I'm so sick of the double standard!!!

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adrock1978 said:
Don't you get though, or see though that it's the double standard and shady practices that prevent this? A guy comes on asking for a general price and he immediately gets an email from a dealer with tons of knives. "Wow! This guy has lots of knives that I can't seem to find anywhere because I just stumbled upon Busse and their unique sales approach..." So then, someone suggests he searches the exchange and he gets two pages of (the same) dealer's threads. THEN!! In going back even further, he finds other individuals threads with the prices removed (which is a separate issue entirely). So... where is this competent research supposed to occur amidst all the BS one encounters when Busse knife shopping?
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But is it really a double standard? Is what he does against any rules?

We have it from the Man, by way of Jaxx, that dealers are allowed to post in the Busse sale forum (as they should be). Are the other things he does against any specific rules?

I really don't know. I've never looked into it.
 
Wow,...capitalism...i do not think so. Feel more like a peasant. Got to go take the pics. of my Busse's:)
 
I maybe new, but its my opinion, this thread seems like its all about one person, if you cant afford his knives dont buy them, when you do a search you get the results wether it be from an individual seller or dealer, you are still getting the search results.
 
high desert said:
Maybe a moderator can chime in and address the question about rules being broken then we can all be on the same page?
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I agree with high desert and the OP. If you click on the "ANNOUNCEMENT: Just a friendly reminder - You might be a dealer if..." link above the for sale by INDIVIDUALS (key word there) it gives a pretty easily understood set of criteria that may cause someone to fall into the category of a "dealer". I looked through the rules section of this forum and couldn't 'technically' find anything that specifically stated "Dealers can't post in the INDIVIDUAL for sale exchange forum"... But judging from the fact that there IS an announcement that says...

Just a friendly reminder - You might be a dealer if...

... you buy knives with the express purpose to turn around and resell them at a profit, on a regular basis, then you just might be a dealer.
... you buy knives at wholesale, then turn around and sell them at just below retail, then you just might be a dealer.
... you have a store, or a certificate of resale, and are selling here as a Gold Member, then you just might be a dealer.

We're getting reports of at least 3 individuals listed as Gold members engaging in this sort of thing. Needless to say, this is frowned upon and will get your Gold Membership pulled.

Just a friendly warning from your friendly forums Administrator.

Kevin

And judging from the fact that there IS a dealer forum for people to simply flip knives, in my opinion, it's pretty clear that there are some forum members that are 'getting game' on the system here, and posting in a forum that is contrary to the 'spirit' of it.

True, dealers pay more than the 'Gold Member' but the Gold Member DOES pay, and he/she pays with the acceptance and expectation that the rules and 'spirit' of the forum will be followed.

What gets me, are the Nosey Nellys that jump all over the "true individual" that tries to sell a knife on the For Sale (Individual) exchange but has forgotten to "update his member status" and the holier-than-thou Nazis chime in. Rules are rules. This isn't a free forum... You pay to post if you want to post 'for sale' items, so the rules should apply to EVERYONE. Just my two cents...
 
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xBORISx said:
I maybe new, but its my opinion, this thread seems like its all about one person, if you cant afford his knives dont buy them, when you do a search you get the results wether it be from an individual seller or dealer, you are still getting the search results.
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There you go again...:) There are a lot of things that have gone on that haven't been touched on in this thread.
 
kurodrago said:
At the end you bought the NMSFNOLE? or you didn't had a good deal!?
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No, not from that dealer. I went on and found one priced for what they normally go for. And ironically when the seller found out how much the dealer wanted for it, he dropped his price by $10 more just to further undercut said dealer.
 
xBORISx said:
I read the whole thing, it all sounds like everyone is after one guy, lets be honest
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Please listen to calmer heads, dont stir an already slopping pot. Unless you like doing that sort of thing, then well, nice knowing you.
 
O wow, everyone is still here talking about me. That's good. Sorry but I've been busy the last two days. I seem to have a serge in business. All the views on this thread and talking about me is really having other check out my threads and buy my knives. So I guess nobody actually cares or respects the people that are saying bad things about me. They are checking out my feedback score and I guess that stands for itself.
So I just wanted to stop by and thank everyone for their support! I wish everyone a great weekend!

O, and if you check, I didn't put a link in the normal Busse forums to for my "for sale threads." The person that did that is a wonderful customer that got his from Busse from me. I wish he would post some pictures, it's really beautiful!
But I have a signature but then again, so does half the people here =)
 
As an outsider looking in, I can honestly say that all of the hoarding and profiteering that surrounds this brand is a giant turn off.

I currently own zero Busse's. It will most likely stay that way until things change.
 
5.56 said:
As an outsider looking in, I can honestly say that all of the hoarding and profiteering that surrounds this brand is a giant turn off.

I currently own zero Busse's. It will most likely stay that way until things change.
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Don't exclude yourself from one of the best knife companies because of the bitching and moaning from the folks that buy them!!!! Try one out, you won't be disappointed!
 
Liu Kang said:
O wow, everyone is still here talking about me. That's good. Sorry but I've been busy the last two days. I seem to have a serge in business. All the views on this thread and talking about me is really having other check out my threads and buy my knives. So I guess nobody actually cares or respects the people that are saying bad things about me. They are checking out my feedback score and I guess that stands for itself.
So I just wanted to stop by and thank everyone for their support! I wish everyone a great weekend!

O, and if you check, I didn't put a link in the normal Busse forums to for my "for sale threads." The person that did that is a wonderful customer that got his from Busse from me. I wish he would post some pictures, it's really beautiful!
But I have a signature but then again, so does half the people here =)
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Dan, does that mean your frilly silk fabric (serge) business picked up?
 
adrock1978 said:
The argument always comes up "well if I want a knife and I want it now, I'll go to a dealer and pay his price." Bull crap!!! I say. Generally you can always find at least one other person selling that knife. Now you've effectively given the advantage to the dealer because his for sale threads are spammed all over the G damned place.
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Not so. For long stretches of time SHBM's, SHSH's, War Boars, PT5's, PD's, and anything older then 2002 (ergo, straight handles, and field grades) simply were not on the market. You would have to start cold calling/emailing people looking for information about where one was, and if that person was willing to sell it. This has been the case since 2003 when I first joined, and it's less so now that there is a collection of 100-200 individual knives held in perpetual stock by dealers. Yes they are at a higher price - but when your cold calling people for 2 months looking for an BME, you're in no better position for getting a lower price.

Thats not to say that it's an ideal situation for the buyer, that would msrp or lower on all models at all times, without the potential for market upward trends (this is regardless of dealers, as seen by the 1000$+ SHBM's that have sold pre-dealer influence). And I'm not saying that dealers don't buoy the overall market price on a given market by having the only available piece priced 300$ above msrp/last sold price - in many instances they do. I only mean to say that the idea that models have always been as available as they are now due to dealers maintaining a constant stock - they weren't.
 
on_the_edge said:
You need a gold membership or higher to sell even one knife on BFC. That is $25/year.
A dealer membership for one year is $200. It IS more expensive, but I don't understand why there have to be additional perks with a dealer membership. A dealer is defined (or not) here at BFC by the volume of sales. Well, a dealer membership may be 8 times more expensive than a gold membership, but you can bet your bottom dollar that a dealer is definitely moving a lot more than 8 times the number of knives I have for sale. So again, why are the extra perks needed?
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Spark/the forum doesn't make a single penny on any of the sales that happen here, the revenue comes from membership fee's and advertisements. You sell 1 knife, a dealer sells 3,000,000 knives and spark has made the same amount of money on your transactions: zero. By paying 8x the membership fee's, a dealer is putting in 8x the cashflow into the greater system.

on_the_edge said:
And what the OP stated in his original post is simply a variation on this theme of taking advantage to someone else's detriment. Dealer or not, if one is so willing to take advantage of someone else to benefit yourself, then you are NOT so much a HOG as a sychophant.
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You have just described all of capitalism. You take a product or a service that is worth a given amount and you sell it for a higher value. When you work for a car repair shop and you get paid 18$ an hour, your boss is charging the customer 25$, even though his total all-included cost is 20$/hour. He's just made 5$ an hour, every hour, off of you, out of nowhere.

When you buy a house, do you not expect it to increase in price? would you be happy to sell your house at the same price to a prospective buyer 20 years down the line? It's expected that you'll take this house, hope that demand increases in the time you have it (however long that may be: it may be 2 months) and then sell it for more then you put into it. Money and value out of thin air, the burden being placed on the otherwise innocent new buyer.
 
thats great, i am not trying to stir any pots, just posted my opinion..., It was nice knowing you as well...I know where to get my sheaths now.
leatherman said:
Please listen to calmer heads, dont stir an already slopping pot. Unless you like doing that sort of thing, then well, nice knowing you.
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