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Everything besides the minimum food, water and shelter is a luxury. That argument is ridiculous on it's head. We're past the point of living like bums who wander the earth picking up feces and carrying it.
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Not quite. Just because something is not necessary for life doesn't make it a luxury. That said, getting the latest greatest limited addition knife when you already own more knives than any one man can use in a lifetime truly is a luxury. And your little personal jabs don't bolster your argument one bit.
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Whatever. Enjoy your hobby.
You're one of the few people here whose opinion means squat to me.
I do enjoy the hobby. Very much.
If I don't want to pay a price I find ridiculous, I don't. If I can't get my hands on a particular knife because they are limited and sellers and flippers are selling them for what the market will bear but more than I'm willing to pay, I move on. Why? Precisely because it is a hobby.
Flippers don't do anything with what they buy. They don't collect, which is part of the hobby. They don't use, which is part of the hobby. They add nothing to the hobby. It's easy to not buy from them as an individual but it will not eliminate them from taking advantage of our hobby. Most likely, nothing will. That said, this is a community within the larger hobby, and anything we can do to discourage flippers helps this community.
To me, flippers are a non-issue. I simply don't buy things that are overpriced (in my opinion). If there's some sort of superdedooper special limited edition item that I really want and I'm not willing to pay the price I simply bide my time. Eventually, something else becomes the next hot thing and I purchase the item that I wanted at whatever the new market value has become. An example would be hinderer knives a few years back (not that I was particularly interested in those but if I were now would be a much better time to buy).
It appears to me that the only people that are in a tizzy are people that want the latest and greatest thing, they want it now and they want it at a price that they as the buyer "feels" is reasonable no matter the economic reality of the situation. To me this sounds a lot like some other economic systems in other parts of the world... you know those places where people stand in line for toilet paper these days.
As for the "good of the hobby" or "good of the community" type arguments, that too is in the eye of the beholder. I wonder how good it is for the community to be having witch hu... er I mean flipper hunts for people that the administration of the community has not taken action against. What are the chances of a never ending cycle of drama, all sorts of administrative headaches and a potential to drive all sorts of people elsewhere?
The working person knife hobbyist is absolutely hurt by flippers. A person in this hobby, who knows the benefits of certain steels and types of knives, and can recognize what types of knives will actually improve their given trade, is impeded by the flipping nonsense. To think otherwise makes no sense.
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This post makes no sense.
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In some cases what you say I think is true, but there are also collectors that flip to help support the habit-buy 5 sell 4.
Just pointing it out
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I'm genuinely curious what your point is here? Is it to knit pick posts that are against people taking advantage of other members here? That's what it looks like.
Yes, that's the way the world works. Have you attempted to purchase ammunition over the last several years? There are many different sales strategies. If a manufacturer has unlimited capacity they may adopt a "produce as many as we can" philosophy i.e. case. If their resources are more limited they may create an artificial scarcity scenario with arcane ways of distributing their product i.e. Busse or Great Northern today. Both are perfectly legitimate strategies. Both scenarios lead to "flipping." The latter obviously does and it's what has some people in a snit today. The former strategy does too, it just takes longer. What does a vintage case, queen, imperial etc slipjoint go for? The markup above the original cost is significant. Should we be going after those flippers as well?
I actually agree with that one, but that's the mods problem nor ours. If someone is taking advantage of the site by consistent sales making them something other then an individual seller it's in the administration's best interest to address that with the individual. If they choose not to do so it's not incumbent on me to become sort of vigilante. It's not really anyone's place to be trying to set prices for either individuals or dealers.
That's okay, I don't see how anyone can think that the idea of fixing prices is a good one. We all have opinions.
Our hypothetical "working man" possibly needs a knife to do his job. He doesn't need a superdedooper sprint run or limited edition anything although he may want it. At the point that he goes from needs to wants he is no longer harmed by not getting what he wants at the price he wants.
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Who the hell said fixing prices?!? Quote them please.
To think that a knowledgeable knife hobbiest can't improve their trade with a better knife is ignorant. That is the person hurt most by flippers.
Can one do their job with a regular knife? Sure. Would the job be improved with a better knife? Absolutely.
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My interpretation of his post was that the flippers were all outsiders not interested in the hobby in the least. I believe some fit that description, but others are involved-like knives , collect knives and use knives. They just use the hobby to help support their collecting.
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A reasonable expectation for adults who have walkin-around sense and retain the liberty to use their cash as they see fit.
If it's bad for the community for some members to sell above retail, then is it good for the community when members have to sell for below retail?
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Another thing to consider, and I'm being totally serious...
When you shine a light on BF members who-- Mods, Spark, appointed flipper spotters, whomever-- have determined have "taken advantage" of another member, aren't you at the same time, shining that same light on the "victim" of the flipper?
Some would interpret that as a second victimization.
When you shine a light on BF members who-- Mods, Spark, appointed flipper spotters, whomever-- have determined have "taken advantage" of another member, aren't you at the same time, shining that same light on the "victim" of the flipper?
Some would interpret that as a second victimization.
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Almost 500 transactions since 2014, are you a flipper?
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