If a knife is very expensive you will choose to buy fake?

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Keep your pants with no twist and buy you knives with no fake, Mamma told me. She was damn right.
 
I've been into mechanical watches for quite a while now and have developed a big pet peeve with any kind fakes being passed off as the original. Now that I'm fully involved with this knife habit I feel the same way. I will always buy the name brand knife. Anything else is stealing, IMO.
 
I have never bought a "fake" knife and probably never would. For me it is all about quality. I am typically unaware of price until after I have already made the decision to buy. Even if I do know the price when I start looking at a knife it is not really a factor in my decision to buy or not. My wife does not appreciate this quality. There have been times that I have decided to buy a knife only to find out it is well outside my means. At which point I will decide if I want to save up for it or simply live without it. I don't really care who made it, or where it was made. This is probably because I am not a bigot.
On a related note, if I buy some product and it performs well, I will tend to gravitate to that manufacturers product for future purchases.
 
Karda said:
And as they do, and unscrupulous people buy them, even to just try out, it steals revenue from the hobby and the true manufacturers.
With the sheer amount of this crap available coming mostly from chinese vendors with no respect for copyright infringement laws, It can seriously effect businesses, vendors and craftsmen here. Which also will tend to hurt the economy in the long run.
By purchasing these items, not only are people selling themselves short, they are selling out on their fellow American hobbyist, maker and businesses.
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I'm supprised many American knife hobbyist here on Blade Forums doesn't understand this.
Maybe some just don't care if they're selling out on their fellow American knife hobbyist, makers, and businesses.
I really hope its because they don't understand, and not that they don't care.
 
This discussion over fakes is everywhere. I'm on an investing website where a writer compared a particular stock to a Rolex. Many of the comments wandered into the fake Rolexes are just as good argument. Even if they are just as good, which is debatable, they are still copyright violations. It is intellectual property theft. And it erodes the economic base of the countries that produce the genuine products.

Sometimes doing the right thing means not encouraging theft. People will do what they want, and justify it to themselves. Fine.

When I could not afford the real thing, I did without. But I'm from a generation where that was a principle we cared about.

And to an earlier poster: most people who own both a ZT 0560 and an XM-24 will assess the XM to be a higher quality product.
 
Ken44 said:
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I'm supprised many American knife hobbyist here on Blade Forums doesn't understand this.
Maybe some just don't care if they're selling out on their fellow American knife hobbyist, makers, and businesses.
I really hope its because they don't understand, and not that they don't care.
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source is the big makers, as they turn too make more profits - that is why the factory gets built.

free land, free loans, near free labor ..... i always buy better things some will not agree but i have GM cars. a drive way full - 5 plus a free ford

when gm could not make cars i bought a lot of toyotas. one rusted out fast and i bought gm and have not swithed. anyone reseach hundyai - everyone gets lower mpg/ is slower/ ride like crap then stated.

they cheat but i am sure the hundi buyer has the fake knives!

o ya and my wives free ford which drives me nuts since it has million bottons too small to read unless it is dark. never get used too fords but it is nice car drives good and great on gas - 4banger fussion
i drive regal turbo - much better car for almost the same price - gas is close
 
dragonsprayer said:
big makers, fuel this fire by moving production too china. This allows the factories too copy other designs. If the big 4 or 5 did not fuel the factories there be less copies.
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This is true. By moving production there where their designs are easily stolen and marketed they do indeed fuel the fire somewhat.
What is not understood by the licensed production companies and makers of fakes is that they are cutting their own throats. Once the phenomena of fakery/cloning reaches critical mass, there won't be designs to steal. Because the original designers and makers of these products will eventually get sick of being stolen from and offshore production will cease. Noone will touch these people with a 10ft pole then, no matter how good of a product they make. Fool me once......
 
This goes to the heart of why it is happening on a large scale.

Karda said:
This is true. By moving production there where their designs are easily stolen and marketed they do indeed fuel the fire somewhat.
What is not understood by the licensed production companies and makers of fakes is that they are cutting their own throats. Once the phenomena of fakery/cloning reaches critical mass, there won't be designs to steal. Because the original designers and makers of these products will eventually get sick of being stolen from and offshore production will cease. Noone will touch these people with a 10ft pole then, no matter how good of a product they make. Fool me once......
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Karda said:
This is true. By moving production there where their designs are easily stolen and marketed they do indeed fuel the fire somewhat.
What is not understood by the licensed production companies and makers of fakes is that they are cutting their own throats. Once the phenomena of fakery/cloning reaches critical mass, there won't be designs to steal. Because the original designers and makers of these products will eventually get sick of being stolen from and offshore production will cease. Noone will touch these people with a 10ft pole then, no matter how good of a product they make. Fool me once......
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the executives only care about bonus time - they leave and knife company will be what it will be this.

this is theory of promotion to infinite stupidity - i made that up.

they exective gets a jr exec and he has too be not as smart, on down the line, with time until the company is bought or for R&D and/or sales
 
Locutus D'Borg said:
This goes to the heart of why it is happening on a large scale.
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SCALE SO LARGE it is the whole world and all things
......money changers own it all and each leep is sucked up by the same
usa>japan and germany>korea singpore twain> china ......... south america......? collapse



a few countried controlled it --- germany has one of the few intergrated economies - rise of the 4th reich as they now run the EU again. ask the greeks

i think i need too practice staying on subject - add

today it is spanish think we got issues - http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-04-28/european-leaders-softening-on-austerity-may-accelerate.html


g2g
 
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Karda said:
This is true. By moving production there where their designs are easily stolen and marketed they do indeed fuel the fire somewhat.
What is not understood by the licensed production companies and makers of fakes is that they are cutting their own throats. Once the phenomena of fakery/cloning reaches critical mass, there won't be designs to steal. Because the original designers and makers of these products will eventually get sick of being stolen from and offshore production will cease. Noone will touch these people with a 10ft pole then, no matter how good of a product they make. Fool me once......
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I'm not sure that I agree with you totally (I don't, but don't ban me! :p ), but some of what you say is certainly true. We've already seen one of the big companies copied by the very factory that they contracted to build their knives.

Those fakes are, naturally, built to the same quality, using the same materials, but they ride the coattails of the American company's adverting dollars. Maybe... Or maybe it's just smart, and "buisness". I can't say, because if an American company took that advantage it would be viewed differently or ignored all together.

Looking for steel alone may not be the best indicator going forward. Taiwan ain't China. I get that, but Spyderco imports American steel to Taiwan. Surly, as quality goes up, we will either see excellent steel made there (in China), or imported in. D2 is one example.
 
A lot of people get caught up in the political aspect and country of origin.

I myself would not buy a fake regardless of where it was manufactured. My desire for an expensive knife is mostly for the craftsmanship and quality which is unlikely to be replicated by a cheaper copy.
 
Shenny said:
If a knife is very expensive you will choose to buy fake?
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Why would I buy a fake and get zero blade performance:rolleyes:. The whole idea of buying a knife is to be used as a cutting tool, so what would be the point in buying a fake knock off with a cheap blade steel and non existent heat treat. I have seen some first hand and they will dull very quickly as if they are in annealed state.
 
BobSig said:
is a Douche bag and a few other words I can not say.
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A little perspective is in order. I suspect that half the people in this thread who put on a big sad face because someone buys a $12 Sanrenmu are the same ones posting in the skin forum at BF, or are supporting the porn industry where pathetic, abused women's lives are destroyed, or are sneaking their girlfriend to the abortion clinic early on a Saturday morning, or are cheating the taxpayers by failing to report sales tax on their internet purchases. To you, the guy with the $40 Chinese knife in his pocket is a douche bag. To me, the its the one who surfs internet porn while his wife isn't home and has a Hinderer in his pocket. Everything is relative. Is the guy with the Sanremu a douche? Maybe. But how much more so the guy in the mirror.
 
gine said:
Why would I buy a fake and get zero blade performance:rolleyes:. The whole idea of buying a knife is to be used as a cutting tool, so what would be the point in buying a fake knock off with a cheap blade steel and non existent heat treat. I have seen some first hand and they will dull very quickly as if they are in annealed state.
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From what I have seen there are variations in the quality of those also from the cheap gas station knives to the higher priced and quality models.

No I don't own any and won't, but they are out there.
 
powernoodle said:
A little perspective is in order. I suspect that half the people in this thread who put on a big sad face because someone buys a $12 Sanrenmu are the same ones posting in the skin forum at BF, or are supporting the porn industry where pathetic, abused women's lives are destroyed, or are sneaking their girlfriend to the abortion clinic early on a Saturday morning, or are cheating the taxpayers by failing to report sales tax on their internet purchases. To you, the guy with the $40 Chinese knife in his pocket is a douche bag. To me, the its the one who surfs internet porn while his wife isn't home and has a Hinderer in his pocket. Everything is relative. Is the guy with the Sanremu a douche? Maybe. But how much more so the guy in the mirror.
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How true is that.

People that live in glass houses need not throw rocks...... :D

People are quick to judge and point fingers, but never at themselves.

People need to clean up their own closets before looking at others and be truthful to themselves.

Before getting all up on the soapboxes and being all self rightest like they are perfect they really need to think about what they are doing in reality that might not be in a word correct, moral etc.
 
powernoodle said:
A little perspective is in order. I suspect that half the people in this thread who put on a big sad face because someone buys a $12 Sanrenmu are the same ones posting in the skin forum at BF, or are supporting the porn industry where pathetic, abused women's lives are destroyed, or are sneaking their girlfriend to the abortion clinic early on a Saturday morning, or are cheating the taxpayers by failing to report sales tax on their internet purchases. To you, the guy with the $40 Chinese knife in his pocket is a douche bag. To me, the its the one who surfs internet porn while his wife isn't home and has a Hinderer in his pocket. Everything is relative. Is the guy with the Sanremu a douche? Maybe. But how much more so the guy in the mirror.
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That's a lot of assumptions. I'm not trying to pick sides, I don't own any copy knives, but I don't own any super expensive knives either. I just think you're making an awful lot of assumptions about people you don't know.
 
Following international patent and trademark laws is not standing on a soapbox. It is just doing what is right. I don't preach, but I do practice.
 
bpeezer said:
That's a lot of assumptions. I'm not trying to pick sides, I don't own any copy knives, but I don't own any super expensive knives either. I just think you're making an awful lot of assumptions about people you don't know.
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I believe his point was people in general aren't perfect and do things that aren't exactly holy at times.....
 
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