If you want to get pissed off

Yeah unfortunately I think DHS is kind of right, us vets are a danger to the public, because they are a bunch of dumbasses that need some chlorine in the gene pool. They don't want the vets educating them or thinking that maybe it is a good idea to let everyone carry guns and not just the criminals. Oh and why don't we start bringing some of those alligators from the everglades and put them in the Rio Grande (just a thought, perhaps not well thought out)
 
Spenceds said:
is it saltwater or are you thinking they would do a better job?
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I don't think they actually live in saltwater. Much bigger and more aggressive than alligators.

http://tools.ntnews.com.au/photos/photo_gallery_popup.php?category_id=471&offset=12

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Those things freak the sh*t out of me! :eek:

As Jeff himself posited earlier, I'm of the thought that marijuana at least should be legalized...even though I'm personally quite opposed to it. Look at what happened during the prohibition--it pretty much made organized crime into a commonplace thing in this country, but all the booze-runners got put out of business the instant it was legalized again.

I think that marijuana should just be treated like alcohol: No doing it in public, no operating under the influence, etc. It's ultimately pretty tame as far as controlled substances go, and yet it's responsible for a tremendous amount of drug-related crime due to disputes over territory, smuggling, and so on due to its widespread popularity as a recreational substance--much like alcohol was during prohibition. And we don't need to be spending tax dollars essentially paying to get LEOs shot over it when the government could be making a killing of of taxing it.

Here we go again. :(
 
R.A.T. said:
I do not buy into this whole CIA crack cocaine conspiracy into CA.
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Funny, I just caught this guy on CSPAN3 the other day talking up his book.

http://www.amazon.com/Lost-History-...=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1247205355&sr=8-2

He really reamed the Washington press corps for not following up on all the government/drugs stories. Apparently there were some studies done that confirmed a lot of 80s weirdness that came out in the late 90s. Guess what was on the news 24/7 so you never heard about it. ;)

All true ? Who knows ? I suspect if you're sensitive to issues with your own government, it's easier to look at another country like Britain's long history of drug dealings. The Opium Wars are a well known starting point. Then there's Italy... nah, let's not go there. ;)
 
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There is one area that has not been addressed. HOW ABOUT PARENTS ACTUALLY PARENT THEIR KIDS! that would be a great idea!
 
Look at prostitution, illegal in the US, EXCEPT in Nevada?
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Incorrect.....Rhode Island is another exception to that...yes its true east coasters, you no longer have to drive out west for paid sexy time! hooray!
 
Hmmm, this whole thread has taken a pretty intersting turn. I live basically in nowheresville, NH. Town population around under 4000 people living in my area. Not long ago a huge Meth lab was discovered a block away from where my kids go to school. I was seriously unthrilled with this, to say the least. A guy wants to smoke a joint after work at home, I could care less. The same guy offering a couple of hits to my 12 year old is going to have his testicles removed with a dulled RC-3. Couple of friends of mine in high school smoked a little weed one night, decided to take a canoe out to a local pond, turned it over and drown. I have had friends OD on Coke, and Heroin, found days later, dead. Watched a guy in the Army roll a APC and kill the crew after smoking just a little hash in the 70's.

A few weeks ago, my house was broken into. The kid that did it lives across the street, and he has house sat, and watched our Dogs a couple of time when we were out of town. We know his family, and he seemed like a good kid. He walked right in, and we only knew about it because my oldest son was home at the time, and the kid ran. But I am 100% sure it wasnt the first time, because when we checked, we are missing a lot of jewelery, and $8000 in cash. Filed a police report, of course. Only after the fact did we find out the he has been battling drug addiction for the last two years (he is 17), that he broke into a number of houses earlier this year, including one owned by a cop that lives two houses up from us. (Stole his gun and badge). But being 17, we have to protect his rights, so we were never informed he was the one that broke into the homes. Good kid, just has a drug problem. Smoked a bit of grass before he dropped out of school. Now has a serious coke habit. Oh yeah, and a new car, but no job.

So personally, I think the idea of legalizing this crap is the dumbest, most useless idea yet. So that will what, turn the scumbag drug lords into model citizens? Do you all honestly think that with the way things are in this country, that people will only use a little, after work or whatever, and not consume so much that they will a danger to themselves and others? That be somehow legalizing it will make it so it isnt abused? We complain about the goverment, we complain about how bad things are, yet we miss the overall picture. The reason for the problems today is due to no one wanting to take personal responsibility anymore. It is always someone elses fault. "Not his fault, he's an addict". "Not his fault, he was totally unprepared for the harsh weather considitions". "Not their fault, they were just trying to help the people of their district". "Not their fault, the mortage lender convinced them to buy a house with payments twice what they make a month" Yadda Yadda Yadda.

So what we really need to do is legalize drugs, giving people yet one more reason that it isnt their fault? Maybe we could take a bit of responsibility instead, and say, hey, I don't like that it is illegal, but that IS the current law, so I won't buy it. Support the LEOs, DEA, BP, by not supporting the money side of things, and actually obeying the current laws. Never happen of course. Too many out there feel that because they don't agree with it, they are exempt from following the law, and of course they only smoke a little, so they really aren't part of the problem. Maybe we could scream loudly for the RIGHTS of our BP, our DEA, our LEOs, and pass laws that allow them to really have a war on drugs. The novel approach that if we are going to give these brave men and women the job, then we ought to have the guts to back them up and let them do it. How about we try something different... how about instead of legalizing drugs, we just stop buying them? Hmmm.... no market, no money. No money, no point, because the risk is far more then the reward.

Oh well, this rant got a bit longer then I entended.
 
MrCoffee said:
Yeah easy for you to say, you've never MET my kids :D
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and as you have never met mine......YES i spank my kids! i'll be damned if they're going to turn into those little bastards that run all over their parentings and disrespect anyone in their path.
 
MrCoffee said:
Hmmm, this whole thread has taken a pretty intersting turn. I live basically in nowheresville, NH. Town population around under 4000 people living in my area. Not long ago a huge Meth lab was discovered a block away from where my kids go to school. I was seriously unthrilled with this, to say the least. A guy wants to smoke a joint after work at home, I could care less. The same guy offering a couple of hits to my 12 year old is going to have his testicles removed with a dulled RC-3. Couple of friends of mine in high school smoked a little weed one night, decided to take a canoe out to a local pond, turned it over and drown. I have had friends OD on Coke, and Heroin, found days later, dead. Watched a guy in the Army roll a APC and kill the crew after smoking just a little hash in the 70's.

A few weeks ago, my house was broken into. The kid that did it lives across the street, and he has house sat, and watched our Dogs a couple of time when we were out of town. We know his family, and he seemed like a good kid. He walked right in, and we only knew about it because my oldest son was home at the time, and the kid ran. But I am 100% sure it wasnt the first time, because when we checked, we are missing a lot of jewelery, and $8000 in cash. Filed a police report, of course. Only after the fact did we find out the he has been battling drug addiction for the last two years (he is 17), that he broke into a number of houses earlier this year, including one owned by a cop that lives two houses up from us. (Stole his gun and badge). But being 17, we have to protect his rights, so we were never informed he was the one that broke into the homes. Good kid, just has a drug problem. Smoked a bit of grass before he dropped out of school. Now has a serious coke habit. Oh yeah, and a new car, but no job.

So personally, I think the idea of legalizing this crap is the dumbest, most useless idea yet. So that will what, turn the scumbag drug lords into model citizens? Do you all honestly think that with the way things are in this country, that people will only use a little, after work or whatever, and not consume so much that they will a danger to themselves and others? That be somehow legalizing it will make it so it isnt abused? We complain about the goverment, we complain about how bad things are, yet we miss the overall picture. The reason for the problems today is due to no one wanting to take personal responsibility anymore. It is always someone elses fault. "Not his fault, he's an addict". "Not his fault, he was totally unprepared for the harsh weather considitions". "Not their fault, they were just trying to help the people of their district". "Not their fault, the mortage lender convinced them to buy a house with payments twice what they make a month" Yadda Yadda Yadda.

So what we really need to do is legalize drugs, giving people yet one more reason that it isnt their fault? Maybe we could take a bit of responsibility instead, and say, hey, I don't like that it is illegal, but that IS the current law, so I won't buy it. Support the LEOs, DEA, BP, by not supporting the money side of things, and actually obeying the current laws. Never happen of course. Too many out there feel that because they don't agree with it, they are exempt from following the law, and of course they only smoke a little, so they really aren't part of the problem. Maybe we could scream loudly for the RIGHTS of our BP, our DEA, our LEOs, and pass laws that allow them to really have a war on drugs. The novel approach that if we are going to give these brave men and women the job, then we ought to have the guts to back them up and let them do it. How about we try something different... how about instead of legalizing drugs, we just stop buying them? Hmmm.... no market, no money. No money, no point, because the risk is far more then the reward.

Oh well, this rant got a bit longer then I entended.
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The best way to implement this master plan is to ban the real gateway drug, alcohol. Yes, bring back Prohibition, if you really feel this way, bring that back. In my own experience, I have NEVER, EVER witnessed pot being the gateway drug that all of these "experts" claim it to be. I think it is total horseshit. Every kid I ever knew started out in his Dad's beer supply or a liquor cabinet in the home or the home of some other kid, period. But the government always has a good line of bullshit when it comes to such matters and the gateway drug angle is one of the most perverse. Here is another one, "Johnny, if you do that, you could kill your whole damned family and never remember doing it, pot is incredibly dangerous." Uh, when the kid finds out that all of the "bad trip" claims about simple pot were parents, teachers and cops LYING TO THEM, they DON'T BELIEVE the REAL STUFF you tell them about HARDER DRUGS. This is lost in the whole debate. You have to tell the kids the truth, people get addicted to drugs, including alcohol and cigarettes because...at first, IT DOES FEEL GOOD! Used in moderation, even the hardest drugs will continue to feel great it is only with abuse that the horrors come to pass AND with the harder drugs like (freebase) crack cocaine, PCP and crystal methamphetamine you actually can have a terrible incident the first time and kill people. Not everything is pot or hash.

When I started smoking cigarettes, they didn't taste bad, they were not wonderful but they were OK, but they gave you a kick! Nicotine is a stimulant. After a few years, your mouth tastes like a baby dragon has been using it for a toilet and you feel like shit because you think Assram Habeeb down at the Exxon owns your fucking soul because he is the guy that can RELIABLY score for you the Buy One Get One Free Deal on Camel Light Box every three days as you have reached your maintenence level like a heroin or morphine addict...

What I am tired of is senseless, lying bullshit about alcohol blood levels put forth by MADD and the rest of the gun control-like groups of people. No one is going to tell me that the blood alcohol level for a 97 lbs. woman is the same for a man who weighs 187 lbs. it is total bullshit and it, too, is designed to make money. You want to stop people from drinking and driving? First of all, you ban bars. I think we should get rid of all of this blood alcohol level bullshit and simply BAN drinking and driving. If you go to a bar, you better not take your car because when you leave the bar, you had better not have drank a drop or you are in the detention center for six months. How about if we are really going to do something...just do it?

Because it's about MONEY. Sure, your average person who joins MADD, sure, they have suffered a terrible loss and went through a horrendous tragedy in their lives - just like the parents who have "lost" children and other loved ones to a nut or irresponsible asshole with a firearm. For some reason, as gun owners, we can see that they are misguided but MADD just gets a pass.

Most people driving the blood alcohol level game are either in it for the money or their ultimate goal is the return of Prohibition.

If we are going to continue to keep these more simple drugs illegal, I say let's stop being hypocrites and bring back Prohibition of alcohol. I am talking about the "softer" drugs of course, not PCP and the harder drugs that can make you violent simply by taking it once.

Anyway...that's enough of this madness, the beauty of this debate is..nothing is going to change. Too much money involved.
 
Anyway...that's enough of this madness, the beauty of this debate is..nothing is going to change. Too much money involved.[/QUOTE]

All things change, and our percpective in regards to these moral issues are changing as well. The goverment is always within a certain regards playing catchup to the people and their changing beliefs on topics such as this.
Just takes time.:)
 
MrCoffee said:
But being 17, we have to protect his rights, so we were never informed he was the one that broke into the homes.
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This is one of my pet peeves. We should out these juvenile miscreants and let them take their lumps while they are still somewhat malleable and impressionable. Let the public put some shame on them. Today's kids are a lot more sophisticated than we were. Instead of beating someone's ass in a dispute, they shoot each other. Kids that will do that shit shouldn't be coddled by outdated laws.
 
Blaming drugs for crime is just as stupid as blaming guns or knives for crime, and of the same mindset. People commit crimes, it is hippie-dippy PC BS to go casting about to shift the responsibility off the individual.
 
Well... ok. I agree that alcohol is as much a drug as any of the others. Which is why I drink responsibily. One beer, after that no driving. Period. No exceptions. If I am the lone parent at home with the kids, no alcohol. Period, no execptions. Legalizing alcohol has done nothing to prevent its abuse. Not one single thing. I happen to really like Beer. A lot. But abusing it isnt my style. Again, don't like the laws about alcohol? Then start changing them. But just because you don't agree with the DUI laws, doesn't mean that you are exempt from them. And I am not exactly sure what MADD has to do with gun rights and ownership, but my view on that is that the 2nd amendment is clearly spelled out, and the biggest issue with it is that not enough folks have the guts to stand up for that right.

And I disagree with the "gateway" drug theory as well. I know I never would have tried coke if I hadn't tried pot. And I wouldn't have staggered around a school dance on Acid if I hadn't already tried Coke. Etc. The list goes on, until I couldn't remeber the last time I hadn't smoked a joint on the way to school, and I quit all of it. Of course I took up smoking cigarettes and drinking afterwards.

Don, this isnt a personal attack on your ideas, just my own opinions spelled out. I agree to disagree with your post, and love the fact that we live somewhere we can both have totally different ideas and opinions, and can freely express them.

I have no issues at all with what Grump and MrsShotty said, I tend to agree, but not in as heavy handed way as my father did.
 
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