I'm so sick of the double standard!!!

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Mine does. As my Moras gain in value, so do I.

I've been lowballed on pretty much every knife I've sold here. As an individual, it's just part of selling. Being lowballed by a dealer that's gonna post your knife for sale in the same spot you did is a bit odd though. Kinda like saying "This is all your knife's worth with you selling it, but when I sell it in 3 days it'll be worth more."

THIS is why it's insulting. If it's someone who isn't going to resell ASAP and might possibly get some enjoyment out of it. Then I have no problem getting lowballed. But a Dealer who is going to make Money off me... Come on give me a break!

If you were marking a low 250$ for a fast sell and it's marked up to 450$ for profit - all you had to do to accomplish that same "in 3 days it'll be worth more" is mark your price at 450$. You will have to wait longer for it to sell though.

Sorta. If you also owned a pawn shop or car dealership next door then it would be closer. The knives don't even leave the website. Just get moved to the top of the pile with a new name attached. Don't get me wrong, I get your point and of course it's not surprising. I just see petah's view of it as well as yours.

It's accurate, if you are trying to move a vintage bayonet for 50$ in a given city and you go and sell it to a pawn shop for 35, only have them mark it up to 100 - it's still being sold to the exact same market and in the same city. Dealers also may not market solely to this forum, I know of at least one other forum that houses sales garnered from here.
 
O wow, everyone is still here talking about me. That's good. Sorry but I've been busy the last two days. I seem to have a serge in business. All the views on this thread and talking about me is really having other check out my threads and buy my knives. So I guess nobody actually cares or respects the people that are saying bad things about me. They are checking out my feedback score and I guess that stands for itself.
So I just wanted to stop by and thank everyone for their support! I wish everyone a great weekend!

O, and if you check, I didn't put a link in the normal Busse forums to for my "for sale threads." The person that did that is a wonderful customer that got his from Busse from me. I wish he would post some pictures, it's really beautiful!
But I have a signature but then again, so does half the people here =)

If a thread in which many people express their dissatisfaction with your business practices truly does increase how many knives you are moving, then I am sure you will have no complaints about it to Spark, the mods, or Jerry, correct? In fact, it sounds like the smart thing to do is to encourage more discussion about you and your way of selling knives. Wouldn't you agree? You'll be on the fast track to a comfortable retirement in no time!
 
As an outsider looking in, I can honestly say that all of the hoarding and profiteering that surrounds this brand is a giant turn off.

I currently own zero Busse's. It will most likely stay that way until things change.

That's a silly reason to not own some great knives. Buy directly from Busse or the Company Store and this stuff will never be an issue for you.
 
the search problem is a little annoying for me, the dealers not so much. The only reason you really have dealers for Busse knives is because Busse only makes sprints for all their models. Knowing a supply will be finite causes this. most likely they same reason their knives can command such a high price directly. if there was constant production of 2-3 models, those would probably not make it into dealer stock
 
Hey Bill, check my signature =)


Dan, did you mean the sig line you use as advertising in every post you write?

Dan, just a heads up, thats something negative folks are talking about in these threads.
 
In my humble opinion, if I conduct a search for, say, an ‘FBM’ and almost one entire page (and a lot of the 2nd page, & 3rd…) is from one person selling FBM’s, along with: BJ’s, BSt’s, SFNO’s, Killer Bee’s, KZ’s, HR’s, SH’s, and etcetera… and 'fbm' is not in the title, there is a problem.
Don’t believe me, try searching 'fbm'.
 
I dont know. Are dealers supposed to be allowed to sell in individual sections? Does it happen in other individual sections? Are dealers allowed to link to their sale threads within general discussion? Is linking to and placing key words for every available knife and for sale thread you have within each and every thread allowed?

I'm pretty sure the answers are; No, No, No, and No... but it happens. Hence the double standard.

I guess I'm done. I hate beating a dead horse or stating the same simple opinion/gripe a million times... it comes across as whining. Clearly a lot of people feel the same way I do.


These are the dealer specific rules currently in effect can be found here:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/announcement.php?f=699&a=98

spark said:
2. Rules for DEALERS:

1. If you are a dealer, you MUST have a DEALER membership to sell on this site.
2. Dealers are EXEMPT from Rule 3.1.2 above
3. You are allowed to have any other level of membership and take part in discussions, however unless you have a DEALER membership you may not:

1. Mention or link to your business in any way (not applicable to Knifemakers)
2. Use private messaging to sell to members
3. Include your business name in your username
4. Use your signature or avatar to promote your business.
5. Take part in any discussions involving your business OUTSIDE the Feedback forum.
6. If you break any of these rules, your ad may be locked or removed entirely, without notice. If it's particularly bad, your account may be locked as well.

Rule 3.1.2 =
spark said:
SECTION 3 - Rules for Sellers / Traders / Service Providers (hereafter referred to as "Sellers"):

1. Rules for everyone:

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[strikethrough]Individuals may have no more than TWO ads on Page 1 of any Sale or Trade forum, and FOUR ads within the first two pages.[/strikethrough] (Temporarily suspended per testing)
 
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I have a solution. Let's start lowballing all the dealers. Tell them their knife is only worth x and if they don't sell to you for that price, you hope they choke on all the knifes they hoarding. They in turn will get their feelings hurt and ask for a dealers only sub forum and they can trade among themselves. Wow, this thread is getting out there.


something not many people take into account, if no one ever buy's a single blade from a dealer: they've purchased every single one of those blades from someone else or directly from busse. Everyone got their money. Busse sold more knives, those people who wanted to sell their knives for x amount got x amount.


Newbie or old hat. If you are reckless with your money and don't do you own research and make an emotional purchase then you take your chances for overpaying. A fool and his money can be parted. Whether it's over paying for a knife or a car. We don't have to condone practices of certain individuals, but what happened to being responsible for ones own actions?

seconded. after looking objectively at the purchases I've made at over-inflated prices (a 600$ SHBA that I sold for 300$) I came to the conclusion that it wasn't the sellers fault in any way. I asked for the knife at the price he listed and took the responsibility squarely on myself. The transaction itself was great, if someone asked me "is this a good guy to deal with?" I'd say, "Yes. He shipped the knife quickly with good packaging and had good communication." - because thats what makes a good seller. Not the price. Not my emotional connection to the price or my current economic status.

If this was in regards to something like food or water I would have a different opinion as they are necessary resources for life and thus profit at the cost of raising the overall price of goods becomes a health issue for a large group of people.


Don't you get though, or see though that it's the double standard and shady practices that prevent this? A guy comes on asking for a general price and he immediately gets an email from a dealer with tons of knives. "Wow! This guy has lots of knives that I can't seem to find anywhere because I just stumbled upon Busse and their unique sales approach..." So then, someone suggests he searches the exchange and he gets two pages of (the same) dealer's threads. THEN!! In going back even further, he finds other individuals threads with the prices removed (which is a separate issue entirely). So... where is this competent research supposed to occur amidst all the BS one encounters when Busse knife shopping?

Maybe Liu Kang should move on to selling really nice pens... there... I said it.

anyone who ever cold calls you about anything should always be held to a higher standard of scrutiny and suspicion. Product rarity or the false image of rarity is present in nearly all collectible markets, it's a sales tactic that you can't get away from. If you wish to participate in any market for collectible goods, these are things you will have to learn. Because they are not taught to kids in school/the home, you have to learn them on your own through long standing observation and analysis. ("You" is meant to indicate the general new-to-busse crowd, not you adrock1978 specifically)

Competent analysis can be acheived as it's always been acheived, the dealers only make up a certain percentage of the market - the non-dealer sellers are still there just as they were before dealer influence and presence. In order to search though the internet, it's necessary to have good pan/scan skills and selective attention to filtering. If you disregard all of the dealer threads, you can get just as much information as you could before they were around, it just takes a little longer and a slightly modified search parameter.

As an outsider looking in, I can honestly say that all of the hoarding and profiteering that surrounds this brand is a giant turn off.

I currently own zero Busse's. It will most likely stay that way until things change.

Is it silly?

I wonder why these threads keep popping up then?


It's worth looking at them as a stand alone product free of any and all social connections by buying them directly from busse when they are offered. They keep popping up because people attach an emotional connection to purchases that colors their perception of the transaction. Even though the seller did everything a good seller is supposed to do (good communication, accurately described the knife, accurately described all expected charges pre-sale, shipped quickly and shipped with sufficient protection of product) they may feel as though they've been taken advantage of because someone else was selling the same knife for 50% of the price and they didn't see it. That is not the sellers fault, it is the buyers - but the emotional reaction still stands and the person will want to express it.
 
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While I generally can see the points the OP is raising and while I agree with some, I do have something to say about double standards.

I think he sees a new Busse fan as a new source of income, where we see them as brethren and fellow enthusiasts.

I don't doubt you mean what you say and I don't want to attack you or single you out, but IMHO this whole community is a living double standard. From my perspective as an international member I am more or less excluded from most of the "getting stuff and collecting Busses" fun.

Most of you won't ship outside USA (this changed somewhat after the market broke down some months ago), I can't go to shows and that's where the cool stuff is sold or pre-sold. Of course there are the Ganzaaas. But those are held at a time that is very cool for you, but impossible for me. Same goes for the offerings of the company store. 09:00 pm. Great.

What does all this have to do with dealers or, more precisely, with LK?
Well, he is one of the few who had always been open to intl. sales. At a high price, of course. But he did it and he has the stuff. Where the rest of you shut the door to intl. members.
So there. For me, people like LK are a better option than all those "brethren and fellow enthusiasts".
And his existance and all the uproar he causes is a little revenge every day for being excluded.


In the end, it is all about perspective, which is subjective.


I am sorry for the somewhat disillusioned and bitter tone of my post. Of course I could have invested myself and I could have tried to become a part of the HOG comunity. After having lurked a few months, I just didn't want to anymore. Double standards.
 
While I generally can see the points the OP is raising and while I agree with some, I do have something to say about double standards.



I don't doubt you mean what you say and I don't want to attack you or single you out, but IMHO this whole community is a living double standard. From my perspective as an international member I am more or less excluded from most of the "getting stuff and collecting Busses" fun.

Most of you won't ship outside USA (this changed somewhat after the market broke down some months ago), I can't go to shows and that's where the cool stuff is sold or pre-sold. Of course there are the Ganzaaas. But those are held at a time that is very cool for you, but impossible for me. Same goes for the offerings of the company store. 09:00 pm. Great.

What does all this have to do with dealers or, more precisely, with LK?
Well, he is one of the few who had always been open to intl. sales. At a high price, of course. But he did it and he has the stuff. Where the rest of you shut the door to intl. members.
So there. For me, people like LK are a better option than all those "brethren and fellow enthusiasts".
And his existance and all the uproar he causes is a little revenge every day for being excluded.


In the end, it is all about perspective, which is subjective.


I am sorry for the somewhat disillusioned and bitter tone of my post. Of course I could have invested myself and I could have tried to become a part of the HOG comunity. After having lurked a few months, I just didn't want to anymore. Double standards.

FWIW, I have never refused a request to sell any knife internationally, nor have I ever had an issue because of doing so. And I do not think I am the only non-dealer Busse affecionado who has sold internationally either. There are many. If you feel that you must buy from LK because you can't find anyone else who will sell and ship internationally, then I will respectfully suggest that you look a little harder and a little longer. It really isn't as difficult as you make it sound.
 
FWIW, I have never refused a request to sell any knife internationally, nor have I ever had an issue because of doing so. And I do not think I am the only non-dealer Busse affecionado who has sold internationally either. There are many. If you feel that you must buy from LK because you can't find anyone else who will sell and ship internationally, then I will respectfully suggest that you look a little harder and a little longer. It really isn't as difficult as you make it sound.

I think part of it is trying to find a particular model, which cuts the overall willing-to-sell-internationally list down to maybe one or none at all. There may be 30 people willing to sell internationally, but which one will have a BAE for sale in the next three years?
 
I think part of it is trying to find a particular model, which cuts the overall willing-to-sell-internationally list down to maybe one or none at all. There may be 30 people willing to sell internationally, but which one will have a BAE for sale in the next three years?

Maybe, but that is not what he said. He stated that he was "more or less excluded from most of the "getting stuff and collecting Busses" fun".
 
Wow.....

Just read the whole thread over breakfast and a cup of coffee.

What all the guys complaining about dealers are saying is that they will sell any Busse they have in their collection for no more than what they paid for it, because if you don't then you are just another money hungry dealer, right??

Who wants to sell me an ABALE for it's original selling price?? I've always liked those but never been silly enough to spend the $1000 asking price (by individuals as well as dealers)

I'm a Busse newb with a decent collection of stuff that I like, some I over paid for and some I got at the right price. Each time it was my choice, nobody forced me.

Either we operate in a free market or we adopt a communist approach and control who does what and how.

As for the search issue, I don't think it's that hard to avoid the threads that you don't want to open up, so that argument does not have much weight either.
 
FWIW, I have never refused a request to sell any knife internationally, nor have I ever had an issue because of doing so. And I do not think I am the only non-dealer Busse affecionado who has sold internationally either. There are many. If you feel that you must buy from LK because you can't find anyone else who will sell and ship internationally, then I will respectfully suggest that you look a little harder and a little longer. It really isn't as difficult as you make it sound.

I did not say that no one ships internationally, but not too long ago, very few did, now some more. Don't make the mistake of assuming I did not do my homework.
I looked hard. I looked long. For months. I bought knives. More than a dozen.
And it was difficult to get the right combo of a knive for sale and a willing seller.

I think you can imagine the frustration of seeing something you'd really want ... CONUS only.
It is not so much about not getting a knife but about the "not with you" attitude that is included in all those sales threads. This is not very inviting.

I don't "have to" buy from LK. It was a choice I made. I dit not buy many knives from him. Except for the price, I can't complain about the transaction. He is a viable option for me to get what I want. It is that easy.
 
thats great, i am not trying to stir any pots, just posted my opinion..., It was nice knowing you as well...I know where to get my sheaths now.

Dont get personal, its not worth it, quite honestly. Your using my means to feed my family against me because I want desperately to see things at peace again. Thats not very nice my friend, please dont stoop that low.
 
Maybe, but that is not what he said. He stated that he was "more or less excluded from most of the "getting stuff and collecting Busses" fun".

Yes. Because it is very tough to participate in shows, ganzaas or be there when the company store opens the flood gates in addition to the already mentioned X-change problems.
There is a significant disadvantage at play that requires way more effort or money to be able to join the fun. "Fun" being able to gain access to the cool stuff just iek the others. Dealers as a part of the secondary market are one way to level the playing field by spending more money. Basically, LK walks in, buys the cool stuff before you can and sells it to me.
There sure are other ways, too, but we're talking about dealers and double standards here.
 
as a major "CONUS ONLY" offender, I very much get why people are unhappy about it, and I appreciate those who are willing to take the general risks associated with overseas shipping. I've been bit twice (once on knives, once on a canada ebay deal) and am in an economic position to reduce my risks as much humanly possible. If I was more stable and had the income to insure myself against losses/time spent trying to recover the insurance on the goods I would be more open to it. living less-than paycheck to paycheck and slowly accruing debt keeps me from wanting to take the risk.
 
"Everything is worth what its purchaser will pay for it." - Syrus... a long time ago.

No one forces anyone to buy anything... The market sets the price.

Dealers sometimes charge more, but odds are they have what you want when you want to buy it. Many people are willing to pay more to get exactly what they desire. I see nothing wrong with this. It is a simple law of supply and demand. And no matter how much anyone biatches about it here... it will not change. ;)

Publilius (less correctly Publius) Syrus, a Latin writer of maxims, flourished in the 1st century BC. He was an Assyrian who was brought as a slave to Italy, but by his wit and talent he won the favor of his master, who freed and educated him.




This thread is driving me to drinking... :thumbup: so I tolerate it. :D
 
I am sorry, I do not want this thread turned into a intl. shipping discussion.

My point was that to emphasize the subjectiveness of the matter as I am one who finds the dealer offerings attractive and not offending because of the price ... AND ... my point was further to point out that there is more than one double standard here in the Busse area. Yet I see stones thrown only in one direction.
 
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