I'm Glad I Already Have Mags

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u812 said:
Big difference is that Police are bonded. I am sure school systems do not want to try and bond teachers. Here you would have to be a Deputy,Police Officer or Special Police(Deputy or Police Officer would have to go to the Academy) and bonded through the Sheriff or Police Chief if in a city. I do know that many Sheriffs and Police Chiefs do not want to bond anyone that is not under their direct supervision and I don't blame them as they can be held personally accountable for their actions.
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What difference does that make? There's going to be lawsuits no matter what happens and who shoots, that's just a fact of life these days.
 
The way the schools and any other place would look at it is the bond would cover a lost lawsuit.
 
u812 said:
The way the schools and any other place would look at it is the bond would cover a lost lawsuit.
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Not really. If something happened everyone and thing is getting sued. Anyone with a gun, anyone who shot, the PD, the school district, the school administrators, the gun manufacturer, etc. This is why I pay $11/month for the peace of mind I get knowing I have legal protection both civilly and criminally should I be involved in a shooting.
 
Cavalry_Scout said:
Not really. If something happened everyone and thing is getting sued. Anyone with a gun, anyone who shot, the PD, the school district, the school administrators, the gun manufacturer, etc. This is why I pay $11/month for the peace of mind I get knowing I have legal protection both civilly and criminally should I be involved in a shooting.
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...Even the state. Yesterday the news announced that a lawyer is seeking permission to sue Connecticut. $100M on behalf of a 6 year old survivor.
 
Cavalry_Scout said:
Soldiers shoot people they respect regularly. I respected the hell out of those old men n Afghanistan that have been fighting their entire lives with poor provisions, yet I had no trouble lighting them up when the opportunity presented itself.

Firearm training is not intended to teach you to respect your fellow man, that is what your (not you specifically, no offense intended) parents are/were for.
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None taken:) I wasnt really meaning wartime shootings and teaching respect along with firearm training was meant as more of a joke than my feelings. If someone hasn't learned respect for life by the age of being able to legally buy a firearm it's probably too late anyway.

As a soldier did you respect the Afgans as human lives, tough survivors or both? It would be easy for me to lose respect someone tring to kill me.

Either way... Thanks for your service!
 
Wait a minute, so the dead victims families don't get to sue? why don't they sue the remaining family members and friends of the killer also? I feel they are partly to blame for not having that sick low life scum bag locked in a cell and key thrown away. How do you not know? They should also sue the mental health dept of the state for letting a psychopath like that walk free in the streets. The government should look at spending more money on mental health screening, instead of trying to take guns away from law abiding citizens. And the mom- she deserved it. She had a mentally incapable kid have access to her obviously unlocked firearms and got shot with her own guns. She had it coming! Sorry to say that but his access to them is just Unacceptable. I would be fine with the law just requiring a safe of some sort to secure firearms, instead of trying to take Firearms away from good folks. Teachers should not be allowed to carry. I believe they need to have some officers assigned to schools just like the have officers assigned to hospitals for the same reason. I would not trust teachers to lock their guns up or put away, some kids can easily find a way to steal them and or get them while they are accessible for a moments notice. There is no easy answer to this. Either everyone has em, or no one has em. And at this point you can't take them away from everybody. No easy way.

Jaxx said:
...Even the state. Yesterday the news announced that a lawyer is seeking permission to sue Connecticut. $100M on behalf of a 6 year old survivor.
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Trident777 said:
Wait a minute, so the dead victims families don't get to sue? why don't they sue the remaining family members and friends of the killer also? I feel they are partly to blame for not having that sick low life scum bag locked in a cell and key thrown away. They should also sue the mental health dept of the state for letting a psychopath like that walk free in the streets. The government should look at spending more money on mental health screening, instead of trying to take guns away from law abiding citizens. And the mom- she deserved it. She had a mentally incapable kid have access to her obviously unlocked firearms and got shot with her own guns. She had it coming! Teachers should not be allowed to carry. I believe they need to have some officers assigned to schools just like the have officers assigned to hospitals for the same reason. Teachers are whack jobs too. (Not all i mean they can be like anybody else) There is no easy answer to this. Either everyone has em, or no one has em. And at this point you can't take them away from everybody. No easy way.
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Hold up! ...This is just the first law suit announced. Surely there will be plenty more coming. Give the ambulance chasers time!
 
drift draft said:
None taken:) I wasnt really meaning wartime shootings and teaching respect along with firearm training was meant as more of a joke than my feelings. If someone hasn't learned respect for life by the age of being able to legally buy a firearm it's probably too late anyway.

As a soldier did you respect the Afgans as human lives, tough survivors or both? It would be easy for me to lose respect someone tring to kill me.

Either way... Thanks for your service!
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It's somewhat paradoxical, we dehumanized the enemy to the point that they should be beyond respect, yet we respected them as fighters and survivors. It may be different now as most of the older guys that fought through the Soviets have likely been killed (06 timeframe). These were the fire and maneuver, hit and run types, not the bury 500lbs of fertilizer and video tape it types.

Thank you

Eta: we had more respect for our enemy than we did for most of our 'allies'...especially the ANA/ANP
 
Trident777 said:
Teachers should not be allowed to carry. I believe they need to have some officers assigned to schools just like the have officers assigned to hospitals for the same reason. I would not trust teachers to lock their guns up or put away, some kids can easily find a way to steal them and or get them while they are accessible for a moments notice.

There is no easy answer to this.
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I agree. Just like at a hospital, and officer would have ONE job on his mind. Protection.
A teacher has many jobs on their mind at all times(just like a nurse), and especially at the lower grade levels. Teaching, decipline, counseling, and the list goes on.
Mentally speaking, I think its a much tougher job than most realize. I think most have seen a teacher with frayed nerves at some point,lol. Throw security in the mix, and I could imagine how one could get careless with securing their gun at all times. They have way to much on them at times as is without throwing guns into the mix. JMHO.

Like you said, there is no easy answer to this.
 
Trident777 said:
Wait a minute, so the dead victims families don't get to sue? why don't they sue the remaining family members and friends of the killer also? I feel they are partly to blame for not having that sick low life scum bag locked in a cell and key thrown away. How do you not know? They should also sue the mental health dept of the state for letting a psychopath like that walk free in the streets. The government should look at spending more money on mental health screening, instead of trying to take guns away from law abiding citizens.And the mom- she deserved it. She had a mentally incapable kid have access to her obviously unlocked firearms and got shot with her own guns. She had it coming! Sorry to say that but his access to them is just Unacceptable. I would be fine with the law just requiring a safe of some sort to secure firearms, instead of trying to take Firearms away from good folks. Teachers should not be allowed to carry. I believe they need to have some officers assigned to schools just like the have officers assigned to hospitals for the same reason. I would not trust teachers to lock their guns up or put away, some kids can easily find a way to steal them and or get them while they are accessible for a moments notice. There is no easy answer to this. Either everyone has em, or no one has em. And at this point you can't take them away from everybody. No easy way.
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I disagree! No Mother deserves to be shot in the head while asleep. Even Bad Mothers!

Also it seems to me either everyone keeps the right to have them, or only criminals, cops and the government will have them.
 
Ken44 said:
I agree. Just like at a hospital, and officer would have ONE job on his mind. Protection.
A teacher has many jobs on their mind at all times(just like a nurse), and especially at the lower grade levels. Teaching, decipline, counseling, and the list goes on.
Mentally speaking, I think its a much tougher job than most realize. I think most have seen a teacher with frayed nerves at some point,lol. Throw security in the mix, and I could imagine how one could get careless with securing their gun at all times. They have way to much on them at times as is without throwing guns into the mix. JMHO.

Like you said, there is no easy answer to this.
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The same way they do everything else in their lives without getting careless about it. And security is not going to be on their minds, or it shouldn't. Security is not their job; however, should the situation dictate, they will have the means to defend themselves and those around them. There are millions of people (no source, just a SWAG) in this country that work everyday while carrying a concealed handgun without getting careless about it. It's pretty simple, I wake up, I put on pants, pistol goes in holster. It doesn't leave holster unless going into a prohibited place, in which case it goes into safe in my truck. There is nothing to get careless about, there is no superfluous handling of it.
 
Drift draft- in this context I meant if she had locked up her guns and practiced responsible ownership like 99.9% of us do out there, 25 lives would not have been lost. So in that context, I guess she paid her debt for raising a monster like that, and letting him run loose in society and at that school. Ask the parents that lost their kids what they think, sleeping or not, heh. It's just another example of a terribly unfortunate tragedy, which has no reason, or explanation.

The rush after the election was bad enough for the hunt for mags, and prices were already high, now it is basically unobtanium! I pity the fools going out and buying them at the super inflated prices, I paid the price during the first election and felt so crappy afterwards when things settled down. They cannot take our rights away if we don't let them.

I think Winston Churchill said:

Once upon a time all the animals in the zoo decided that they would disarm, and they arranged to have a conference to arrange the matter. So the Rhinoceros said when he opened the proceedings that the use of teeth was barbarous and horrible and ought to be strictly prohibited by general consent. Horns, which were mainly defensive weapons, would, of course, have to be allowed. The Buffalo, the Stag, the Porcupine, and even the little Hedgehog all said they would vote with the Rhino, but the Lion and the Tiger took a different view. They defended teeth and even claws, which they described as honourable weapons of immemorial antiquity. The Panther, the Leopard, the Puma, and the whole tribe of small cats all supported the Lion and the Tiger. Then the Bear spoke. He proposed that both teeth and horns should be banned and never used again for fighting by any animal. It would be quite enough if animals were allowed to give each other a good hug when they quarreled. No one could object to that. It was so fraternal, and that would be a great step towards peace. However, all the other animals were very offended with the Bear, and the Turkey fell into a perfect panic. The discussion got so hot and angry, and all those animals began thinking so much about horns and teeth and hugging when they argued about the peaceful intentions that had brought them together that they began to look at one another in a very nasty way. Luckily the keepers were able to calm them down and persuade them to go back quietly to their cages, and they began to feel quite friendly with one another again.

So basically everyone needs to calm down but the damned media loves this crap and keeps adding fuel to the fire. Why don't they write about how the the government should lower taxes create more jobs and improve quality of life? WTF does a ban do? False security?
 
Cavalry_Scout said:
The same way they do everything else in their lives without getting careless about it. And security is not going to be on their minds, or it shouldn't. Security is not their job; however, should the situation dictate, they will have the means to defend themselves and those around them. There are millions of people (no source, just a SWAG) in this country that work everyday while carrying a concealed handgun without getting careless about it. It's pretty simple, I wake up, I put on pants, pistol goes in holster. It doesn't leave holster unless going into a prohibited place, in which case it goes into safe in my truck. There is nothing to get careless about, there is no superfluous handling of it.
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Are you a teacher ? If so, one at lower grade level ? If not you have no idea what stress they have to deal with. Just because you think it would be simple, and think you could do it does not mean we would have over 100,000 teachers that could do as good as you.

And if you give them a gun, and tell them its part of their job to defend their kids, then security would be part of their job.
No matter what you think, and how much you wish to argue it, it won't happen, and for good reason.

It may happen in some schools, but never in them all.
 
Trident777 said:
Drift draft- in this context I meant if she had locked up her guns and practiced responsible ownership like 99.9% of us do out there, 25 lives would not have been lost. So in that context, I guess she paid her debt for raising a monster like that, and letting him run loose in society and at that school. Ask the parents that lost their kids what they think, sleeping or not, heh. It's just another example of a terribly unfortunate tragedy, which has no reason, or explanation.
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Who said the guns weren't locked up in a safe or had cable locks running through them and got the information about a combination or keys out of her before he shot her?

Maybe the news said all the guns were easily accessible, I didn't catch that part if they did, then again, the information changes about this even almost daily from what caliber the guns were, which were used, the mother's past, and the shooter's past, so....
 
Ken44 said:
Are you a teacher ? If so, one at lower grade level ? If not you have no idea what stress they have to deal with. Just because you think it would be simple, and think you could do it does not mean we would have over 100,000 teachers that could do as good as you.
I am not
And if you give them a gun, and tell them its part of their job to defend their kids, then security would be part of their job.
No matter what you think, and how much you wish to argue it, it won't happen, and for good reason.
Nobody is givI ng anyone guns and telling them that, nor are they advocating that, nor will that ever happen. Have you read anything I've typed?
It may happen in some schools, but never in them all.
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The only thing anyone sane has asked for is that those people that WANT to carry in school be allowed to. Just as they are allowed to nearly everywhere else they go in their every day lives. Just as millions of Americans do every day.


Eta: as far as stressful jobs, I think I know a thing or two about that:eek:
 
Trident777 said:
I think Winston Churchill said: Once upon a time all the animals in the zoo decided that they would disarm, and they arranged to have a conference to arrange the matter. So the Rhinoceros said when he opened the proceedings that the use of teeth was barbarous and horrible and ought to be strictly prohibited by general consent. Horns, which were mainly defensive weapons, would, of course, have to be allowed. The Buffalo, the Stag, the Porcupine, and even the little Hedgehog all said they would vote with the Rhino, but the Lion and the Tiger took a different view. They defended teeth and even claws, which they described as honourable weapons of immemorial antiquity. The Panther, the Leopard, the Puma, and the whole tribe of small cats all supported the Lion and the Tiger. Then the Bear spoke. He proposed that both teeth and horns should be banned and never used again for fighting by any animal. It would be quite enough if animals were allowed to give each other a good hug when they quarreled. No one could object to that. It was so fraternal, and that would be a great step towards peace. However, all the other animals were very offended with the Bear, and the Turkey fell into a perfect panic. The discussion got so hot and angry, and all those animals began thinking so much about horns and teeth and hugging when they argued about the peaceful intentions that had brought them together that they began to look at one another in a very nasty way. Luckily the keepers were able to calm them down and persuade them to go back quietly to their cages, and they began to feel quite friendly with one another again.
Um... Churchill was British, and they lost their guns.:confused:
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Cavalry_Scout said:
The only thing anyone sane has asked for is that those people that WANT to carry in school be allowed to. Just as they are allowed to nearly everywhere else they go in their every day lives. Just as millions of Americans do every day.
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I'm quite sane thank you. And I'm not asking for it.

Carring a gun nearly everywhere you go(as I do) is nothing like a teacher doing it. A teacher is often in a high stress situation already, and I want 100% of their focus on the overloaded job that they already have.

Like I said, it would work in some, but not all. Just because some teacher WANT's to carry a gun at school doesn't mean they are capable of handling the pressure of teaching kids, taking care of crying young ones, counseling kids that need it, etc..., doesn't mean they could make sure they could assure their gun would always be in their control in a high stress situation.
Just because they THINK they could, doesn't make it so.

I'm not going to waste my time debating it with someone like you, so lets just say you win. I'll sure we'll see teachers with guns in 100,000 schools soon. Later.
 
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