If you believe knives arent just for cutting... this threads for you(TIP STRENGTH)

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This ones got a real tough point while remaining pokey and its a good tough steel.
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Tachead01 said:
Mr technical here. I realize that. I was using the term loosely to describe making the knife man. Rowen "made".
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Well, they aren't Rowan "made". Rowan actually does make them. They are Rowan made. They are made from stock removal of good ol' 1095 with a 57hrc heat treat. Since most of them are FFG and designed to cut, there is no reason why they would be better at stabbing things than any other knife, and there really isn't anything magical about the steel or the powdercoating at all.

But, if a person acts like an idiot and breaks the tip off, they definitely can get a new one. (unless they buy a stainless ESEE, those don't have the same warranty) That idiot that breaks the tip better be prepared to be called an idiot by ESEE when they go to return it, that has happened before.
 
I agree with Surfingringo in that typically tip strength and piercing ability are at opposite ends of the spectrum, and every knife is some compromise of both. For instance, my old Ritter Grip had a very "strong" thick tip, but its penetrating power was nowhere near my Spyderco PM2. Personally, I'd rather have a "weaker" tip that is able to pierce better since I don't use my knives as pry bars.

Either way, it's a compromise. No knife excels at everything. You can certainly still use a "strong" tipped knife to pierce with, but it's going to do a crappy job compared to a fine tipped knife. Likewise you can use a fine tipped knife for prying, but it's going to do a crappy job compared to a knife with a thick tip.
 
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ROFL.... hahaha son of boris lol marcinek strikes again!! scram sucka!!! lol

On topic, I'll second (or third) the fact acute points dont pry well and obtuse points dont penetrate well... find a medium thats good for your purposes and enjoy your edged tool..
marcinek said:
- But pizza slicers dont cut everything. That claim makes no sense. Make a fuzz stick and slice an orange with a pizza cutter.
- Guess what, Son of Boris, you arent the only one here who uses knives.
- Good to see you got off quickly to name calling and assumptions. Why waste time?
- They dont? Time to read more post, less.

You are off to a stellar start, son. Enjoy your puncturing. :rolleyes:
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I now feel tempted to hold a pizza cutter featherstick challenge. :D
 
Tripton said:
Well, they aren't Rowan "made". Rowan actually does make them. They are Rowan made. They are made from stock removal of good ol' 1095 with a 57hrc heat treat. Since most of them are FFG and designed to cut, there is no reason why they would be better at stabbing things than any other knife, and there really isn't anything magical about the steel or the powdercoating at all.

But, if a person acts like an idiot and breaks the tip off, they definitely can get a new one. (unless they buy a stainless ESEE, those don't have the same warranty) That idiot that breaks the tip better be prepared to be called an idiot by ESEE when they go to return it, that has happened before.
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I would need to see verification of them actually calling someone an idiot. If I had one of their knives and it failed in any way and I took it up with them and they called me an idiot, I'd send it back to them and tell them to keep it, and I'd spend my money elsewhere. I have knives made in China that I can't harm in any way through the most demanding use other than wear off the finish on the blade. If them cheap wannabe copies of what a knife actually is won't fail and one of theirs did, then it was an actual manufacture defect and all they need to do is say oops, sorry about that, let us take care of it. I fully understand some things can be defective and look perfectly fine, even esee can not avoid it, I've seen plenty of them broken. I'm sure not all of them were broken by an idiot with a knife. I had a pretty popular brand here tell me their broken knife I bought was not their fault, even before they ever seen it, their knives don't fail. That's what they told me. That was in the days before I had an email so I boxed it up and sent it to them with no return address. Haven't bought another of that brand since.

Calling customers idiots or whatever they feel like calling them because their knives never fail, sounds like a great way to encourage customers to buy else where. My wife almost got me an Esee for fathers day but got an Ontario instead because any Esee style can be had for less from Ontario except the Falcon, they don't have a copy of that one and that's the one that she thought I'd like best, and she was right. I'd be bummed holding my Esee knowing they think their customers are idiots. So please verify. I'd hate to buy one in the future knowing that, if they actually do, I will put them on my black list and I'm sure they don't want to push customers away.
 
dahkholiday said:
Okay hold up, gotta address the comedians, Who feel the need to post jokes that would have a kindergardener throwing tomatoes at them. look man we'd have pizza slicers in are hands if knives were just for cutting, but knives have points for a reason. Im an owner of many knives Strider to sebenza But when you own alot of these and actually use'em you find strengths aswell as week points, most people are satisfied with a good egde, but those who agree that a knife has to be able not only to cut but thrust, wanna make sure their knives can stab as well as they slice, but see theres so many fanboys out that there, that dont actually use their knives but for cutting paper and cardboard, and if the job gets tough.. manila rope, that metals that are actually good dont get spoken about no more, metals become "irrelevant" like my friend up there with a 440c Steel blade, that youre average fan boy would say is trash if you asked for their genius advice. I own highend knives with top steels and I own the knives fanboys overnight enthusiast wouldnt use, out perform the $400+ knives in certain areas. Thanks for those with the positive stuff keep it coming
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dahkholiday said:
Ey thanks for your post thats the kinda stuff i wanna hear except for the the abuse scale thing, i never said this was a extreme knife tester, so the" i dont care thing was unnecessary" but your first part of your post was excellent man, and appreciate the advice, but nothings taken personal, fights is least of things i wanna do, but I'll tell you something, if theres a a little hostility towards the comedians,its for a reason, too many times have i seen people in threads, people new to knives, or just curious, genuinely wanting to hear share or learn something, then you got these funny guys coming in and ripping these guys to shreds, ridiculing them, posting pictures of icepicks, telling them how they should be using theyre knives, and it starts subtle, then before you know it more guys come in with they're jokes then pretty soon people are scared to post because they dont want to be made fun of, then the actually intresting thread dies because no one had to the balls to tell the troll something, look feel free to have your opinion, i have no problem with that, as you can see i only wrote few negitive comments in the sense theyre off topic to the thread, and brushed off the rest, and already as i type i got a guy tryna pick a fight, but as i said earlier im good, nothing personal, thanks for your concern though
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dahkholiday said:
To each his own some people hard plastic, to some people they need a durable knife they can drop and not worry if the tip is chipped, to some people...people, people with thick clothing even soft body armor, Im sure you get the picture. Best answer I can give to the scorners is this, with a glock youre unlikey to have to deal with the kinda damage that thing can take, and i mean rarley, but why do people like'em, cause its good to know that even tho youre not gonna have a shootout with a shark or rolling in the mud taking out a army of alligators with out your gun jamming or lose your gun in the freezer, its good to know that it can do all those things, and takes away that second guessing you have with other guns, hope thats the last negative comment i have to answer
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dahkholiday said:
All opinions welcomed bro, but that my friend is an opinion, we cant say a knife isnt fulfilling its purpose the same way we cant say a racecar or an rv isnt fufilling its purpose as a transportation device, im mean we can but it pointless there are people that modified vehicles whether to race, live in, or pull crop, A knife is a tool, people put theyre own definition on what a knife should be, and when someone else has theyre opinion people get bent out of shape and get synical, advances in technology lead to more capabilities, And i'll tell you write now, im sure many can agree, many knifes can pry stab and slice, good example my stider db, but fill free to state your opinion, this is a discussion.
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dahkholiday said:
Well its like I mentioned earlier when that question was asked and i think to each his own, you can put a specific use on a knife, or you can use the knife for everything, regardless You need a strongtip. I agree with some of the things you say to a certain extent, like it being about the geometry blade, that i agree and that, to a degree, because I own a non tanto, non-chisel grind that can hold its own in the tip area, an anza knife made from a file, and same time I disagree with type of steel having no bearing in this discussion, Steel is not only essential, its key and even more Important than the two is its heat treating, You can have two knives with the same steel perform differently, just on account of its heat treating, too hard its shatters too soft and you can figure out whats gonna happen, Some of the Lamest steels can hang with the big dogs if it has the correct heat treating, but its just the odds are against someone using a cheaper steel and going out their way having good heat treating, but theyre out there, people that testify of there once thought obsolete knives, but in my opinion cold steels a good example they still use aus8 or a variant and it holds up very exceptional nobody likes to hear that but Ey I have to be real.
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You should write a book about writing a book:thumbup:
 
The absolute dearth of a Sebenza mention in a four-page thread is revealing.... :) Where are the 'Benza Boys on tip strength ?

For pure 'puncturing' I would have to say it would be my karambit. Very pointy.

For tip strength in a folder I would have to go with an Emerson CQC-7 or DPx HEST 2.0. My Grayman has a pretty stout tip too, relatively.
 
Boris74 said:
I would need to see verification of them actually calling someone an idiot. If I had one of their knives and it failed in any way and I took it up with them and they called me an idiot, I'd send it back to them and tell them to keep it, and I'd spend my money elsewhere. I have knives made in China that I can't harm in any way through the most demanding use other than wear off the finish on the blade. If them cheap wannabe copies of what a knife actually is won't fail and one of theirs did, then it was an actual manufacture defect and all they need to do is say oops, sorry about that, let us take care of it. I fully understand some things can be defective and look perfectly fine, even esee can not avoid it, I've seen plenty of them broken. I'm sure not all of them were broken by an idiot with a knife. I had a pretty popular brand here tell me their broken knife I bought was not their fault, even before they ever seen it, their knives don't fail. That's what they told me. That was in the days before I had an email so I boxed it up and sent it to them with no return address. Haven't bought another of that brand since.

Calling customers idiots or whatever they feel like calling them because their knives never fail, sounds like a great way to encourage customers to buy else where. My wife almost got me an Esee for fathers day but got an Ontario instead because any Esee style can be had for less from Ontario except the Falcon, they don't have a copy of that one and that's the one that she thought I'd like best, and she was right. I'd be bummed holding my Esee knowing they think their customers are idiots. So please verify. I'd hate to buy one in the future knowing that, if they actually do, I will put them on my black list and I'm sure they don't want to push customers away.
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That little white box in the upper right corner of the page it's for searching.
 
Surfingringo said:
a knife that is good at puncturing but are then talking about a tip that is strong. The two characteristics are quite different and to some degree are mutually exclusive. I think the question "what do you need to puncture" was an extremely important and relevant inquiry.

FWIW, type of steel has almost zero bearing on this discussion. The piercing ability and strength (or lack thereof) of a knife tip is defined almost exclusively by geometry.
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I agree entirely. Your skin must be thicker than those huge fish that you show.
Prying and puncturing are very different in principle and physical support requirements.
When I get an injection, I prefer to use a smaller, rather than larger, diameter of hypodermic syringe. The possibility of a thin needle breaking off in my arm has never occurred to me...perhaps for good reason.
 
I think the Spyderco Vallotton has a great combination of a pointy, but stout tip. I think it could handle piercing some pretty rugged material. Never had the need or desire to try, however.
 
I was just cruising a forum on crowbars... one of the members wanted to sharpen his crowbar so he could clear brush with it, the other people in the thread started giving dude shit about it, proper tool for proper job blah blah blah. Can't believe the nerve of some people
 
Lock strength is important when piercing with a folder. It is easy to inadvertently put negative force on the blade. Because of this I have only done hard piercing tasks with my Cold Steel American Lawman. It performed very well, :):)especially when piercing shark or alligator hide.:):).

I respectfully submit the American Lawman for the OP's blessing as a hard-working piercer.
 
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