Idaho Made Poll (Proper)

How do you feel about the Idaho Made Engraving

  • I like it and will purchase more knives with it

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  • I dislike it but will purchase knives with it

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  • I dislike it and will not purchase knives with it

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • I dislike it to the point I will not consider future CRK

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I don't think CRK is known for doing the most popular thing and trying to please everyone. Just a thought, but how many people were disappointed the Regular model got discontinued? Or the Classic? Or the Original? I have a Large P and love the thumbstud on in.
 
Plenty of people would love if the Sebenza was only $100 MSRP. Doesn't mean that's going to change just because it's a popular opinion.
 
For me, the Idaho Made stamp affects the "second type of cool" that Nutnfancy mentions in his videos. The plain Sebenza was supposed to be just that: plain. Any embellishments that you wanted to add other than the CR logo was up to you, the buyer. The MM stamp was pretty classy, but IMO the "Idaho Made" is just two extra words, and not too artfully done on the Sebenza.

Personally, this stamp means that if I do choose to purchase a Sebenza, I will do it in the marketplace and find one without the new stamp. I feel that state pride is good, but here, it just doesn't seem to fit with the spirit of the knife.
 
mongomondo said:
Plenty of people would love if the Sebenza was only $100 MSRP. Doesn't mean that's going to change just because it's a popular opinion.
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I don't necessarily disagree with the point you're making... although, to compare the MSRP to a cosmetic stylization seems completely irrelevant, IMO.

The MSRP will never decrease, for a handful of reasons, ranging from basic business principals to material costs and overhead.

I really don't know CRK's history of change based on customer feedback, but i certainly think it's feasible for them take a poll like this into consideration for future design.

I think there has been a huge demand/interest for the return of the "Regular Sebenza", and although slight, those changes are fundamentally different in comparison to the "21". It seems as if the "Regular" handle and blade shape will not return to the Sebenza line up, but i still would not compare customers preference on 2 stamped cosmetic words vs. the demand of a functional design change.

in other words, i think it's possible CRK would take this poll into consideration, in a way they would not if it had more to do with the design of functionality, but the preference of MSRP should not even enter the conversation.
 
Having now had more than enough time to mull this over and having now seen the engraving with my own eyes on a few knives, I have to say my mind has not changed.

The I.M. engraving was the sole reason I didn't buy the 2010 anual knife (A lovely piece, but just not with that engraving) at a knife show I attended over the weekend. It comes as less of an eye sore on the standard models but still not something I'm going to pay for. I know it wasn't just me that didn't buy a CRK because of the engraving that day either.

If the engraving gets moved to the inside of the scales (or maybe under the clip) I'll climb back on board, but for now that's me out of the new CRK market and into the old.........
 
I thought that this would be a good place to mention that I would love to get an "idaho made" seb at a good price. Any of you haters that accidentally get stuck with one, just hit me up. I feel like doing a good deed. (preferably large) ;)
 
BigBrad75 said:
I thought that this would be a good place to mention that I would love to get an "idaho made" seb at a good price. Any of you haters that accidentally get stuck with one, just hit me up. I feel like doing a good deed. (preferably large) ;)
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You're in the Chris Reeve Knives sub-forum not the Snody sub-forum. There's no "haters" here just informed and disgruntled CRK customers. As if I'd buy a $400 folder and not know what it had stamped on it. :rolleyes:
 
Unfortunately I do have the 2010 Annual knife as I wanted to see for myself and I can confirm without a doubt that it does not look good. The stamp is facing the wrong way and looks out of place. I'm afraid it looks like a stamp you would find on a cheap knife.

No more new sebbies for me until the stamp goes.
 
giant1 said:
Unfortunately I do have the 2010 Annual knife as I wanted to see for myself and I can confirm without a doubt that it does not look good. The stamp is facing the wrong way and looks out of place. I'm afraid it looks like a stamp you would find on a cheap knife.

No more new sebbies for me until the stamp goes.
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'Stamp' or no stamp - it is still a quality knife.
 
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You had a pretty good post there BBQ Boy, I read it before you deleted it and actually agreed with some of it. :thumbup:

After my initial romp in this thread, I have kinda cooled my jets. Oh I still have my "opinions", but they have been stated.

And like you said in your deleted post.. that is all this is about anyway... opinions and preferences.

It is not about the quality of the product, knives in this case; it is about two words. Some like them, some don't, some don't care either way.

I have a feeling, and I may be proven wrong; that CRK will come through this integrated management decision just fine and the bottom line will continue to prosper... just as it has for years.

Some "customers" may well drop by the wayside and decide not to participate in the newly integrated transitional concepts. But hey, things change.... no biggie. There will be new customers to come along and fill the void.... if indeed there even is a void.

CRK will continue to do well and prosper in the market place, because they have excellent products. That is what gets people's attention as well as keeps it.
 
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I have a feeling, and I may be proven wrong; that CRK will come through this integrated management decision just fine and the bottom line will continue to prosper... just as it has for years.

Some "customers" may well drop by the wayside and decide not to participate in the newly integrated transitional concepts. But hey, things change.... no biggie. There will be new customers to come along and fill the void.... if indeed there even is a void.

CRK will continue to do well and prosper in the market place, because they have excellent products. That is what gets people's attention as well as keeps it.
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This not a personal attack okay, just an opinion and my last post in this thread. :) I think you're way too optimistic in your feelings about the quoted text. As you mentioned, I'm sure some will fall by the wayside but new customers coming along and filling the void is speculative at best.

Look at the poll and ask yourself if you were serious about your vote. I was and I bet you were too. That's not a good sign from members who frequent the CRK sub-forum, not to mention that these new customers who come along will be coming from where? Not savvy blade collectors/buyers.

Non-knife people buy their knives at sporting goods stores, Wal-Mart, Home Depot etc...for a cheap sticker price. These guys view knives as cutting implements, unlike us, who see them as art, collectible and items to be handed down to children and such.

Anyone I know on a face to face basis never heard of a Sebenza let alone an Umnumzaan or Mnandi. This is gibberish to them. They know Buck and a couple others if that.

These are economic hard times and anyone watching CNN can say with some certainty that they appear to be getting worse.

Where will these new savvy customers/collectors come from and if they do pop out of the woodwork and want a Chris Reeve knife, they'll have searched and found squabbles about the "stamp" that Mr. Reeve has insisted on smashing into the beautiful Ti handle, ruining any value the knife had of being highly desirable to the vast majority of voters here, let alone the public at large.

I think they'll hide the stamp for awhile as they are on websites now, but anyone, who after getting over the sticker shock and looking at the present version, will just gently lay it back down on the counter and be on their way.

Too many awards and too many years can skew a man's judgment. It's an age thing and also an arrogance thing, the way I see it. I say this because I'm not that far off in age and us older farts tend to make decisions that we are loathe to back off from. I'm sitting in my office with 3 walls full of diplomas, certifications, awards and various accolades that really mean nothing to me anymore. I've stopped taking myself seriously. If I believed 1/2 the stuff on them, my head would be too big to go through the door. Didn't want to write this line but so others can try and understand. :o

The future will prove us/me right or wrong in our speculations.

The "let them eat cake" attitude in it's original context or as applied to any business decision in the present day's economy could end up with catastrophic results. Just my $.02 ...... I don't and never will own a Ti framelock with some cr*p like that stamped into it. . :(
 
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That's a little harsh bro

cziv said:
Too many awards and too many years can skew a man's judgment. It's an age thing and also an arrogance thing, the way I see it. The future will prove us/me right or wrong in our speculations.

The "let them eat cake" attitude in it's original context or as applied to any business decision in the present day's economy could end up with catastrophic results. Just my $.02 ...... I don't and never will own a Ti framelock with some cr*p like that stamped into it. . :(
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teacher said:
You had a pretty good post there BBQ Boy, I read it before you deleted it and actually agreed with some of it. :thumbup:

After my initial romp in this thread, I have kinda cooled my jets. Oh I still have my "opinions", but they have been stated.

And like you said in your deleted post.. that is all this is about anyway... opinions and preferences.

It is not about the quality of the product, knives in this case; it is about two words. Some like them, some don't, some don't care either way.

I have a feeling, and I may be proven wrong; that CRK will come through this integrated management decision just fine and the bottom line will continue to prosper... just as it has for years.

Some "customers" may well drop by the wayside and decide not to participate in the newly integrated transitional concepts. But hey, things change.... no biggie. There will be new customers to come along and fill the void.... if indeed there even is a void.

CRK will continue to do well and prosper in the market place, because they have excellent products. That is what gets people's attention as well as keeps it.
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I don't think CRK is a company that should have to depend on the "revolving door" when it comes to customers. It would be nice to see them keep those customers that have spent 1000's of $ with them through the years and not have them "fall by the way side". I my self as a business owner would have big problems with long standing customers going else where because of a decision/change that I had made, that to my customers seemed to come from no where for no good reason.

Sure, may be some of us CRK fans are a bit old school when it comes to stuff like this but that is the nature of the CRK customer base. We tend to have a more expendable income, for what ever reason, and that tends to go along with a particular life style and set of opinions. Every one is different of course and I can only speak for my self and those I know personally, but not many "uninformed" kids are jumping about with a Sebenza in their pocket they bought with their own money.
 
Haze said:
I don't think CRK is a company that should have to depend on the "revolving door" when it comes to customers. It would be nice to see them keep those customers that have spent 1000's of $ with them through the years and not have them "fall by the way side". I my self as a business owner would have big problems with long standing customers going else where because of a decision/change that I had made, that to my customers seemed to come from no where for no good reason.

Sure, may be some of us CRK fans are a bit old school when it comes to stuff like this but that is the nature of the CRK customer base. We tend to have a more expendable income, for what ever reason, and that tends to go along with a particular life style and set of opinions. Every one is different of course and I can only speak for my self and those I know personally, but not many "uninformed" kids are jumping about with a Sebenza in their pocket they bought with their own money.
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Well said Haze. :thumbup:
 
Stainz said:
Welcome to the forum!



Hmmm, sounds like you need an autoclave. Wouldn't that drive out the grease??

Stainz
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CRK's grease is good up to 500*F, an autoclave is ~121*C (250*F) so it should be fine. :) Go use your Sebenza for surgery!
 
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