Our Rights have been systematically taken for years. Accelerating since 9/11. What Starts in england eventually makes it's way over here. this thread has nothing to do with it. They just want us all to be Zombie sheep. Back in the day the peasants couldn't own Swords.
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Our Rights have been systematically taken for years. Accelerating since 9/11. What Starts in england eventually makes it's way over here. this thread has nothing to do with it. They just want us all to be Zombie sheep. Back in the day the peasants couldn't own Swords.
a good example of someone using a knife for self defense that sticks out in my mind is an incident that occurred during the release of one of those game systems, i think it was the play station 3. people waited in line overnight for a chance to buy the game system, and because of it there was a wave of criminal acts that coincided with release of the game system across the country. there were many assaults and robberies that occurred. i was reading about two men who had just bought their playstations and were confronted by several people in the parking lot looking to take their playstations. i believe one of the robbers had some kind of impact weapon. either way, during the ensuing fight, one of the victims pulled a pocket knife and stabbed one of the robbers in the stomach, ending the incident right there. the article mentioned that the cops did not charge the guy with the knife, as he was perfectly justified in using his knife in self defense.
ATLANTA -- A former Marine cook was acting in fear of his life and will not face charges for fatally stabbing one teenager and wounding a second while fending off a robbery in Midtown Atlanta by a group of youths armed with two guns and a pair of brass knuckles.
Police spokeswoman Sylvia Abernathy says 36-year-old Thomas Autry acted in self-defense when the suspects jumped him Monday night and he struck back with a pocket knife he had.
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/9290011/detail.html
Police spokeswoman Sylvia Abernathy says 36-year-old Thomas Autry acted in self-defense when the suspects jumped him Monday night and he struck back with a pocket knife he had.
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/9290011/detail.html
I'd stop the offender with my SP-101, I have a ccwp.
If I'm in an area where ccw is not permitted, I'd use my Spyderco Endura or SOG-TAC auto.
Best case scenario .... just 'showing' either of those 3 items would change the offender's intention quickly.
pertinent anecdote ....
Subject: FW: Posted to Craig's List Personals(THIS IS GREAT)
To the Guy Who Tried to Mug my lady friend and I in downtown Portland night before last.
Date: 2009-04-13, 3:43AM
I was the white guy with the brown Burberry jacket that you demanded I hand over shortly after you pulled the knife on me and my girlfriend as we were walking down the sidewalk minding our own business.
I'd like to apologize. I didn't expect you to crap in your pants when I drew my pistol after handing you my jacket.
Truth is, I was wearing the jacket for a reason that evening, remember, it wasn't that cold outside.
You see, my girlfriend had bought me that new Kimber Model 1911 .45 ACP pistol for my birthday, and we had just picked up a shoulder holster for it that evening. Beautiful pistol, eh? It's a very intimidating weapon when pointed at your head, isn't it? My, what an enormous hole that barrel is, right?
I know it probably wasn't a great deal of fun walking back to wherever you'd come from with that brown sludge flopping about in your pants. I'm sure it was even worse since you also ended up leaving your shoes, phone, and wallet with me. I couldn't have you calling up any of your buddies to come help you try to mug us again now could I?
I took the liberty of calling your mother, or "Momma" as you had her listed in your cell phone, and explaining to her your situation. I also bought myself and four other people in the gas station this morning a tank full of gas on your credit card. The guy with the big motor home took 150 gallons and was extremely grateful.
I gave your shoes to one of the homeless guy s over by Vinnie Van Go Go's, along with all of the cash in your wallet.
I threw the wallet in a fancy pink "pimp mobile" that was double parked at the curb after I broke the windshield and side window out. I also keyed the drivers side with a big "Happy Face".
I called a bunch of phone sex numbers from your cell phone. They'll be on your bill in case you'd like to know which ones.
Ma Bell just shut down the line, and I've only had the phone for a little over a day now, so I don't know what's going on with that. I hope they haven't permanently cut off your service.
I could only get in two threatening phone calls to the DA's office and one to the FBI with it. The FBI guy was really pissed. We had had a long chat. (I guess while he traced the number).
I wiped my prints off the phone and tossed it through the 8 x 16 foot plate glass window of the downtown ACLU office. I'm sure they'll get it back to you very quickly.
I'd also like to apologize for not killing you and instead making you walk back home humiliated..
I'm hoping that you'll reconsider your choice of path in life. Next time you might not be so lucky.
P.S. Remember this motto....... an armed society is a polite society!
If I'm in an area where ccw is not permitted, I'd use my Spyderco Endura or SOG-TAC auto.
Best case scenario .... just 'showing' either of those 3 items would change the offender's intention quickly.
pertinent anecdote ....
Subject: FW: Posted to Craig's List Personals(THIS IS GREAT)
To the Guy Who Tried to Mug my lady friend and I in downtown Portland night before last.
Date: 2009-04-13, 3:43AM
I was the white guy with the brown Burberry jacket that you demanded I hand over shortly after you pulled the knife on me and my girlfriend as we were walking down the sidewalk minding our own business.
I'd like to apologize. I didn't expect you to crap in your pants when I drew my pistol after handing you my jacket.
Truth is, I was wearing the jacket for a reason that evening, remember, it wasn't that cold outside.
You see, my girlfriend had bought me that new Kimber Model 1911 .45 ACP pistol for my birthday, and we had just picked up a shoulder holster for it that evening. Beautiful pistol, eh? It's a very intimidating weapon when pointed at your head, isn't it? My, what an enormous hole that barrel is, right?
I know it probably wasn't a great deal of fun walking back to wherever you'd come from with that brown sludge flopping about in your pants. I'm sure it was even worse since you also ended up leaving your shoes, phone, and wallet with me. I couldn't have you calling up any of your buddies to come help you try to mug us again now could I?
I took the liberty of calling your mother, or "Momma" as you had her listed in your cell phone, and explaining to her your situation. I also bought myself and four other people in the gas station this morning a tank full of gas on your credit card. The guy with the big motor home took 150 gallons and was extremely grateful.
I gave your shoes to one of the homeless guy s over by Vinnie Van Go Go's, along with all of the cash in your wallet.
I threw the wallet in a fancy pink "pimp mobile" that was double parked at the curb after I broke the windshield and side window out. I also keyed the drivers side with a big "Happy Face".
I called a bunch of phone sex numbers from your cell phone. They'll be on your bill in case you'd like to know which ones.
Ma Bell just shut down the line, and I've only had the phone for a little over a day now, so I don't know what's going on with that. I hope they haven't permanently cut off your service.
I could only get in two threatening phone calls to the DA's office and one to the FBI with it. The FBI guy was really pissed. We had had a long chat. (I guess while he traced the number).
I wiped my prints off the phone and tossed it through the 8 x 16 foot plate glass window of the downtown ACLU office. I'm sure they'll get it back to you very quickly.
I'd also like to apologize for not killing you and instead making you walk back home humiliated..
I'm hoping that you'll reconsider your choice of path in life. Next time you might not be so lucky.
P.S. Remember this motto....... an armed society is a polite society!
Better to be judged by 12 than to carried by 6.
Interesting story. Were you able to see what type of knife the friend of the drunk guy pulled out? The knifer apparently stopped a near fatal beating--What was his real world answer to the original question of this thread???
Also, what do you mean by "throwing hands"??
Thanks.
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sorry man i guess i should have realized that throwing hands is a more locally used term. i meant that a fight had started and people had started throwing punches.
believe it or not i actually got into a knife conversation with the stabber. we showed eachother what knives we were carrying ( me emerson cqc-8, him a buck that i didn't recognize but not a 112)
he had a buck that i didn't recognize. i'll look for it online and post a link to it if i can find one. for real the guy probably saved his friends/his live. they were beating on the guy pretty bad!
it was a buck pilot
Thanks for the reply and info on knife!! When you wrote "throwing hands" I had the image of like two Italian guys gesticulating with their arms...LOL..apparently not...
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It is not all fantasy to imagine having to defend your life with a knife. It happens.
Since I always have my ontario rat 1 with me, that is what it would be. If I had a choice for any folder that could pop into my hand magicaly when I needed it, I might choose the Cold Steel variety -xxl vaquero or folding kukri -but since we are talking about something I would never really have, why not make it a Cold Steel warrior katana
A realistic option is my big heavy mag lite that I keep under my car seet. Not only can it blind an attacker, but it packs wallop too. Also, not an illegal weapon to conceal.
Since I always have my ontario rat 1 with me, that is what it would be. If I had a choice for any folder that could pop into my hand magicaly when I needed it, I might choose the Cold Steel variety -xxl vaquero or folding kukri -but since we are talking about something I would never really have, why not make it a Cold Steel warrior katana
A realistic option is my big heavy mag lite that I keep under my car seet. Not only can it blind an attacker, but it packs wallop too. Also, not an illegal weapon to conceal.
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so, like, a DWO? you really didn't narrow that down much.
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Anytime a self defense situation breaks out, it's going to be dangerous. I think we all know that making tracks is the best way out of a confrontation, but in the event you're not offered an out, having a knife is better than having just your fists. Even people who are skilled in using knives know that the potential for serious hurt exists, and it's always possible that someone can land a lucky shot or just charge you with the full knowledge that they're going to take some damage, but attempt to overwhelm you.
If you keep your wits about you, you can often keep things from escalating. The only thing worse than having a knife is in not having a knife. In some situations, you have to utilize anything at your disposal. Plates, forks, a beer glass or bottle — all things need to be considered. Having nothing, however, is not a great option. The CRKT M16-14SF has a 4-inch blade, but it has a good LAWKS locking system and full hilt. It's not a bad knife for such a restricted blade size, but it's enough to save one's hide.
If you keep your wits about you, you can often keep things from escalating. The only thing worse than having a knife is in not having a knife. In some situations, you have to utilize anything at your disposal. Plates, forks, a beer glass or bottle — all things need to be considered. Having nothing, however, is not a great option. The CRKT M16-14SF has a 4-inch blade, but it has a good LAWKS locking system and full hilt. It's not a bad knife for such a restricted blade size, but it's enough to save one's hide.
Recognizing this is a knife forum, the OP's question certainly has a place. The anecdotes and DOJ stats are real enough - sometimes a knife is all you have, and can be used for self defense.
IN THE COMPLETE SPECTRUM OF SELF DEFENSE, it's just an option with it's own limitations, and commonly arrived at because of societal limitations. It certainly is not the best overall choice, regardless of our enthusiasm.
Don't limit your choices because of the narrow subject and it's incomplete offering - that would be like going to a really cheap whorehouse to shop for a wife. You shouldn't be surprised that the selection is less than optimal. There's no holier than thou attitude involved recognizing some tools available for self defense have superior attributes, and that some don't.
Again, in the big picture, standoff and reach are primary. That's being recognized by those who recommend blades over 4". More often in bar fights, pool cues, stools, chairs, and other objects are chosen for weapons because they can strike further than any folding knife, regardless of construction and price. And the DOJ stats back that up by placing knives third in frequency of use - after the category of "ANYTHING else."
The average America without a gun more often chooses not to use a knife - insert your explanation here. I don't know why, but there it is.
Personally, I'd like to see what Strider made in the genre of "gladius." I doubt any small gang of thugs would face up to a fight with one man armed with an 18" short sword. I expect they'd either leave or pull a gun - a demonstration of standoff or reach.
It's a fundamental law of conflict, and folding knives are on the short end of the stick.
IN THE COMPLETE SPECTRUM OF SELF DEFENSE, it's just an option with it's own limitations, and commonly arrived at because of societal limitations. It certainly is not the best overall choice, regardless of our enthusiasm.
Don't limit your choices because of the narrow subject and it's incomplete offering - that would be like going to a really cheap whorehouse to shop for a wife. You shouldn't be surprised that the selection is less than optimal. There's no holier than thou attitude involved recognizing some tools available for self defense have superior attributes, and that some don't.
Again, in the big picture, standoff and reach are primary. That's being recognized by those who recommend blades over 4". More often in bar fights, pool cues, stools, chairs, and other objects are chosen for weapons because they can strike further than any folding knife, regardless of construction and price. And the DOJ stats back that up by placing knives third in frequency of use - after the category of "ANYTHING else."
The average America without a gun more often chooses not to use a knife - insert your explanation here. I don't know why, but there it is.
Personally, I'd like to see what Strider made in the genre of "gladius." I doubt any small gang of thugs would face up to a fight with one man armed with an 18" short sword. I expect they'd either leave or pull a gun - a demonstration of standoff or reach.
It's a fundamental law of conflict, and folding knives are on the short end of the stick.
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That is just a moronic statement. Emerson knives are quality tools for people with discerning taste
There is no "need" to defend yourself with a knife just because you are into them. I would only use a knife as an absolute last resort. I'll go where I please, thank you. Sometimes you end up somewhere tht you didn't expect to be.
You want to knock people for talking about knives for SD but if you can't shoot well or aren't mentally ready to pull the trigger on your gun you are no better prepared than anyone else. Just because you carry a gun doesn't make you any more prepared to kill someone. ARE YOU?
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