If you believe knives arent just for cutting... this threads for you(TIP STRENGTH)

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PURPLEDC said:
Thats because anything over a $30 schrade is near custom to some...........
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I have a "custom" made in a small one man shop blade. It cost much less than an Esee and it's even in 1095 with a heck of a differential heat treat. It's ugly, but the guy just loled at me when I Asked if I ever have a problem with it. He said bring it back if you do, I'll take care of the issue. Then offered me good luck in even hurting it. He has proven himself right so far. Not even chipping through 8" of ice to go fishing couldn't break off the tip, or even bend it.

So yes I lol at the idiots, oops, I mean customers who buy an Esee who are prequalified as idiots when one breaks. I told China knife company I damaged the scales and was apologized to that I couldn't order more scales, then offered a new knife. Pretty sure Esee would have called me an idiot after reading some of their posts. In the end, customer service wins out. And I don't get why a borderline soft heat treat 1095 blades are seen to be so great by so many. Baffling, but the Internet is a wonderful place. Like before, thank you all for providing the info I need to avoid them. Ontario and China knife company has much better customer service. They will get my money, and they put a better heat treat on their 1095. Ontarios 5160 has virtually the same edge life as well. A novice wouldn't notice the slight difference, but I'm comparing the 5160 to 1095 at a 57-59HRC, so it might hold up better than the softer Esee spec.
 
Boris74 said:
I have a "custom" made in a small one man shop blade. It cost much less than an Esee and it's even in 1095 with a heck of a differential heat treat. It's ugly, but the guy just loled at me when I Asked if I ever have a problem with it. He said bring it back if you do, I'll take care of the issue. Then offered me good luck in even hurting it. He has proven himself right so far. Not even chipping through 8" of ice to go fishing couldn't break off the tip, or even bend it.

So yes I lol at the idiots, oops, I mean customers who buy an Esee who are prequalified as idiots when one breaks. I told China knife company I damaged the scales and was apologized to that I couldn't order more scales, then offered a new knife. Pretty sure Esee would have called me an idiot after reading some of their posts. In the end, customer service wins out. And I don't get why a borderline soft heat treat 1095 blades are seen to be so great by so many. Baffling, but the Internet is a wonderful place. Like before, thank you all for providing the info I need to avoid them. Ontario and China knife company has much better customer service. They will get my money, and they put a better heat treat on their 1095. Ontarios 5160 has virtually the same edge life as well. A novice wouldn't notice the slight difference, but I'm comparing the 5160 to 1095 at a 57-59HRC, so it might hold up better than the softer Esee spec.
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:rolleyes: Whatever you say Boris. Whatever you say.
 
Boris74 said:
I have a "custom" made in a small one man shop blade. It cost much less than an Esee and it's even in 1095 with a heck of a differential heat treat. It's ugly, but the guy just loled at me when I Asked if I ever have a problem with it. He said bring it back if you do, I'll take care of the issue. Then offered me good luck in even hurting it. He has proven himself right so far. Not even chipping through 8" of ice to go fishing couldn't break off the tip, or even bend it.

So yes I lol at the idiots, oops, I mean customers who buy an Esee who are prequalified as idiots when one breaks. I told China knife company I damaged the scales and was apologized to that I couldn't order more scales, then offered a new knife. Pretty sure Esee would have called me an idiot after reading some of their posts. In the end, customer service wins out. And I don't get why a borderline soft heat treat 1095 blades are seen to be so great by so many. Baffling, but the Internet is a wonderful place. Like before, thank you all for providing the info I need to avoid them. Ontario and China knife company has much better customer service. They will get my money, and they put a better heat treat on their 1095. Ontarios 5160 has virtually the same edge life as well. A novice wouldn't notice the slight difference, but I'm comparing the 5160 to 1095 at a 57-59HRC, so it might hold up better than the softer Esee spec.
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Boris, yours is the first negative I have ever heard about ESEE. I have seen ESEE's used hard, I have heard great things about their warranty and everyone seems to like them. Then I hear this from you. Interesting.
 
cricketdave said:
The only times I've seen the Esee company guys call someone an idiot it was truly deserved. If you buy a knife thats tempered for cutting things and then you throw it at a brick wall and the tip snaps off, well your kind of an idiot. If you put a knife in a vice and use a cheater bar to bend it as far as you can and break it just because and then want the company to give you a new one well your kind of an idiot. Those are the kind of things that Tripton was talking about. Certainly not actual breaks from a manufacturing defect those happen seldom but do happen. In those cases they cheerfully replaced the knife with apologies.
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Yep. Dave knows what he is talking about.
 
Tripton said:
Yep. Dave knows what he is talking about.
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What's the difference between a company who calls customers idiots and one that immediately offers a new knife when you tell them you damaged the scales and want to buy some scales? One gets my money, the other is not considered for future purchases.

I see people getting butt hurt here over trivial issues and then people insist they will give their money to a company who calls their customers idiots. Seems logical on the Internet, it don't work that way for me offline, so that's how I roll. To each their own.
 
Boris74 said:
What's the difference between a company who calls customers idiots and one that immediately offers a new knife when you tell them you damaged the scales and want to buy some scales? One gets my money, the other is not considered for future purchases.

I see people getting butt hurt here over trivial issues and then people insist they will give their money to a company who calls their customers idiots. Seems logical on the Internet, it don't work that way for me offline, so that's how I roll. To each their own.
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They don't call their customers idiots. They occasionally call an idiot, an idiot.

People that intentionally break the knives just to get new ones, people who throw them, hell there was even one guy who did a HORRIBLE job modifying an ESEE and didn't like the way it turned out, and since the warranty doesn't cover that, he broke it so that he could get a new one.

I've had and sold plenty of ESEEs. Still have a few. They don't fit my current knife wants, but I would never avoid them because they have the ability to call a spade a spade.

Personally, I wouldn't want you as a customer.
 
Tripton said:
They don't call their customers idiots. They occasionally call an idiot, an idiot.

People that intentionally break the knives just to get new ones, people who throw them, hell there was even one guy who did a HORRIBLE job modifying an ESEE and didn't like the way it turned out, and since the warranty doesn't cover that, he broke it so that he could get a new one.

I've had and sold plenty of ESEEs. Still have a few. They don't fit my current knife wants, but I would never avoid them because they have the ability to call a spade a spade.

Personally, I wouldn't want you as a customer.
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Idiots are idiots. They shouldn't warranty knives for idiots, that's idiotic. So it ultimately drives up prices, so I buy a knife, there's an idiot fee tacked on for those getting knives replaced for being idiots. I don't see the word smart in there anywhere, what is smart is not paying a company to replace idiots knives.

If you took your car to a mechanic to get an alignment and joe snuffy next to you needs an alignment because they did a good ole boy dukes of hazard jump and bent every part in the front suspension needing several parts replaced was given the same quote as you were you'd ask questions (if you were smart) like why you are paying the same with no parts being replaced. The shop owner explains well he's an idiot, but there's no reason why they should pay more than you, so they average the price out. You both pay the same so you can pay for a portion of idiots dukes jump. I'm not into paying for others idiocy. That's just me, I'm sure they make great strong knives. The business model just don't make sense and life lessons have taught me to ignore or side step things that don't sound right. Maybe they need to grow a pair and learn how to use the word no. If you did something at work and another co worked screwed it up and the boss wanted you to fix it on your time I bet you wouldn't do it. Not for free, someone's paying. Why should you? Wasn't your doing. They run their company backwards. Imagine buying an Esee at the same price the same exact knife you can get from Ontario as at the same price as the Ontario, I bet Y'all would be all over that. Make the idiots pay for being an idiot. Too easy.
 
Sounds like someone made a mistake and screwed something up by doing something that wasn't very smart and got what we call wire brushed a little. ;)

That is to be expected to a certain point and if that someone got their feelings hurt in the process.... Oh well..... It happens...
 
Boris74 said:
So, how did they handle it?
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I linked the thread in my post about the other schrade and how they handled that. Not very good. So I guess the question is, when you buy a $50 knife and the warranty isn't honored, is it worth it over the $100 knife who's warranty is honored even though they call you an idiot. Regardless of damage. Any knife can be broken, we all know that. So it remains, is the knife in the thread I linked above done by stupidity or was it legit. The damage looked to be a defect that I often see in Ontarios as well. A nickel sized divot taken out of the edge during chopping or batoning. A typical HT issue of some kind. Schrade should have honored that. The other guy breaking the tip out on the schf37, well, you can say that if he knew the tip was thin and he still did it, he was being stupid. So should schrade replace it. I have never asked for a replacement when I did something stupid with a knife, but that is just me, the warranty is there for a reason, but it appears it is not a no questions warranty like ESEE is. ESEE didn't say it offers a no comments warranty, they still comment on it, lol. But you get it replaced.
 
Cobalt said:
Well, lets see, calling someone an idiot because they did something stupid and still replacing the knife is fine by me. I guess it is better than how SCHRADE handled this:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1261520-Schrade-Warranty-For-Broken-Blade


And I wonder if SCHRADE honored this breakege?

[video=youtube;ueX9szeCdWM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueX9szeCdWM[/video]
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:eek: Boris! WTF happened, man?! I thought I heard you say it once, or twice, or 46 times, that the mighty Schrade schf37-whatever was indestructible?! My condolences...:sorrow::rolleyes:
 
Read his comment in the thread you linked, he thinks schrade is right in voiding that knifes warranty over the coating.. guess he doesnt realize the damage on that knife is typical of a BAD HEAT TREAT.
Cobalt said:
I linked the thread in my post about the other schrade and how they handled that. Not very good. So I guess the question is, when you buy a $50 knife and the warranty isn't honored, is it worth it over the $100 knife who's warranty is honored even though they call you an idiot. Regardless of damage. Any knife can be broken, we all know that. So it remains, is the knife in the thread I linked above done by stupidity or was it legit. The damage looked to be a defect that I often see in Ontarios as well. A nickel sized divot taken out of the edge during chopping or batoning. A typical HT issue of some kind. Schrade should have honored that. The other guy breaking the tip out on the schf37, well, you can say that if he knew the tip was thin and he still did it, he was being stupid. So should schrade replace it. I have never asked for a replacement when I did something stupid with a knife, but that is just me, the warranty is there for a reason, but it appears it is not a no questions warranty like ESEE is. ESEE didn't say it offers a no comments warranty, they still comment on it, lol. But you get it replaced.
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Cobalt said:
I linked the thread in my post about the other schrade and how they handled that. Not very good. So I guess the question is, when you buy a $50 knife and the warranty isn't honored, is it worth it over the $100 knife who's warranty is honored even though they call you an idiot. Regardless of damage. Any knife can be broken, we all know that. So it remains, is the knife in the thread I linked above done by stupidity or was it legit. The damage looked to be a defect that I often see in Ontarios as well. A nickel sized divot taken out of the edge during chopping or batoning. A typical HT issue of some kind. Schrade should have honored that. The other guy breaking the tip out on the schf37, well, you can say that if he knew the tip was thin and he still did it, he was being stupid. So should schrade replace it. I have never asked for a replacement when I did something stupid with a knife, but that is just me, the warranty is there for a reason, but it appears it is not a no questions warranty like ESEE is. ESEE didn't say it offers a no comments warranty, they still comment on it, lol. But you get it replaced.
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Maybe watch the video. That's all I can do for you. It is revealed what and why he has the knife in the first place. I assumed you watched it, an educated gess tells me you didn't. Aw heck, screw it, might take a few more posts..... They sent it to him to do a review, kinda use it as a guide on what not to do to a knife. I've never been in a situation EVER where I needed to use a knife for what that ninja did. Good lord he almost missed the log chopping into the end. If he had it would of ended with a chopped off finger tip, not a broken knife tip. The guy in the video ain't too bright, probably only been "into" knives for a couple years (maybe even weeks). He's probably moved onto collecting car plates to cover his walls with by now.
 
That didn't look like ridiculously hard use to me. He tried to dig one-quarter inch into a shallow notch on a log and broke a good half-inch of the tip clean off. A GSO, ESEE, Busse or a Winkler could have done that with ease.:)
 
Sikael said:
That didn't look like ridiculously hard use to me. He tried to dig one-quarter inch into a shallow notch on a log and broke a good half-inch of the tip clean off. A GSO, ESEE, Busse or a Winkler could have done that with ease.:)
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I used to do that sort of testing years ago and it wasn't all that tough really from what I saw.

It can happen though, sometimes the tips will snap off if one digs too deep and the tips aren't reinforced enough.
 
Ankerson said:
I used to do that sort of testing years ago and it wasn't all that tough really from what I saw.

It can happen though, sometimes the tips will snap off if one digs too deep and the tips aren't reinforced enough.
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Absolutely... to 'normal' knives; but to see something like that bring low the steel juggernaut that is the Schrade 37?!... it's like watching the near invulnerable Achilles being slain in single combat by Woody Allen, after the latter trips and accidentally steps on the Achaean's heel. Or something funny, I don't know.:p
 
Sikael said:
Absolutely... to 'normal' knives; but to see something like that bring low the steel juggernaut that is the Schrade 37?!... it's like watching the near invulnerable Achilles being slain in single combat by Woody Allen, after the latter trips and accidentally steps on the Achaean's heel. Or something funny, I don't know.:p
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Yeah well... ROFL :D
 
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