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If a knife is very expensive you will choose to buy fake?
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Nope, I'd still know it's not the real thing.
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ive found this question will rarely if ever come up. Simply because most knife guys will assume its real unless they are your buddy because it seems to be impolite to ask. And non knife people dont even know who hinderer is. You might as well be holding a unicorn horn. But at least they would know what the heck that is, lol.
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If you think that buying a copy instead of the real item because it costs less is okay, then go ahead and buy your girlfriend or wife a cubic zirconia diamond instead of a real diamond just watch her reaction when the truth comes out. Oh but honey it looks the same and it was cheaper. Good luck with that!
The real item will always cost more because it is real ! How would you feel if you received a Rolex as a gift and later found out that is was a counterfeit watch?
The Chinese are more than capable of producing a quality knife with their own designs and R&D, to copy a popular knife and market it saying that it is just as good as an original IMHO is wrong, but hey if you are okay carrying a ripoff design that is your decision.
The real item will always cost more because it is real ! How would you feel if you received a Rolex as a gift and later found out that is was a counterfeit watch?
The Chinese are more than capable of producing a quality knife with their own designs and R&D, to copy a popular knife and market it saying that it is just as good as an original IMHO is wrong, but hey if you are okay carrying a ripoff design that is your decision.
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No thanks.
Personally, no for several reasons:
1. Not the right thing to do.
2. Have too much respect for original designers/manufacturers.
3. Would not some else to think its ok to rip me off to save $$$.
4. Would never feel right with a fake/rip-off in my pocket.
5. Would never trust the fake for those times you really count on a quality blade.
Want me to go on.....
1. Not the right thing to do.
2. Have too much respect for original designers/manufacturers.
3. Would not some else to think its ok to rip me off to save $$$.
4. Would never feel right with a fake/rip-off in my pocket.
5. Would never trust the fake for those times you really count on a quality blade.
Want me to go on.....
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"Presumably" is the operative word in that statement, all right. I suspect people are lot more complicated than you give them credit for.
The most interesting thing to me is to see how many assumptions are being made in this thread regarding people's motives and how few facts there are to back them up. There's even a word for that kind of behavior. It's called stereotyping.
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C'mon man, we know you wouldn't buy a counterfeit knife. It may not be my business, but that is my assumption
exactly how i feel about knives and watches.
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That is very true. As I tried to articulate in the rest of my post, I don't get why someone would want a fake knife. Obviously people do but it doesn't make a connection for me. It is a lot easier for me to understand the mindset of someone who buys a fake watch/sunglasses etc. Heck, when I was in 8th grade we went to NYC on a field trip and I spent 20 bucks on a pair of fake Oakleys and a fake Tag Heuer watch. They lasted a few months obviously before everything broke but at that age, I had no concept of the difference between the fakes and the real ones but they looked cool, were well known names and I could show them off.
I'm not sure if the main market for fake knives is 12 and 13 year old kids though. I would be seriously interested in hearing from someone who likes buying fake knives as to their motivation. Looks are just a small part of what makes knives awesome (just look at a Spyderco!!- j/k) so it is really hard for me to understand the motive.
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No, nope, never, not in a million years, and most definitely and surly no.
Why waste money on something that no one took pride in creating and is usually severely less quality.
Why waste money on something that no one took pride in creating and is usually severely less quality.
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LOL! To be perfectly honest with you, Ken, I've never bought a counterfeit knife. But it's not because I haven't thought about it nor is it because some personal or moral impediment prevents me from doing so. For me it is first, last, and always about the knife. I just keep finding things to buy that are a lot more interesting than what the counterfeiters have to offer. If that changes, I'll let you know.C'mon man, we know you wouldn't buy a counterfeit knife. It may not be my business, but that is my assumption
This much I will tell you. If I do decide to buy a counterfeit, it won't be for the reasons most people have postulated in this thread. In fact, they wouldn't have a clue to understanding my motives. Best to leave them in the dark. But for those more interested in learning the truth than in defending their stereotypes, I'll ask the following question:
Which is closest to a genuine Hinderer XM-18 3" folder . . . a Kershaw, a ZT, or a KJ knockoff? (PS: Careful now. This is a trick question.)
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NO. Again. The idea is actually funny, although a bit vicious, isn't it ? But the answer is still NO. I don't give a f***k about my safe. My knives stay with me and see everyday use. They may be unexpensive but they serve me well, extremely well. If one fails, I bury it and consider an upgrade, or not... At my level of stubbornry, money is not a concern. My most used and loved knife is a Case Sodbuster... because it serves me so well. If ever it breaks, I could be in for a high end Case. You know, like, this brand has proved its value. I won't move an inch about this. But it's nice to have a talk.
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Well I cant speak for everyone but I can tell you why I will buy replica knives. Mind you I said replica as while I probably dont have the iron walled morals of some of you i dont like counterfeits. And if I buy a knife with logos I remove those logos in a pimp job. But anyhow, my most recent purchase was a knife based on the 0777. Though if you know knives you would know its not a 777. It has no logos, the blade is not made to look like it was half damascus or a composite blade. Its a totally sterile knife. I have wanted a 0777 but 1. you cant find one for the original selling price. And im not going to pay over $700 for it I dont care. And the replica actually appealed to me more than the original because in the price range it is offered Its a knife I can actually use. Im not going to spend $500 on a folder and go cutting with that thing. I just dont have that kind of money. IMHO this is the knife I wish Kai Had made instead of their new 0770 as the 0770 has NONE of the features that got me interested in the original 0777. For me it was curiosity to see just how good the chinese are getting (and they are getting very, very good I might add) and because while I love the ergos of the 0777 this knife had a price and the materials I was looking for. You see in recent years I went from being a USA snob with knives and guitars because I felt they were superior.
Well a year ago I picked up a japanese ESP guitar and its been my main axe ever since. And I realized that all I did over the years was limit the amount of amazing products I could have and the "Value" I could have with it for what? Pride? Ego? I dont buy items to impress anyone. I buy them for enjoyment. And my recent chinese knives have me grinning from ear to ear because while they are not as good as the originals they offered me something that the originals didnt, value and something im not afraid to use or lose. And that is worth more to me than a brand name. And while the chinese 0777 is not as good as what I can assume the real 0777 is it is still an amazing knife. And it is built better than some of the USA knives I have owned in the past. And the funny thing is that in my case, my replica of the 0777 has actually got me wanting to get the real deal for a safe queen. Because the replica gave me an appreciation for the design and the ergos. Therefore sparking an interest to get the real thing even more so than I previously did. And while i couldnt find a 0777 this replica got me to order a 0600 because it renewed my interest in what Kai is capable of creating and I dont want to miss a good knife again. But it is still bittersweet because I wont want to use the 0600 either.
it is a trick question because all of them are closest depending on the perspective. One could argue the KJ is closest because it is designed to replicate and in some cases even improve on the design of the original by adding a steel lockbar insert. Or you could take the viewpoint that the ZT and kershaw knives win because while they arent 1 for 1 replicas of the knives that inspired them, they are authorized designs by the original maker that would make it closer to his work by association. Regardless I wont say that counterfeit knives dont have a negative impact on anything. The one negative I can see is someone WILL try to rip someone off and pass it off as an original. Either knowingly or on accident. But I dont believe hinderer is losing a sale if someone buys a fake direct from china. Because the reasons and motives at least in my case are completely different for the two knives. And in some cases the fakes have been known to generate interest in the real thing that they normally wouldnt.
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