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I hear what you are saying, but I don't think in life size that it will be nearly as drastic as it appears in those magnified close up pictures. :)

And I really have no problem with anyone who does not care for it.

I do however personally think that statements some have made of boycotting CRK and suggestions of protests on Facebook over the - IDAHO MADE - marking are a bit asinine and extreme. ;)
 
I do however personally think that statements some have made of boycotting CRK and suggestions of protests on Facebook over the - IDAHO MADE - marking are a bit asinine and extreme. ;)

Yes very much so! And Quite frankly I don't care if the knife is pink with a green smiley face on it Im going to buy it because unlike the guys upstairs who sell the BS and give the knife away for free, CRK is the best knife money can buy and that will never change
 
Yes very much so! And Quite frankly I don't care if the knife is pink with a green smiley face on it Im going to buy it because unlike the guys upstairs who sell the BS and give the knife away for free, CRK is the best knife money can buy and that will never change
+1 ...... :thumbup:
 
I hear what you are saying, but I don't think in life size that it will be nearly as drastic as it appears in those magnified close up pictures. :)

And I really have no problem with anyone who does not care for it.

I do however personally think that statements some have made of boycotting CRK and suggestions of protests on Facebook over the - IDAHO MADE - marking are a bit asinine and extreme. ;)

I don't think being vocal about what we think of the new design is foolish.

Since when did speaking up about our opinion become foolish my good sir?

If some individuals want to boycott, <though boycott is a strong word, it's more like if they you don't like it don't buy it> the knife because of the Idaho made, let them..

If some individuals want to put up a I DON'T LIKE THE IDAHO MADE STAMP on facebook or any form of website, let them. It's our money to spend, and our opinions to share.


Saying we don't like something doesn't mean we are spreading bad stuff about their products. To those who like the new design, let them enjoy them and to those who don't let them speak their mind.

We are in no way disrespecting the maker or the knife or the knife by saying the new design is not to the liking of some. Listening to customers is one way to improve on the product and keep/make new customers. I'm sure they would like to know the opinions of their customers and future customers.

Oh, and I respect your opinion as well Mr Teacher and I am certainly not looking for an argument. Just polite opinion sharing.
 
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i'm planning to get a small seb for christmas, but now i have to look on the sh market, unless cr will provide the "no idaho engrave" service. i would pay, say extra $10, for S35VN and no stamp.
 
i'm planning to get a small seb for christmas, but now i have to look on the sh market, unless cr will provide the "no idaho engrave" service. i would pay, say extra $10, for S35VN and no stamp.

I'd slip 'em a little cash too.
 
I hear what you are saying, but I don't think in life size that it will be nearly as drastic as it appears in those magnified close up pictures. :)

And I really have no problem with anyone who does not care for it.

I do however personally think that statements some have made of boycotting CRK and suggestions of protests on Facebook over the - IDAHO MADE - marking are a bit asinine and extreme. ;)

This I agree with.

Did people swear off CRK when the Regular pattern was nixed? Something tells me they didn't. :)
 
Here is a question that I don't believe has been asked.

Will CRK start adding "Idaho Made" to their fix blades as well?

If it is added to show patriotism and/or to indicate that nothing is outsourced, I could easily see this making its way on the fixed blades at the base of the blade.
 
I'm new to this bus stop. My first (and only) CRK is my recent StarTac 'zaan - and I was kind of excited over it's 'Idaho Made' etching - kind of exclusive. Not so, all of the new ones will bear that - oh well!

Now, on another bus route, I am a S&W revolver fan. Folks over there - since 2002 or so - have lamented the addition of the Internal Lock - many stating the same thing I've seen here. No new production for them - ever - only second hand market purchases in their future. It's sad on both routes - you'll never own a new release - and, believe me, S&W and CRK will have some neat new releases. Protest the change - vote with your wallet - but never say never - keep your eyes open. As an example, suppose this had happened a few years back - pre 'zaan - wouldn't that be a horrible knife to miss out on?

Stainz
 
To put a bit of perspective on this discussion, the complaints are not about putting "IDAHO MADE" on the knife, but rather the placement. I completely understand why Chris and Anne want to take pride in the fact that their products are made in Idaho, and commend them for that.

My StarTac is apparently one from the first batch, because it lacks this marking, and also lacks the Wilson Combat logo on the pocket clip, both of which were done in an extraordinarily tasteful fashion. I prefer the Large over the Small, in terms of the Sebenza of any flavor, but the fact that the Star-Benza has these markings done in such a tasteful fashion is prodding me to order one. In other words, the way in which the markings are done on the Star-Benza serves as a selling point. Unfortunately, those on the standard Sebenza 21 are serving to repel customers, mainly due to placement.

In my opinion, the best place to put the "IDAHO MADE" lettering is on the pocket clip.

As a side note, GAP recently went through a comparable issue when they introduced a new logo. The customer complaints, many of whom are designers themselves, were so strong that GAP very quickly gave up on the new logo, and simply went back to the previous one. (My area of expertise is typography, and the design of logos usually involves typography, which is why I had awareness of GAP's logo issue.)

Also as a side note, there is a reason why people are getting bent out of shape about this issue. Poor typography stands out like a eye sore, but good typography is not noticed. In other words, if we look at this from the point of view of typography, the markings on the StarTac and Star-Benza are done well, but those on the standard Sebenza 21 are done poorly. The following is a paragraph from page 473 of my latest book, entitled "CJKV Information Processing" (Second Edition):
You may have observed, perhaps even at a somewhat subconscious level, that poor typography sticks out and is easily noticed, but that good typography is almost always overlooked and seemingly invisible. In other words, when text is poorly typeset or laid out, the focus of the reader is on the typography, not its content. Furthermore, when text is typeset well, the words are more directly conveyed to the reader, with less interference. Thus, for typographers, and to some extent for the applications that perform typography, the better they do their job, the less their efforts are noticed by those who use the end result of their labors.
 
Are you serious, you really don't get it? :confused:

They are now US Citizens who live in Idaho, where the knives are made.
Thus .... " IDAHO MADE " .... The new marking, the new standard, for the same fantastic folders CRK has made for years.

Get on board, this extremely subtle very minor slight change in marking is not a bad thing at all. It is a subtle proud statement of a geographic location where a fantastic knife is made. :thumbup: :)

I Like It!!!!!
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You've got to be kidding.... a "protest thread on Facebook" about how a man marks his knives. :confused: :eek: :rolleyes:

See above....... get a life.
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Yes I do get it. I respect your opinion on the fact that you like it just fine but you negated the value of your opinion by clearly being a jerk by calling people names and cussing on CRK's forum. Very disrespectful. Listen "teacher" 95% of the people here protest the name as we have the right to. We do not like it and that should mean something since we are the ones buying their knives. I'm from Germany and own 2 companies. I do not brand my product with (insert state name here) on them. I have a different product line but people buy my product based on the location. It's part of our branding not the case for CRK. To me your tone in unwarranted and immature. I have seen no one "boycotting" CRK's. I have seen opinions that have been they do not like the Idaho Made imprint so they will continue to buy CRK's but on the secondary market. Very heavy words you have chosen that are asinine.
Fooj,
Great post. I totally appreciate Chris and Anne and how far they have come. That is the dream story that America has been made from. People should be allowed to come to this country like my family did and make a name for themselves legally. Well not that way anymore. I know that you know them pretty well and I like and appreciate your view.
I am glad that Chris and Anne have such an appreciation for this country and what they have built. No one here would argue that in the slightest.
However, this is a consumer product and the consumers should be heard. Like I said earlier if I changed my product and didn't receive positive feedback with my customers saying they may not return because of my decision then I would reverse that decision.
If I had the mentality of some business owners that say "well I'm doing it my way and I don't care what anyone says" then I better be looking for a new career because I have just shot myself in the head. I've committed corporate suicide. Now I know this will not happen to CRK's if they did take that view because they are such a jewel in the knife community but it may stain their product just a touch and decrease sales.
For me if I really want a CRK and it happened to have Idaho Made then I will buy it but I will not like it as much.
These are my opinions and my American given right to do so so flame away.
 
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Whoa! That sucks. I can see a "premium" being charged in future for-sale posts on the forums. Pre-stamped knives are going to cost more. Watch and see. That logo sucks. Bad. I feel sorry for the folks that paid good money for the "real thing" only to have their order come in with that crap on it. That's what we old guys refer to as.... Well, I can't say those words in this forum. But I think the people that have these knives in their possession (especially after having ordered and waited for one) know the word I'm grasping for. Yikes. That's frightfully stupid.
 
For myself, I don't really care for the lettering at first glance even though I understand a little of the meaning behind it (thanks brother Fooj). I can say with confidence, however ,that it will not be a determining factor for me in future knife purchases. Chris Reeve makes the finest production knives on the planet (IMHO) and this little addition changes nothing related to the quality of the product. Heck, 95% of the time the knife is inside my pocket and 75% of the time it's exposed people (including myself) only pay attention to the front face.

Perhaps "IDAHO, USA MADE" would have been better?
 
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Dang, fickle bunch, ain't cha? :P :)

I don't mind the inscription, and in fact, I would chance a guess that the decision was made to signify the pride of the men and women who work at the shop, not just Chris and Anne.

In this day and age of outsourcing seemingly EVERYTHING, I'd be a proud company too if I could manage manufacturing everything down to the last screw (screws recently brought in-house) in-house or purchasing from American-based suppliers (ceramic detent's, I'm guessing).

I dig it.

Professor.
 
A little more subtle would be nicer. But if I were from Idaho I would really like it.

Sure beats "made in China". huh?
 
It still looks upside down (to me).

I really like the "Idaho Made" on my 'zaan, and also on the new Wilson Sebenza, and I think it was a great idea to put it on all of the Sebenzas, it just was not done to my liking. Great idea, poor execution, in my opinion.

When you consider the size, type-set and placement of the markings, it does not seem to fit in with the rest of the Sebenza, which is so well thought out.

I am hoping that Chris Reeve rethinks how this was done, and redesigns and re-positions the "Idaho Made" stamping.




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