i went and did a very bad thing...

mlovett - those are some gorgeous knives... and ive always been a fan of loveless designs as well.
although i didnt see as much of them as i would have liked - im on dialup (at least for another week) and some of your images are gigantic. any chance you could email me a price list? i didnt see anything posted.

cheers,
-gabriel
 
Rat Finkenstein said:
So, what you're really saying is you have no clue about anything. Of course I already had known that from some of your past posting, I guess it was just wishful thinking on my part, hoping you might have learned something, anything. . . :rolleyes:
Click to expand...

when it comes to exploiting a nation's people, i dont make a distinction based on the type of government. exploiting a poor nation to manufacture your product cheaply is the same to me no matter how the country is run. weve been exploting mexicans, taiwanese, and the chinese for decades now to manufacture everything from cars to knives. i totally understand and respect people who loyally buy US made products when possible in support for their country. however, ill scoff at someone who justifies exploiting mexicans and taiwanese, but boycotts the chinese for the same damned thing.

and i dont want to get into a political discussion here - or anywhere for that matter. i refuse to discuss politics or religion any such topic in any forum, or with anyone who i give a rats ass about or wish to remain a friend. all it ever results in is back and forth flaming and arguing, and noone ever convinces anyone else of their opinions. so can we please stay on topic? thanks.
 
If you like the knife then that's all that really matters. Not everybody can shell out $400 for the mighty Sebenza, hell some of us can't afford a Griptilian these days.
 
Rat Finkenstein said:
Is it even possible to make a more dunder-headed statement?

If you dont know the difference between Communism and Democracy, then you are a moron. :thumbdn:


So, what you're really saying is you have no clue about anything. Of course I already had known that from some of your past posting, I guess it was just wishful thinking on my part, hoping you might have learned something, anything. . .
Click to expand...

Wow you answered your own question. Twice! Albeit unknowingly i"m sure.
Up to now the conversation has remained pretty mature and respectful, and although flaming can be entertaining at times, it's obvious that Blackhearted won't sink down and go tit for tat with you. So why don't you just simmer down a bit and try to add something to the conversation rather than make it degrade into a flame fest.
 
I got one of those. I got it because I wanted to see if a karambit would be as useful as I thought it would in my line of work. And guess what, it is. and it only cost me $10. so now I have more money to buy an emerson, or a ladyhawk, or a civilian or a CS talon, or a caracara(when it comes out) etc...

plus, around Rochester, there isn't much in the way of cutlery shops that sell folders. :( so you're stuck with either sporting goods stores that don't carry anything worth more than $150, or the Steel Source which has a nice collection of Harley Davidson knives, or Oriental City 10 which sells, you guessed it, Mtech.

The Mtech display practically screams "we are cheap POS" (complete with dropped articles and incorrect tenses)

I had something else intelligent to say here but I think the Mtech sucked it out of my head, copied it, and sold it as it's own idea.
 
Marcelo Cantu said:
Wow you answered your own question. Twice! Albeit unknowingly i"m sure.
Up to now the conversation has remained pretty mature and respectful, and although flaming can be entertaining at times, it's obvious that Blackhearted won't sink down and go tit for tat with you. So why don't you just simmer down a bit and try to add something to the conversation rather than make it degrade into a flame fest.
Click to expand...

Please feel free to take your own advice, since you havent added anything except a critique of my response to the other guys assertation.
In the interests of avoiding a political discussion, I wont press the issue. I have absolutely no problem with someone buying a cheap knife from china. My problem was only with the guy's poor understanding of political and ethical standards. But that has already proven a moot discussion

As to the steel of the knife, I would suggest cutting a bunch of cardboard and test how long it can hold the edge. Compare it to a 440A blade from another manufacturer while you're at it.
 
Blackhearted said:
either way, i dont see this as a 'ripoff'. it looks like a pretty original design to me (although Mtech has copied other knives in the past, thats true).
Click to expand...

The knife was originally designed by Liong Mah. It was designed for Mike Turber and Boss Knives. Master Cutlery (also known as Mtech), the company that Mike Turber was going to have make knives for him, stole the design and came out with it themselves.
 
I heard this and wondered if any of you guys know whether it's true or not?? :confused: " Every time a Chinaman makes a knife, God kills a kitten"
 
There is a BIG difference between a knock-off company like M-Tech stealing designs and manufacturing them in unsupervised factories, and companies like CRKT, Spyderco, and Cold Steel going to Japan, Taiwan -- or even China -- and having them made in a transparent manner by workers who get a decent salary by local standards. Kershaw is a branch of Kai Cutlery of Japan, which runs its own factory in China, making the entire operation legitimate.

But stealing designs, hiding the actual quality behind false advertising ... you pays your money and you takes your choice. If you ever get a chance to hold an authorized knife designed by Liong Mah, you may understand the difference. If we as a community fail to support creativity and quality, we will all end up driving Yugos.

"There is hardly anything in the world that some man cannot make a little worse and sell a little cheaper and the people who consider price only are this man's lawful prey."
 
people who consider price only are this man's lawful prey
Click to expand...

Or in this case sounds like satisfied customer would fit more than lawful prey..

Gas prices are freaking out of control also so what everyone stop buying it and it will change? nope I doubt it.. and that is very unlikley to ever happen.. There is always going to be these kinds of people in the markets .. bu it is not my problem.. It sounds like some of you guys are just reading what you want too and not seeing that his main statment about this knife is that he is impressed with it more than the known makers out there he has bought from.. And why can't the $50-100+ knives step up and get there products out the door with this kind of F&F and quality

~Jeff
 
Nothing wrong with some of the knives coming out of China these days and this is another good example of that.

It's funny to hear people putting down Chinese manufactured knives when they already have any number of items in their house made in China.
Better get used to it.
 
From what I have previously read about the Mtech karambit, and then what I have read here, the quality must be quite variable. This makes sense. Considering the price of their knives, I would think that quality control is something that Mtech spends little time worrying about.

One thing I will say though, Mtech knives are nowhere near the lowest quality knives out there. They probably do offer reasonable value. That having been said, I will never knowingly support a company that thinks that stealing designs is an acceptable business practice.
 
How is it that these people have stolen these designs and nothing happen to them like getting sued?? Just wondering..
~Jeff
 
jefff said:
How is it that these people have stolen these designs and nothing happen to them like getting sued?? Just wondering..
~Jeff
Click to expand...

China doesn't really respect US patent and copyright laws. I don't think it would be easy to sue a Chinese-based company.

Also, many knives that are called "knockoffs" are indeed knockoffs, but not EXACTLY the same so they may be different enough avoid problems.

Heck, plenty of imported autos enter the US illegally and the companies apparently get away with it.
 
Keith Montgomery said:
From what I have previously read about the Mtech karambit, and then what I have read here, the quality must be quite variable. This makes sense. Considering the price of their knives, I would think that quality control is not something that Mtech spends little time worrying about.

One thing I will say though, Mtech knives are nowhere near the lowest quality knives out there. They probably do offer reasonable value. That having been said, I will never knowingly support a company that thinks that stealing designs is an acceptable business practice.
Click to expand...

at $8 a pop, you can easily afford to buy 2, and if one of them has a defect chuck it in your tackle or tool box.
i paid $50 for a new CRKT M21 about a month ago, and the liner engages all the way over on the tang when flipped open - leaving 0% room for wear. suffice to say i was pretty pissed off, and this never should have passed their QC. trying to get it replaced, i find out that the knife is on back order and im going to have to wait a month before a replacement is even put in the mail.
a becker brute i paid $86 for has a totally off-center blade, which is unacceptable in my book. i had no time to get it replaced because it was a gift - and i didnt want it to be belated.
this just goes to illustrate that every company has QC issues. ironically, the mtech knife had neither of these issues - perfectly centred edge, and the liner engaged at 1/3 the way across the tang and locked up perfectly tight.

"...the people who consider price only are this man's lawful prey."
Click to expand...

this is pretty insulting. the entire point of this thread was that ordinarily i would not have considered one of these knives, but for kicks i tried one out and i was very pleased with the value and quality. so pleased, in fact, that im now disappointed with the shoddy QC, F&F and cheaper materials (zytel/plastic scales) that we have alll been told are 'acceptable' on production knives in the $50-100 range.

cheers,
-gabriel
 
Blackhearted said:
mlovett - those are some gorgeous knives... and ive always been a fan of loveless designs as well.
although i didnt see as much of them as i would have liked - im on dialup (at least for another week) and some of your images are gigantic. any chance you could email me a price list? I didnt see anything posted.

cheers,
-gabriel
Click to expand...
I'll try to get you a few prices out tuesday. Warning!!! a lot higher than Chi-com Heee! Heee! :eek: Droped dial-up a few months back. man, What a difference.
 
mlovett said:
I'll try to get you a few prices out tuesday. Warning!!! a lot higher than Chi-com Heee! Heee! :eek: Droped dial-up a few months back. man, What a difference.
Click to expand...

of course :)
i dont mind paying for handcrafted quality.
im not on dialup by choice - im way in the boonies so its the only option. had satellite internet for awhile but aside from its astronomical cost it sucked, was worse than dialup at times. they went out of business in may, so im back to dialup. moving in a week though so ill be on highspeed again, finally.

cheers,
-gabriel
 
You are too easily insulted. Trust me, if I meant to insult you, the world would know it. :rolleyes:

Zytel is not cheap plastic. It is a fiberglass-reinforced nylon, and it holds up under serious stress. It is also lighter and less-expensive, which doesn't hurt, either.

But buying two because they're cheap could be asking for a cheap lock collapsing in your hand. Ouch?

For all those who are trying to make this into an argument that disagreeing with one Chinese company's policies is a knock all all Chinese products -- learn to read. Very few people here are doctrinaire anti-communist anti-Chinese. Most of us are happy to do business with any reliable supplier.

America is strengthened by competition, in price and quality. It would be nice to find that combined with honesty as well.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
America is strengthened by competition, in price and quality. It would be nice to find that combined with honesty as well.
Click to expand...

my point all along. and if theres anything id like to see come of this its better F&F and some better materials from american or tier 1 manufacturers. if a cheap-o™ chinese brand can have good F&F and G10 scales on an $8 knife, then i would expect the same on a $50 or $100 US or taiwanese made one at a minimum.

cheers,
-gabriel
 
I think that a big part of the price difference will come from what the company is. For instance, Buck has a warranty department, a customer service department, and a quality controll department among other things. That equates to a lot of people making sure you get a quality product, and a lot more people making sure you are satisfied with it. Go ahead and break your Mtech. Call the company. See what happens. Can you even find a number for the company?
I post this to make a point. I don't mean to insult or offend.
The Quality Controll is another big point. Yes, you got a well constructed knife. However I'm sure there are many people who will buy Mtechs and recieve a lesser quality product. I just don't think they are going the extra distance to make sure that you will be happy with your purchase.
I think it's cool that you got a great deal on a decent knife. But I would recomend putting this puppy to the test of time. You could test the hell out of it untill it breaks. However that usually is not helpful for a real life measure of endurance. I say just use this sucker and see what happens. Maybe it is a great knife.
Let's just have a little fun with it.
-KC
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top