If you believe knives arent just for cutting... this threads for you(TIP STRENGTH)

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Boris74 said:
Maybe watch the video. That's all I can do for you. It is revealed what and why he has the knife in the first place. I assumed you watched it, an educated gess tells me you didn't. Aw heck, screw it, might take a few more posts..... They sent it to him to do a review, kinda use it as a guide on what not to do to a knife. I've never been in a situation EVER where I needed to use a knife for what that ninja did. Good lord he almost missed the log chopping into the end. If he had it would of ended with a chopped off finger tip, not a broken knife tip. The guy in the video ain't too bright, probably only been "into" knives for a couple years (maybe even weeks). He's probably moved onto collecting car plates to cover his walls with by now.
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I did watch video. He did nothing with that knife that was out of place for a 1/4 inch thick survival knife that should have been super stout. I have done much worse with many knives and they survived no problem. As for the tip breakege, they was not even a little bend it went DINK!! Tells me that it was very brittle and like the other knife in the thread, it would have suffered more damage. Inconsistent heat treat is a big issue with the cheaper knives.
 
Cobalt said:
I did watch video. He did nothing with that knife that was out of place for a 1/4 inch thick survival knife that should have been super stout. I have done much worse with many knives and they survived no problem. As for the tip breakege, they was not even a little bend it went DINK!! Tells me that it was very brittle and like the other knife in the thread, it would have suffered more damage. Inconsistent heat treat is a big issue with the cheaper knives.
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I did worse than that prying wise with my CS Trail Master and it has a fine tip..

Dug up one of my old videos here, start at 2:30 to see.

[video=youtube;Kdpz3V_DbnM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kdpz3V_DbnM&list=PL2C53B21CEC920FFC&index=16[/video]
 
Ankerson said:
I did worse than that prying wise with my CS Trail Master and it has a fine tip..

Dug up one of my old videos here, start at 2:30 to see.

[video=youtube;Kdpz3V_DbnM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kdpz3V_DbnM&list=PL2C53B21CEC920FFC&index=16[/video]
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Exactly. The tip should not have snapped off that easily..
 
shinyedges said:
Read his comment in the thread you linked, he thinks schrade is right in voiding that knifes warranty over the coating.. guess he doesnt realize the damage on that knife is typical of a BAD HEAT TREAT.
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Yeah, I just did. Funny, I post that thread and you bring it to the top, lol. Anyway, stripping a finish off a blade should not void a warranty. What the hell do you think happens when you use the knife, it wears off the finish, so I guess as soon as you start using the schrade and a bit of the coating strips off, the warranty is void? That is ridiculous. I have stripped dozens of knives and used them ten times harder than that knife with no damage.
 
Ankerson said:
I did worse than that prying wise with my CS Trail Master and it has a fine tip...
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Thanks for finding the vid, Ankerson. :thumbup:

It feels wrong saying anything nice about Cold Steel, but that thing was pretty tough. :D You were applying a lot of force, especially that first pry. It was far more force, inflicted on a finer tip. Huge fail for the Schrade. Well, the enemy of my friend is my friend's enemy... so good job, Cold Steel! (The friend of my enemy is my friend? Close enough.)

I have a feeling the Schrade is going to lose out to the Winkler Knife... but then again, I always did. Who knows, though? The Schrade 37 that was sent might have gotten a better heat treat, and do really well. 1095 is good stuff.
 
Sikael said:
Thanks for finding the vid, Ankerson. :thumbup:

It feels wrong saying anything nice about Cold Steel, but that thing was pretty tough. :D You were applying a lot of force, especially that first pry. It was far more force, inflicted on a finer tip. Huge fail for the Schrade. Well, the enemy of my friend is my friend's enemy... so good job, Cold Steel! (The friend of my enemy is my friend? Close enough.)

I have a feeling the Schrade is going to lose out to the Winkler Knife... but then again, I always did. Who knows, though? The Schrade 37 that was sent might have gotten a better heat treat, and do really well. 1095 is good stuff.
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Yeah, it's SK-5, the ones with the sharpened swedge, those are pretty darn thin tip wise.
 
Cobalt said:
I did watch video. He did nothing with that knife that was out of place for a 1/4 inch thick survival knife that should have been super stout. I have done much worse with many knives and they survived no problem. As for the tip breakege, they was not even a little bend it went DINK!! Tells me that it was very brittle and like the other knife in the thread, it would have suffered more damage. Inconsistent heat treat is a big issue with the cheaper knives.
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I believe we are on the same page. Difference is. I own the knife and I know its limitations. I have prior experience with blades and have pre existing knowledge to know what not to do and what to do with a knife. It chops, it batons, it feathers and holds an edge as good as any brand at 57-59 HRC in 1095. Like I said, I have prior experience to compare it to, so I know.

I also know you can't dig in a thin tip blade like that and pry, learned that about 4 decades ago. The tip, while,great for slicing cutting and other tasks thin edges are great for, it's only as thick as a mora up there.

A quick comparison.



Would you pry like that with a mora? Yeah sure, someone on you tube has done it, but with softer less dense wood, stick it in the same spot he broke his and the mora would have done the same. I've seen that too. Seen all brands break like that. Like I said before, even with my thick tip blades, I don't pry like that.
 
Wonder what was going on with these. Looks like them seals need to find a brand with stronger tips.

 
I do not doubt you got a good one. You have tested it to your satisfaction. I have knives with tips that I know will break. And they are good knives. You have to know the limitations of a blade. For whatever reason the guy on the video seemed to think the tip was thick enough to do prying with.

Here is a vid of a guy mistreating an ESEE Junglas. Doing things to it that you normally do not need to do. It held up fine.

[video=youtube;8VlfbgRih0k]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VlfbgRih0k[/video]
 
Boris74 said:
Wonder what was going on with these. Looks like them seals need to find a brand with stronger tips.

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broken tips obviously on some seriously used knives. Glad to see ESEE will cover it unlike schrade


Here is Cliff testing the Junglas as well.
[video=youtube;Bwq6Eu0UjwA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bwq6Eu0UjwA[/video]
 
Cobalt said:
broken tips obviously on some seriously used knives. Glad to see ESEE will cover it unlike schrade


Here is Cliff testing the Junglas as well.
[video=youtube;Bwq6Eu0UjwA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bwq6Eu0UjwA[/video]
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That's the thing with you guys. You just said it on the Internet and now it's true, see, you just said it. True now.

You don't know if them tips broke because of a defect or abuse, and why would Schrade warranty an Esee?

Repeated breaks in the same spot on the same model, looks like a design defect or poor materials to me if that many get the same exact break in the same area. In their defense maybe they had a bad run of a heat treat. No different than the blade in the other thread.

Try harder, your not proving your point at all.
 
Boris74 said:
Wonder what was going on with these. Looks like them seals need to find a brand with stronger tips.

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6 months of Navy SEAL's 'extreme weather' training, including the use of knives in ways not typically attempted (what's with all the rocks, I wonder?), is a far cry from 6 minutes of batoning and some light prying. I seem to recall hearing that SEALs training is a bit tough. ;)
 
I did prove the point. You saw the divot in the schrade. Bad HT for sure. Not covered because of poor warranty. I think you like making excuses for schrade while putting down other stuff. The fact is that ESEE has been tested and used much harder than the schrades. And in many cases when a schrade breaks people probably just chuck it in the trash. With ESEE, they send it back for a new one. I would trust an ESEE any day over any schrade you post. Better heat treat, more consistent heat treat and they stand behind their product. None of which schrade does. Keep trying because as everyone in this forum knows you have not proven your point at all.
 
Sikael said:
6 months of Navy SEAL's 'extreme weather' training, including the use of knives in ways not typically attempted (what's with all the rocks, I wonder?), is a far cry from 6 minutes of batoning and some light prying. I seem to recall hearing that SEALs training is a bit tough. ;)
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LOL, I gues Boris tried to take the pic out of context, lol. Further proving the point. Those knives sure look like they went through hell, they probably did.
 
Sikael said:
6 months of Navy SEAL's 'extreme weather' training, including the use of knives in ways not typically attempted (what's with all the rocks, I wonder?), is a far cry from 6 minutes of batoning and some light prying. I seem to recall hearing that SEALs training is a bit tough. ;)
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I used a USMC K-Bar for almost the whole 4 years I was in the USMC and one hell of a lot harder than that one video.....

Never broke or had any issues with it.
 
Cobalt said:
I did prove the point. You saw the divot in the schrade. Bad HT for sure. Not covered because of poor warranty. I think you like making excuses for schrade while putting down other stuff. The fact is that ESEE has been tested and used much harder than the schrades. And in many cases when a schrade breaks people probably just chuck it in the trash. With ESEE, they send it back for a new one. I would trust an ESEE any day over any schrade you post. Better heat treat, more consistent heat treat and they stand behind their product. None of which schrade does. Keep trying because as everyone in this forum knows you have not proven your point at all.
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You make statements as if they are fact. How do you know how a brand you don't own treats its customers? You don't. You assume. You also assume because you think so that any brand you don't own is inferior. You need more offline friends. When you get them you will quickly identify people have a diverse taste in knives. I never considered a Schrade until several friends and family started buying them. We all use them regularly and no problems so far. So you know best, ok, lol, you rock that knowledge, online lmao.
 
Ankerson said:
I used a USMC K-Bar for almost the whole 4 years I was in the USMC and one hell of a lot harder than that one video.....

Never broke or had any issues with it.
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This Glock knife has been on three tours for almost 4 years of deployment time with an 11B, it's even been blown up twice. It did just as much in training. I use it to this day and it's dug holes, killed and butchered a goat, pried open ammo crates and anything you could imagine.



Pretty sure nothing can hurt it.
 
Ankerson said:
I used a USMC K-Bar for almost the whole 4 years I was in the USMC and one hell of a lot harder than that one video.....

Never broke or had any issues with it.
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Four years of Marine Corp life would no doubt put a knife to the test. :) That's pretty much THE hard-use combat knife of the 20th Century... The knife that won WWII! Well... rifles and BARs and Atomic bombs may have had some small part to play, I guess. But it saw quite a bit of use on Iwo Jima, IIRC.
 
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