It's just a coincidence I'm sure.
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The post I'm referring to was in pm and well before this blew up.
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Quite funny actually, being here for a length of time seeing this transpire over and over again, it is amusing.
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I know you're probably on your way out, but wanted to mention this anyways so you can see whilst under your next username.
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Like most flippers, they only care about the community so far as in they need a community to take advantage of. They couldn't careless about the people in community.
What's unbelievable is he thinks he's doing us a service
Well, he sort of did us a service in posting about his shameful ways. Now we know and he might get the boot. The GB&U can be a wonderful place that way: fools pointing themselves out.Like most flippers, they only care about the community so far as in they need a community to take advantage of. They couldn't careless about the people in community.
What's unbelievable is he thinks he's doing us a service
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It's true.
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It really is amazing how some threads can keep on giving like that, isn't it? It seems like there have been SO many this year in particular!
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Well, it's official...
EpicToasty got a name change to "EpicallyToast" as that account has been banned as a duplicate. Hopefully his alter ego will follow.
EpicToasty got a name change to "EpicallyToast" as that account has been banned as a duplicate. Hopefully his alter ego will follow.
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Oh man that is literally the worst.
Wanted to respond, but I was running around NYC. You are right, in many (all) ways the manufacturers/vendors primary purpose is to make money. But, most of them (and their exclusive version selling etailers) know that there is virtually no danger of these short run knives not selling out. As you have said, and I said earlier, limited runs create increased demand - hype. Getting online and carting and checking out fast enough becomes a race/game/anxiety event. When you lose out it usually creates even more desire for the next release. Anyway, I really don't disagree with you, I am just saying that many many many of these limited releases would still sell out quickly even with limits per customer. It's done by a lot of manufacturers and vendors in a lot of industries. It helps keep the fan base happy when 3 minutes into a release it is not sold out. But it's clearly the choice of the manufacturer/vendor. I just don't think it would hurt their bottom line to set limits.
But for years I was into sneakers, and reselling/flipping is/was the name of the game there. So I learned to take the L on release day, try and not be too salty about it, wait for some of the initial frenzy to die down, and pony up for the drop if I really had to have it.
Overall I am not in favor of the name and shame thing.
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hmmm...are you sure about that? Take a quick look at some of the dealer exclusive spydercos of Knifeworks. They sit for several months even after significant price drops.
Point taken. Alright, so in the case of knives that don't sell out, a per customer limit likely would not change anything and if they are not selling out it's likely flippers are not purchasing multiples of these anyway.
The limit only effects the speed at which they sell out, not them selling out. PDW is an example - they limit the number of items an individual can purchase on certain drops. The stuff still sells out, just not as fast and more people get a shot. It hurts no one except people looking to buy a lot to resell.
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While it is frustrating to miss out on knife releases and be stuck dealing with the scalpers/flippers, a knife is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. In the past I tried being the good guy by selling a knife at or near original cost even though they were selling for considerably more on forums and auctions, only to see the guy I sold it to flip it for a profit. Those days are over. Now I sell for its market value.
My frustration is directed more at knife companies who put out limited runs of models that are in big demand. GEC knows that a TC or NF Barlow will sell out in five minutes. How about just making more of those models so collectors and users can have an opportunity to own one? I heard someone say, “well then they become Case”, but GEC can still maintain same quality while cranking out more of their popular models and less of the ones that don’t sell. That way no one is paying $300+ for a $120 knife.
My frustration is directed more at knife companies who put out limited runs of models that are in big demand. GEC knows that a TC or NF Barlow will sell out in five minutes. How about just making more of those models so collectors and users can have an opportunity to own one? I heard someone say, “well then they become Case”, but GEC can still maintain same quality while cranking out more of their popular models and less of the ones that don’t sell. That way no one is paying $300+ for a $120 knife.
All the stuff surrounding the toast guy aside (personally, I'm happy he's no longer here filling the thread full of less than insightful opinions imo), a lot of the opinions and points made in this thread remind me of a concept I was taught in science/chemistry classes in high school - qualitative vs. quantitative data:
It seems that some here feel that flippers aren't doing anything wrong (outside of some participating in selling areas of the forum without the proper membersip level) because they're playing to "the letter of the law" so to speak; they aren't breaking any laws and are participating like most people would in a capitalist society. They may not make too many friends by selling their PM2 sprint back-up, their back-up to their back-up, and their safe queen (they only believe in users now) to whoever wants it for 30%-50%(or more in some cases) over MAP pricing, but they're not forcing anyone to buy anything from them, and (apparently in some cases) they're providing a valuable service to those who weren't able to get one from a dealer for the MAP price. I've also seen some who either support/are indifferent to flippers for a variety of reasons, but chief among those reasons is because if they don't do it here, they're inevitably going to do it elsewhere and that those who oppose the practice as it relates to and impacts (the rest) us here are clearly up to no good because the notion of "for the good of the community" can't be measured (at least in any way that's agreeable to a majority). Not a viewpoint that I personally agree with, but I can understand the argument being made and where it's coming from.
On the other hand, there are some here who feel that flipping is innately wrong, or at least as far as it extends to selling knives here. There is the apparent problem that most of those who seemed to be engaged in the practice are touting the wrong membership level, but the bigger transgession against the community as a whole is that seemingly those with little/no interest in knives are snapping up as many of the highly desirable sprint runs and limited editions as possible in order to turn around and sell them for as much as they can get for them. The reason that this is wrong? It's because it's unethical, immoral or some other related synonym. Definitely the camp I would place myself into; I may not agree with everything being said for this side (the questions of where and how to draw the arbitrary line as well as what action(s) to take come to mind), but I'd like to point this out (finally bringing it back to the first sentence for those still reading): just because someone's opinions may not be guided or rooted in scientific methods or numbers, doesn't mean that the opinion or thought is automatically worth less in my opinion. As well, I think this holds true more for certain subjects and topics than others, with the current discussion being one that benefits from these types of observations and thoughts.
Yes, having some numerical evidence can be nice to make a point, but an observation based on a feeling can also be pretty powerful in its own right. An extreme example to be sure, but I'd rather be in the company of those who wouldn't want to murder someone because of their intangible and abstract moral code, than someone who can claim it can be justified because of "this system" or "these numbers".
Just my $0.02 in what seems to be a pile of change all over a diner table as it were.
It seems that some here feel that flippers aren't doing anything wrong (outside of some participating in selling areas of the forum without the proper membersip level) because they're playing to "the letter of the law" so to speak; they aren't breaking any laws and are participating like most people would in a capitalist society. They may not make too many friends by selling their PM2 sprint back-up, their back-up to their back-up, and their safe queen (they only believe in users now) to whoever wants it for 30%-50%(or more in some cases) over MAP pricing, but they're not forcing anyone to buy anything from them, and (apparently in some cases) they're providing a valuable service to those who weren't able to get one from a dealer for the MAP price. I've also seen some who either support/are indifferent to flippers for a variety of reasons, but chief among those reasons is because if they don't do it here, they're inevitably going to do it elsewhere and that those who oppose the practice as it relates to and impacts (the rest) us here are clearly up to no good because the notion of "for the good of the community" can't be measured (at least in any way that's agreeable to a majority). Not a viewpoint that I personally agree with, but I can understand the argument being made and where it's coming from.
On the other hand, there are some here who feel that flipping is innately wrong, or at least as far as it extends to selling knives here. There is the apparent problem that most of those who seemed to be engaged in the practice are touting the wrong membership level, but the bigger transgession against the community as a whole is that seemingly those with little/no interest in knives are snapping up as many of the highly desirable sprint runs and limited editions as possible in order to turn around and sell them for as much as they can get for them. The reason that this is wrong? It's because it's unethical, immoral or some other related synonym. Definitely the camp I would place myself into; I may not agree with everything being said for this side (the questions of where and how to draw the arbitrary line as well as what action(s) to take come to mind), but I'd like to point this out (finally bringing it back to the first sentence for those still reading): just because someone's opinions may not be guided or rooted in scientific methods or numbers, doesn't mean that the opinion or thought is automatically worth less in my opinion. As well, I think this holds true more for certain subjects and topics than others, with the current discussion being one that benefits from these types of observations and thoughts.
Yes, having some numerical evidence can be nice to make a point, but an observation based on a feeling can also be pretty powerful in its own right. An extreme example to be sure, but I'd rather be in the company of those who wouldn't want to murder someone because of their intangible and abstract moral code, than someone who can claim it can be justified because of "this system" or "these numbers".
Just my $0.02 in what seems to be a pile of change all over a diner table as it were.
I appreciate your thoughts and the effort you took to share them. I would submit that there is nothing inherently immoral or unethical about trying to maximize profits, especially on what for all practical purposes is a luxury item. It is, after all, the basis of the economic society that we have created which gives people the economic wherewithal to afford such luxury items in the first place.
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