spare a thought for your customer base and the "goodwill" you get will more than make up for losing a piece here and there .... my opinion .... not everyone's perhaps .... but we can all get along.

However, come into the forum and post for opinions and not have the backbone to ride out those who don't agree with you .... then say your not coming back .... my attitude to people like that is "you're the author of your own misfortune" .... and I am not going to champion their cause ....

Ultimately .... there is very little double standard posting here IMO ... I have not seen a new guy hit upon for "flipping" .... and I have not seen many have a go at people who are collectors because they don't use their knives .... certainly not personally .... perhaps the odd post that they could'nt see it right as a concept .... but then there are others who say "live and let live" in such posts and usually no big issue is made.

This guy however simply is'nt worth all the fuss IMO .... if he stuck it out .... fair enough .... but I am not going to lose sleep over it .... others can do so if they wish ....
 
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