If you believe knives arent just for cutting... this threads for you(TIP STRENGTH)

[mrnotsam123]

I regularly stab trees and open paint cans with my Kershaw Leek, thing's a beast

you sir either have impeccable luck with your leek (the tip on mine broke very quickly) or you have confused model names.

I would need to see verification of them actually calling someone an idiot. If I had one of their knives and it failed in any way and I took it up with them and they called me an idiot, I'd send it back to them and tell them to keep it, and I'd spend my money elsewhere. I have knives made in China that I can't harm in any way through the most demanding use other than wear off the finish on the blade. If them cheap wannabe copies of what a knife actually is won't fail and one of theirs did, then it was an actual manufacture defect and all they need to do is say oops, sorry about that, let us take care of it. I fully understand some things can be defective and look perfectly fine, even esee can not avoid it, I've seen plenty of them broken. I'm sure not all of them were broken by an idiot with a knife. I had a pretty popular brand here tell me their broken knife I bought was not their fault, even before they ever seen it, their knives don't fail. That's what they told me. That was in the days before I had an email so I boxed it up and sent it to them with no return address. Haven't bought another of that brand since.

Calling customers idiots or whatever they feel like calling them because their knives never fail, sounds like a great way to encourage customers to buy else where. My wife almost got me an Esee for fathers day but got an Ontario instead because any Esee style can be had for less from Ontario except the Falcon, they don't have a copy of that one and that's the one that she thought I'd like best, and she was right. I'd be bummed holding my Esee knowing they think their customers are idiots. So please verify. I'd hate to buy one in the future knowing that, if they actually do, I will put them on my black list and I'm sure they don't want to push customers away.

You seem to give customers a lot of credit here. LOTS of customer's misuse products. Some chalk it up to the fact that they misused it and others feel they should be compensated for their stupidity, so a company rep calling customers idiots isn't some horrible offense. Choosing not to buy from a company who doesn't support people misusing a product seems rather arrogant to me. Not trying to use a blanket here and say all hard use breaks should be judged harshly or that there can't be one-off situations but I think the general sentiment here of using the proper tool for the proper job just eliminates the problem. I buy certain tools because I feel that they can withstand more than my regular minimal EDC use and if I needed to they may be used to a reasonably hard extent. However If I pull out my CQC-7 or even SMF and pry something open and damage my knife, I take responsibility for that misuse and feel it is on me to seek a solution; whether that's with a knife pimper or the manufacturer is up to my discretion and wallet. Just because a company may be willing to go over the top for some situations doesn't mean we should come to expect every situation to result in a new knife or free fix, unless that's what their warranty says explicitly (warranties exist for a reason as do tools with intended purposes).

 

[Armadew]

i was just cruising a forum on crowbars... One of the members wanted to sharpen his crowbar so he could clear brush with it, the other people in the thread started giving dude shit about it, proper tool for proper job blah blah blah. Can't believe the nerve of some people

This made me giggle

 

[FortyTwoBlades]

In all seriousness, some of my crowbars are sharpened. It helps get the end into tight cracks and on the larger ones it helps with demolition work.

 

[crom]

OP, there a re a lot of people here who believe a knife's best attribute is how good it looks in photos next to the other doodads one carries daily. Or how well it flips while watching Roseanne reruns, don't take it personally different strokes and all.

 

[Boris74]

You seem to give customers a lot of credit here. LOTS of customer's misuse products. Some chalk it up to the fact that they misused it and others feel they should be compensated for their stupidity, so a company rep calling customers idiots isn't some horrible offense. Choosing not to buy from a company who doesn't support people misusing a product seems rather arrogant to me. Not trying to use a blanket here and say all hard use breaks should be judged harshly or that there can't be one-off situations but I think the general sentiment here of using the proper tool for the proper job just eliminates the problem. I buy certain tools because I feel that they can withstand more than my regular minimal EDC use and if I needed to they may be used to a reasonably hard extent. However If I pull out my CQC-7 or even SMF and pry something open and damage my knife, I take responsibility for that misuse and feel it is on me to seek a solution; whether that's with a knife pimper or the manufacturer is up to my discretion and wallet. Just because a company may be willing to go over the top for some situations doesn't mean we should come to expect every situation to result in a new knife or free fix, unless that's what their warranty says explicitly (warranties exist for a reason as do tools with intended purposes).

The thing is customers need no credit. I am also primarily speaking for myself as well. If one of their knives broke while I was using one I bought through materials or manufacture defect and they called me an idiot, it wouldn't be a good day for the rep or the company. If I can't break inferior Chinese junk through normal use then theirs should hold up. They are the arrogant ones thinking zero of their products will break through normal use, when we both know there will always be failures with any product, it's the way things work, then they think they have a free pass to call someone an idiot when they are the ones who sold a defective product. Don't work that way in my world. If they blanket everyone as an idiot who has a warranty issue I will lol at them and buy from someone else, they don't need my money and everything they make can be bought from Ontario at better prices and even if you do abuse it they won't call you an idiot, they do everything to make you happy and if it's manufacture defect they won't default to calling you an idiot, neither will lowly cheap wannabe Schrade. Once you get through the thick edge on the Ontario brand and thin it out like an Esee is they are wonderful blades that are extremely strong.

Like I said, had that problem with another knife brand and they flat out denied any product they make fails, it's always the customers fault, and that was before they even seen it. The money I wasted on that last brand was worth it learning to never buy from them again. Not to hurt them, but to protect what tools I invest in and trust to be reliable.

Everyone praising them for calling everyone an idiot who has any warranty issue would be like being happy with a car dealer calling you an idiot if a control arm bent from material defect while your car was under warranty, if you weren't such an idiot and drove it, it would have never bent. Then replace it under warranty. That's not how this works at all.

Just my opinion but the idiot status comes from someone buying a simple cheap 1095 steel blade at near custom prices when we know it's not a sooperdooper steel, and then they put a mediocre heat treat on it..... What a bunch of clowns! They are basically calling anyone who buys their knives an idiot. That's my personal perception and for the crowd, I am not saying anyone is an idiot for buying one, it looks to me like they are calling anyone who buys one an idiot, and people gladly give them money. To each their own. I am also glad blade forums educated me on the attitude of this company, the absolute most useful information I have come across here.

 

[RedLynx]

I am only on the first page but I love that this has so many views and replies in the span of a day.

For some reason I am ridiculously excited to see if this devolves in arguing as I read.

In fact I'mma go clean my apartment and reward myself with this thread.

 

[Sonnydaze]

Hey, RedLynx, I cleaned my whole house today, and that was AFTER I had read the thread. I had worked up so much "energy" and used it for good purpose...for once.

 

[RedLynx]

Hey, RedLynx, I cleaned my whole house today, and that was AFTER I had read the thread. I had worked up so much "energy" and used it for good purpose...for once.

You should reward yourself with ice cream, sir! It's pretty hot here today and since you're in sunny Florida I am guessing it's on the warm side in your neck of the woods as well!

 

[RedLynx]

killgar,

Did you wrap the handle in electrician's tape for extra grip? Just wondering what prompted the choice.

 

[Guest5160]

I'm fresh out of oranges.

 

[Stelth]

I think you just found a unique business opportunity: bushcraft pizza cutters. I'd give Gerber a call, if I was you.

 

[marcinek]

I'm fresh out of oranges.

lol!

 

[Sikael]

In all seriousness, some of my crowbars are sharpened. It helps get the end into tight cracks and on the larger ones it helps with demolition work.

I've owned a couple 'folding crowbars', and they were surprisingly sharp... I agree completely with SurfingGringo et al, piercing ability and tip strength are different things. For tip strength, here's a very nice folding crowbar, the Redencion 228:

For a super-stabby folder I can use to fight off that 'Army of Alligators' heading north, I'd use this:

 

[killgar]

killgar,

Did you wrap the handle in electrician's tape for extra grip? Just wondering what prompted the choice.

It's a strip of bicycle innertube. I use it on most of my fixed-blades for added grip. It works great with either a wet or dry hand. It's also cheap ($5 a tube), and one tube can make several wraps. It can also be used to change the shape of a handle and produce a custom fit for ones hand (wrapping more/thicker in some areas, thinner in others).

The handle on the Wilson was a little thin for my liking, but one overlapping wrap makes it perfect for my hand.

It takes a bit of trial and error to get the wrap just right, especially tucking the loose end under previous wraps, but once you get the technique down it's easy.

I use pieces of bicycle innertube for lots of stuff.

 

[KingMC]

It's a strip of bicycle innertube. I use it on most of my fixed-blades for added grip. It works great with either a wet or dry hand. It's also cheap ($5 a tube), and one tube can make several wraps. It can also be used to change the shape of a handle and produce a custom fit for ones hand (wrapping more/thicker in some areas, thinner in others).

The handle on the Wilson was a little thin for my liking, but one overlapping wrap makes it perfect for my hand.

It takes a bit of trial and error to get the wrap just right, especially tucking the loose end under previous wraps, but once you get the technique down it's easy.

I use pieces of bicycle innertube for lots of stuff.

Nice, bicycle innertube is really cool for adding grips or holding things together, I've even seen vendors on amazon selling pieces of cut up innertubes under the name 'ranger bands'. 1 tube makes plenty of bands, though, so consider making your own before buying off amazon.

 

[cricketdave]

The thing is customers need no credit. I am also primarily speaking for myself as well. If one of their knives broke while I was using one I bought through materials or manufacture defect and they called me an idiot, it wouldn't be a good day for the rep or the company. If I can't break inferior Chinese junk through normal use then theirs should hold up. They are the arrogant ones thinking zero of their products will break through normal use, when we both know there will always be failures with any product, it's the way things work, then they think they have a free pass to call someone an idiot when they are the ones who sold a defective product. Don't work that way in my world. If they blanket everyone as an idiot who has a warranty issue I will lol at them and buy from someone else, they don't need my money and everything they make can be bought from Ontario at better prices and even if you do abuse it they won't call you an idiot, they do everything to make you happy and if it's manufacture defect they won't default to calling you an idiot, neither will lowly cheap wannabe Schrade. Once you get through the thick edge on the Ontario brand and thin it out like an Esee is they are wonderful blades that are extremely strong.

Like I said, had that problem with another knife brand and they flat out denied any product they make fails, it's always the customers fault, and that was before they even seen it. The money I wasted on that last brand was worth it learning to never buy from them again. Not to hurt them, but to protect what tools I invest in and trust to be reliable.

Everyone praising them for calling everyone an idiot who has any warranty issue would be like being happy with a car dealer calling you an idiot if a control arm bent from material defect while your car was under warranty, if you weren't such an idiot and drove it, it would have never bent. Then replace it under warranty. That's not how this works at all.

Just my opinion but the idiot status comes from someone buying a simple cheap 1095 steel blade at near custom prices when we know it's not a sooperdooper steel, and then they put a mediocre heat treat on it..... What a bunch of clowns! They are basically calling anyone who buys their knives an idiot. That's my personal perception and for the crowd, I am not saying anyone is an idiot for buying one, it looks to me like they are calling anyone who buys one an idiot, and people gladly give them money. To each their own. I am also glad blade forums educated me on the attitude of this company, the absolute most useful information I have come across here.

The only times I've seen the Esee company guys call someone an idiot it was truly deserved. If you buy a knife thats tempered for cutting things and then you throw it at a brick wall and the tip snaps off, well your kind of an idiot. If you put a knife in a vice and use a cheater bar to bend it as far as you can and break it just because and then want the company to give you a new one well your kind of an idiot. Those are the kind of things that Tripton was talking about. Certainly not actual breaks from a manufacturing defect those happen seldom but do happen. In those cases they cheerfully replaced the knife with apologies.

 

[Ankerson]

The thing is customers need no credit. I am also primarily speaking for myself as well. If one of their knives broke while I was using one I bought through materials or manufacture defect and they called me an idiot, it wouldn't be a good day for the rep or the company. If I can't break inferior Chinese junk through normal use then theirs should hold up. They are the arrogant ones thinking zero of their products will break through normal use, when we both know there will always be failures with any product, it's the way things work, then they think they have a free pass to call someone an idiot when they are the ones who sold a defective product. Don't work that way in my world. If they blanket everyone as an idiot who has a warranty issue I will lol at them and buy from someone else, they don't need my money and everything they make can be bought from Ontario at better prices and even if you do abuse it they won't call you an idiot, they do everything to make you happy and if it's manufacture defect they won't default to calling you an idiot, neither will lowly cheap wannabe Schrade. Once you get through the thick edge on the Ontario brand and thin it out like an Esee is they are wonderful blades that are extremely strong.

Like I said, had that problem with another knife brand and they flat out denied any product they make fails, it's always the customers fault, and that was before they even seen it. The money I wasted on that last brand was worth it learning to never buy from them again. Not to hurt them, but to protect what tools I invest in and trust to be reliable.

Everyone praising them for calling everyone an idiot who has any warranty issue would be like being happy with a car dealer calling you an idiot if a control arm bent from material defect while your car was under warranty, if you weren't such an idiot and drove it, it would have never bent. Then replace it under warranty. That's not how this works at all.

Just my opinion but the idiot status comes from someone buying a simple cheap 1095 steel blade at near custom prices when we know it's not a sooperdooper steel, and then they put a mediocre heat treat on it..... What a bunch of clowns! They are basically calling anyone who buys their knives an idiot. That's my personal perception and for the crowd, I am not saying anyone is an idiot for buying one, it looks to me like they are calling anyone who buys one an idiot, and people gladly give them money. To each their own. I am also glad blade forums educated me on the attitude of this company, the absolute most useful information I have come across here.

Are you talking about EESE?

They aren't exactly expense knives, nowhere near custom prices for makers that have been around for awhile and have excellent reputations, full time knife makers etc..... Some just starting out or hobbyists do sell pretty cheap sometimes, at least until they build a good rep and can justify higher prices.

That said they do have a good warranty and I would guess that they would want the broken knife back so they can test it to see what happened to it and or what the cause of failure was.

 

[wesmanthetiger]

Okay hold up, gotta address the comedians, Who feel the need to post jokes that would have a kindergardener throwing tomatoes at them. look man we'd have pizza slicers in are hands if knives were just for cutting, but knives have points for a reason. Im an owner of many knives Strider to sebenza But when you own alot of these and actually use'em you find strengths aswell as week points, most people are satisfied with a good egde, but those who agree that a knife has to be able not only to cut but thrust, wanna make sure their knives can stab as well as they slice, but see theres so many fanboys out that there, that dont actually use their knives but for cutting paper and cardboard, and if the job gets tough.. manila rope, that metals that are actually good dont get spoken about no more, metals become "irrelevant" like my friend up there with a 440c Steel blade, that youre average fan boy would say is trash if you asked for their genius advice. I own highend knives with top steels and I own the knives fanboys overnight enthusiast wouldnt use, out perform the $400+ knives in certain areas. Thanks for those with the positive stuff keep it coming

I get where you are coming from. I carried a Spyderco Tenacious as my edc for some time until I had to cut tubing at work, and I'm talking about thick 3/8 thick-walled reinforced tubing. Now that Spyderco was plenty sharp enough, but it took some time and I got a lot of blade flex. The Tenacious did it, but I always felt the blade was gonna get away from me and when I stabbed at it to start the tip actually bent a bit. I still carry it, but I also have an Ontario Utilitac II Tanto in my bag for that purpose and that thing confidently pierces and then cuts through some of the toughest material. I guess in the end it's about the right knife for the job. Both are great blades for their respective tasks.

 

[RedLynx]

It's a strip of bicycle innertube. I use it on most of my fixed-blades for added grip. It works great with either a wet or dry hand. It's also cheap ($5 a tube), and one tube can make several wraps. It can also be used to change the shape of a handle and produce a custom fit for ones hand (wrapping more/thicker in some areas, thinner in others).

The handle on the Wilson was a little thin for my liking, but one overlapping wrap makes it perfect for my hand.

It takes a bit of trial and error to get the wrap just right, especially tucking the loose end under previous wraps, but once you get the technique down it's easy.

I use pieces of bicycle innertube for lots of stuff.

Very cool, I'll keep this in mind.

 

[wesmanthetiger]

I now feel tempted to hold a pizza cutter featherstick challenge.

Lol, please do! I watched a survivalist baton wood on YouTube with a butter knife because that's what he had. I would LOVE to see feather pizza sticks!