I'm new here...why does every fixed blade knife have to be a star at batoning?

I agree.

Back in 2019 there was a guy wilderness camping and cut his femoral artery.
They found him dead, and figured he severed it splitting wood.

The coroner said he probably died within 10 minutes of the injury.

The tourniquet he had on wasn't enough to save him.

Rescuer's went out looking for him in a major rainstorm after his wife reported him overdue......

Yeah.
I haven't used a hatchet or axe to spit kindling since.

I know my own limits (and history with sharp things). I avoid using axes and hatchets because I don't believe I can manage the risks of using them consistently over the long term. Yeah, you can baton a hatchet, but if you're only going to use it to baton, what's the point?
 
It seems like batoning is the standard by which all fixed blade knives are judged by. Why is that? I use a axe or hatchet for that. It seems that a lot of knife nuts are wanna be survivalists just like many guns nut seem to be wanna be "operators".

IMO It's just a youtube thing. Anyone with a brain knows that knives, especially ones made from SS are not for batons. You can get a really thick blade in a SS super steel that will do okay, but then you're starting to look at a hand axe.
 
I know my own limits (and history with sharp things). I avoid using axes and hatchets because I don't believe I can manage the risks of using them consistently over the long term. Yeah, you can baton a hatchet, but if you're only going to use it to baton, what's the point?

Yep.
Life is a learning process.
Offset gains against risks.

I'm pretty happy and the older I get the more I begin to realize my most valuable asset is my health.
Tomorrow means nothing without my ability to enjoy it.

I've done lots of camping and splitting wood with an axe or hatchet.
Heated with wood for years.
....Came close to hurting myself a few times.

The only wood I need to split anymore is usually done next to an RV.
I take my froe.
I just think it's safer. Fun as well.😎
 
I've had an Esee 6 HM in my cart for a while now.
It's a nice-looking knife. :thumbsup:

I like big knives with big handles.
 
Until I used a heavy parang I'd have agreed, did a side by side test and my 12" 5160 parang out chops my GFB hatchet and obviously does all knife things better than an axe, batons brilliantly too.
How much does your parang weigh, and how much does your GFB hatchet weigh?

Ounce for ounce, I can't imagine a chopper out chopping an ax. It's just the laws of physics.
 
IMO It's just a youtube thing. Anyone with a brain knows that knives, especially ones made from SS are not for batons. You can get a really thick blade in a SS super steel that will do okay, but then you're starting to look at a hand axe.
No.

First time I saw it done was on Peche Island at a W&SS gathering, and it certainly was not done with a stainless steel blade (original pre-Ontario Knives RD-9).
It was way more efficient that chopping away with knives or hatchets, for the size of wood being used.

I had been doing it to split much smaller wood using my hand with a palm slap or hammer fist on the spine of the blade for years before that (before the internet existed even! :eek:), but that was the first time I had seen a second piece of wood used to assist.

But the modern idea of moronically wailing away with a caveman club to split logs does appear to be more a YouTube thing, along with the idea that almost every fixed blade should be used in such a way, regardless of design intent.
 
I have never batoned anything. But I would if I was preparing a fire. I used to be quite good at making a fire. It's just a test that some use to test their knives, mostly. It is absolutely ridiculous how some here on this forum are at war with batoning with a knife. It's just a way to split wood. And a test. Who cares. A good knife is a good knife.
 
No.

First time I saw it done was on Peche Island at a W&SS gathering, and it certainly was not done with a stainless steel blade (original pre-Ontario Knives RD-9).
It was way more efficient that chopping away with knives or hatchets, for the size of wood being used.

I had been doing it to split much smaller wood using my hand with a palm slap or hammer fist on the spine of the blade for years before that (before the internet existed even! :eek:), but that was the first time I had seen a second piece of wood used to assist.

But the modern idea of moronically wailing away with a caveman club to split logs does appear to be more a YouTube thing, along with the idea that almost every fixed blade should be used in such a way, regardless of design intent.

You made my point better than I could. 👍 :cool:
 
How much does your parang weigh, and how much does your GFB hatchet weigh?

Ounce for ounce, I can't imagine a chopper out chopping an ax. It's just the laws of physics.
Indeed it is basic physics -

Parang weight 540g and overall length 46cm.

Gransfors hatchet 600g and overall length 35cm.

That's also not taking into account the parang blade shape and handle which is perfectly balanced and extremely comfortable/optimised for chopping, it also beats a traditional hatchet handle shape in this regard ime.
 
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Indeed it is basic physics -

Parang weight 540g and overall length 46cm.

Gransfors hatchet 600g and overall length 35cm.
Interesting. It looks very close. Parang is longer and GB weighs more. On paper I would say the hatchet should out chop the parang, but it doesn't matter.
Have fun 👍
 
You've just got me getting both out and having a little go (it's late here in the UK🤣). The balance point is quite a long way into the blade of the parang (so quite blade heavy). Just holding each the axe feels a little "clumsy" although heavier towards the blade. The grind is approximately half as thick on the parang and obviously thickens quickly on the axe. Whilst chopping I can also generate more speed with the parang so a few factors at play.
 
Is it time to initiate engineer/physics instructor mode and start talking about angular momentum and mass moments of inertia?
I was going to weigh them both at certain points and work out the leverage and then force generated and then thought regardless I enjoy the parang for chopping more for extended periods it works and as Dogstar said I think I'll just enjoy it and not over think too much!
 
I was going to weigh them both at certain points and work out the leverage and then force generated and then thought regardless I enjoy the parang for chopping more for extended periods it works and as Dogstar said I think I'll just enjoy it and not over think too much!
Yup, we like what we like. That's more important than anything the internet tells you.
 
It seems like batoning is the standard by which all fixed blade knives are judged by.
I haven’t noticed that, although many folks doing reviews will baton an outdoor knife to test durability and how well it performs the function that lots of REAL outdoors types do with their knives. Makes sense to me.

Ok, this is a serious question. What’s the purpose of a big camp knife if not for batoning? I ask because I’ve been on a big camp knife kick lately (recently bought an Esee Junglas, Esee 6 along with a Lionsteel T6 and M7) mostly because they are very cool and I love knives! If you were not going to baton with them, what would you use them for? Food prep? Whittling and making fire sticks and shavings? Seems like my Mora Garberg is better suited for that.

So, what is the purpose of these big camp knives and how are they best used (assuming no batoning). Probably should have asked before I blew some money 😆
Chopping. Especially de-limbing. Especially quickly de-limbing large numbers of small conifers that you just quickly chopped down with that same knife to make an emergency mattress and shelter for the night.

So as far as I'm concerned, pretty much any knife, especially fixed blades, can baton with the proper technique.
Yup - just need to take smaller bites and use softer blows with more delicate knives. Not rocket surgery.

If you dip a cotton ball half way into candle wax and then smash it flat as the wax cools you get these little half dollar sized spark catchers that burn like a candle for about 10 minutes, depending on the amount of wax.
Awesome! Thanks! This beats the cotton balls and petroleum jelly that I’ve been using because there’s no need to wrap them in foil (and they probably burn longer). 👍

I would say that a quality folder or small fixed blade and a camp axe or folding saw would be a far better pairing and vastly more useful than a huge chopper in virtually every imaginable situation.
Virtually.


19th-20th century fascine knives. were a mix of machete like knives, bolos and billhooks. It is a kind of construction that goes back into the dark ages. We can easily imagine any of our large "camp knives" used for this purpose. They certainly weren't making knives, like the ones pictured here, just for internet review
Excellent point.

Large knives (thin and thick), saws, and hatchets/axes have all been made-for and used-in wood work for centuries. Each has their place, and if they didn’t, they wouldn’t have existed for so long.

If you’re scoffing at a tool, there’s a good chance you have something to learn about it.
 
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