I just wanted to take a quick minute to say a few things about a true friend of mine. Some of you might have had the displeasure of reading the childish rants and hits against Bob Glassman in the recent past. I want to say for the record that you should not judge an individual by what you read. Judge people for yourself. I have been lucky enough to do buisness with Bob on occasion, but I have gained much more than knives from him. I gained a friend. He has helped me on a number or occasions when he didn't have to. I wasn't sure if I had the money to buy a knife from him recently and he held it for me anyway. Even after a couple of weeks when I couldn't come through with the cash, he understood. I personally find what some people have said about him unfair. I don't know what happened between certain people and Bob, but save your trash talk for somewhere else. I'm sure that little fights on the forum are not appreciated by many. Are we all 12 years old in a playground? Come on guys. So anyway in conclusion. I hope I havn't ruffled too many feathers. As for others out there, believe me when I say Bob is a pleasure to do buisness with. Thanx for your time. Unfortunatley in life you may offend someone to get your point across. If I did I appologize...
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In defense of a friend
- Thread starter USAFSP
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Then what's the point of this post? Obviously, you're trying to influence people to see things your way. That's the whole reason for this forum.
If you don't know what happened between certain people, how can you say what was said about him was unfair?
If you want to let people know about your dealings with your friend, then that's fine. Leave it at that. However, if you want people to know what you think was unfairly said about your friend, don't be vague. Specifically point out what you think was unfair (and who said it) and refute it. And by all means, don't let the facts get in the way of a good opinion.
Exactly what I've always said.
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Kelly
My Custom Knife Collection
AKTI Member #A000289
Deo Vindice
Senator you are correct. Let me re-iterate. the "Unfair" part is that Bob was jumped on in a manner that showed no tact. Take it somewhere else. This is a place where seven thousand some odd persons are viewing a couple of people act like babies. I deal enough with settling disputs at work. I don't need to come home and see this crap in a place where I enjoy learning about my hobby. Yes, you are also correct about me saying nice things about Bob. But those are only opinions on my part. What was said on that post with the bickering, was directed at some one. I'm talking about Bob, not to Bob. If I want to compliment him, I'll call him at home. I'm merely sharing my opinions, and asking others not to make any quick judgements on what another couple of Forumites might say.
Hi,
USAFSP, where should we take this? I thought this was "The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly." That's the whole point of this forum. People are simply expressing and showing how they've felt regarding interactions with Mr. Glassman. I can say that I have no quarrel with him one way or another.
USAFSP said "and asking others not to make any quick judgements on what another couple of Forumites might say" I think there were more than a couple in that thread. Some were concerned about perceive legal action Mr Glassman was about to pursue. If you call asking for an apology threatening lawsuit not childish, then what is?
I haven't made up my mind as to what I think of Mr Glassman, and no one probably cares, but in light of two or three who've had bad experiences with him, I can say that my tendency is sliding to not wanting to have anything to do with him, just my honest opinion...please keep that in mind,
jon
USAFSP, where should we take this? I thought this was "The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly." That's the whole point of this forum. People are simply expressing and showing how they've felt regarding interactions with Mr. Glassman. I can say that I have no quarrel with him one way or another.
USAFSP said "and asking others not to make any quick judgements on what another couple of Forumites might say" I think there were more than a couple in that thread. Some were concerned about perceive legal action Mr Glassman was about to pursue. If you call asking for an apology threatening lawsuit not childish, then what is?
I haven't made up my mind as to what I think of Mr Glassman, and no one probably cares, but in light of two or three who've had bad experiences with him, I can say that my tendency is sliding to not wanting to have anything to do with him, just my honest opinion...please keep that in mind,
jon
In other words, you can't debate the merits of the facts that were presented, you're merely upset about the delivery of the information. Sounds like yet another example of style over substance.
Maybe we should rename this forum The Good, Better, and Best Forum and only allow forumites to post their good experiences so as not to upset the sensitive among us.
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Kelly
My Custom Knife Collection
AKTI Member #A000289
Deo Vindice
Hi USAFSP,
IMHO lack of tact and judgement is what caused the problem to begin with.
What is posted to the forums is posted for everyone to see. Anytime you are interested in facts I can show them to you, both sides are posted. There is alot that is missed because of private email exchanges.
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Senator you are correct. Let me re-iterate. the "Unfair" part is that Bob was jumped on in a manner that showed no tact.
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IMHO lack of tact and judgement is what caused the problem to begin with.
What is posted to the forums is posted for everyone to see. Anytime you are interested in facts I can show them to you, both sides are posted. There is alot that is missed because of private email exchanges.
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Senator you are correct. Let me re-iterate. the "Unfair" part is that Bob was jumped on in a manner that showed no tact.
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Oh, some people are impossible!! O.k., if we are to pick apart this entire post than lets do it right. This is more a battle of wits than an opinionated thread. Does anyone remember high school? I'm 25 yrs young, so I kind of do. There were always these kids who would start a fight in the hallway, never throwing a punch, just waiting for a teacher to break it up. That makes me sick. I'm not going to continue this back and forth "pushing". I have no personal grudge with any one. If every post I put on this thread is going to be picked apart sentence by sentence than I don't see a reason to continue it. I won't have a battle of wits with someone I don't know. I'm not singleing out anyone. Or talking bad directly to anyone. So don't bring the fight to me. If I named you directly, then I would understand. I have had some really good dealings up to this point on the forums. Let's stop this, unless you want to say something bad about me.
That is exactly what you did by starting this very thread. If you have a beef with the way your friend was treated, then spell out what it is, and who your beef is with. Then - and only then - can the facts be debated.
I have nothing bad to say about you, but I'm tired of you and others who cry foul, but then run to mommy (or their lawyer) whenever someone calls you out. If you have something to say, say it. Provide specifics. Present your side. Debate the facts. Show proof. Stand behind what you say. Don't wuss out when someone disagrees with you. If you're not prepared to back up what you say, and if you don't want people to scrutinize what you say, why say anything at all?
Senator, you have never been wrong about anything in your life have you? Nothing funnier than a computer tough guy. Your retort to me about running to mommy was cute. I can go back and forth with you all day. Should we really bother these kind people though? Let's leave it at that. You are right and I am wrong. I am willing to back off this if you are. To all who are reading this. I'm sorry that I tried to say something nice about a friend. This post was for Bob Glassman. If it's about me now instead, then it's original purpose is mute. I will say however, that I am an honest person who has not burned anyone. I don't feel that I need to show any evidence for saying what happened was wrong. It's all there for everyone to read on the original post for the Sebenza. As I said before, put your gripes here, but leave your fights for outside in the parking lot where they belong. If I need to be there, I will. I don't run to mommy.
Here - if you want to write about your good experiences with Bob, try this:
It's only when you insert the other stuff that you wrote into your post that you open yourself up. In reality, you were trying to start a fight in the hallway, while waiting for a teacher to break it up.
It's only when you insert the other stuff that you wrote into your post that you open yourself up. In reality, you were trying to start a fight in the hallway, while waiting for a teacher to break it up.
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Where's the hall monitor when you need him?
Ahhh, Jake... Therein lies the real problem. There was no hall monitor in the first place to let Bob know that he should be selling his stuff in the Dealer Forum. Had that been the case, none of this would have ever happened. Such is life...
Edit - Actually, that did happen in the Custom Forum. A couple of moderators instructed Bob that the Dealer Forum was where he should be posting his stuff for sale. Had there been a moderator to do the same thing in the Individual F/S Forum, we'd all be one big happy family now.
[This message has been edited by Senator (edited 10-03-2000).]
Edit - Actually, that did happen in the Custom Forum. A couple of moderators instructed Bob that the Dealer Forum was where he should be posting his stuff for sale. Had there been a moderator to do the same thing in the Individual F/S Forum, we'd all be one big happy family now.
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I'm not a high school hall monitor; I'm a New England town meeting moderator. My role is to see that everybody is allowed to speak, even the loonies, and no one is allowed to shout anybody down. Sometimes I ask questions to help bring out the facts, and sometimes I post links to other threads to make it easier to follow the discussion. This thread seems to be related to http://www.bladeforums.com/ubb/Forum7/HTML/009847.html
The purpose of this forum is for people to post their experiences with a dealer so other people who are considering doing business with that dealer can read them and decide for themselves whether they want to deal with him or not. Dealers can respond to posts and often the way they choose to respond is more revealing than the original post.
Tactfulness is not required -- it would often be impossible to report experiences in any way that everyone involved would consider tactful. The idea is to report the facts, preferably clearly and with a minimum of villification of the other party in the transaction and other members who post reports that you may find upsetting.
Villifying the bearer of bad (or good) news will not make the news go away. Most of this thread so far looks pretty pointless and off-topic. Let's try to get back on topic, gentlebeings, and report your experiences with Bob Glassman. Talking about the way other members are reporting their experiences is pointless; we can all see their posts for ourselves and decide for ourselves what we think of those members and their opinions.
By the way, there are a lot more than 7,000 people reading this forum -- lurkers outnumber posters 10-20 to 1 throughout the net, and web-based forums like this one have a higher proportion of lurkers than other parts of the net -- and people will be reading everything you post here for years to come as they search out posts on dealers they're considering buying from, too....
-Cougar :{)
The purpose of this forum is for people to post their experiences with a dealer so other people who are considering doing business with that dealer can read them and decide for themselves whether they want to deal with him or not. Dealers can respond to posts and often the way they choose to respond is more revealing than the original post.
Tactfulness is not required -- it would often be impossible to report experiences in any way that everyone involved would consider tactful. The idea is to report the facts, preferably clearly and with a minimum of villification of the other party in the transaction and other members who post reports that you may find upsetting.
Villifying the bearer of bad (or good) news will not make the news go away. Most of this thread so far looks pretty pointless and off-topic. Let's try to get back on topic, gentlebeings, and report your experiences with Bob Glassman. Talking about the way other members are reporting their experiences is pointless; we can all see their posts for ourselves and decide for ourselves what we think of those members and their opinions.
By the way, there are a lot more than 7,000 people reading this forum -- lurkers outnumber posters 10-20 to 1 throughout the net, and web-based forums like this one have a higher proportion of lurkers than other parts of the net -- and people will be reading everything you post here for years to come as they search out posts on dealers they're considering buying from, too....
-Cougar :{)
Originally posted by Comrade Chang:
I remember High School.I'm still in it.
Best quote of the day!!!
ROFLMA!!
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Maybe I can shed some light on why, and what started this whole thing, and why I think Bob was jumped on unfairly.
It started when a certain person took it upon himself to reply to a post that someone put up to sell a knife. In that reply he came out, and publicly, and maliciously attack Mr. Glassman. That should never have taken place! He should have e-mailed Bob, and then if there was no satisfaction, post it on the G,B, & U... Not use someones post for his own vendetta, that was wrong! That was also the beggining of this whole thing.
Now, in my opinion that person should have been chastised for using that poor guy's post in that manner.
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It started when a certain person took it upon himself to reply to a post that someone put up to sell a knife. In that reply he came out, and publicly, and maliciously attack Mr. Glassman. That should never have taken place! He should have e-mailed Bob, and then if there was no satisfaction, post it on the G,B, & U... Not use someones post for his own vendetta, that was wrong! That was also the beggining of this whole thing.
Now, in my opinion that person should have been chastised for using that poor guy's post in that manner.
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BC... For those who fought for it, Freedom has a flavor the protected will never know... Semper Fi
[This message has been edited by narruc1 (edited 10-03-2000).]
Narruc - Maybe you could shed some light on why and what started this whole thing - if you bothered to learn the facts before spouting off. It did NOT start with the post you are referring to. It started long before that. E-mails WERE exchanged. I also agreed with you that the thread you refer to wasn't the best place to discuss Mr. Glassman. I had no intention of discussing it further. However, Bob was the one who decided to continue the discussion in that thread.
Also, "that poor guy" had already sold his knife. In fact, it was the buyer of the knife that used the post to publicly discuss his problems with Mr. Glassman.
Also, "that poor guy" had already sold his knife. In fact, it was the buyer of the knife that used the post to publicly discuss his problems with Mr. Glassman.
narruc,
I haven't had the pleasure to know you personally, but I think I know enough about you to be able to say that I would likely take your word over most people's on this planet with no questions asked. And if you say that Bob is a good guy, then that gives me good reason to pause and not be too hasty in my judgement.
But, in all fairness, I think you need to understand something as well. When upstanding folks like Senator and Bo show good evidence that one of our own is apparently trying to play sea lawyer and intimidate fellow forumites, the reaction is going to be fairly predictable. I only say this to add the perspective of a disinterested third party who's watched the public portion of this tale unfold from the beginning. Please take it for what it's worth.
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Semper Fi
-Bill
I haven't had the pleasure to know you personally, but I think I know enough about you to be able to say that I would likely take your word over most people's on this planet with no questions asked. And if you say that Bob is a good guy, then that gives me good reason to pause and not be too hasty in my judgement.
But, in all fairness, I think you need to understand something as well. When upstanding folks like Senator and Bo show good evidence that one of our own is apparently trying to play sea lawyer and intimidate fellow forumites, the reaction is going to be fairly predictable. I only say this to add the perspective of a disinterested third party who's watched the public portion of this tale unfold from the beginning. Please take it for what it's worth.
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Semper Fi
-Bill
Senator, I will not go round, and round trying to make you, or other people change their minds. I'm stating what I read, and how I preceived it. I have an idea... Why don't you come see me face to face at the Dixie gun, and knife show on November 18th & 19th, at the state fair grounds in Raleigh. I will be glad to explain to you in detail, anything you want to talk about. Charlotte isn't that far! I won't be hard to find, because I'm really the only one selling custom knives there. So look me up!
Sure you will!
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BC... For those who fought for it, Freedom has a flavor the protected will never know... Semper Fi
Sure you will!
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BC... For those who fought for it, Freedom has a flavor the protected will never know... Semper Fi