Inflated prices

[PeteyTwoPointOne]

@shinyedges sorry I didn't see you actually did address my topics before my last post. I still think you're being a little evasive and thick, but thanks for answering, topically.

If you're defending the people/products in the SFK&oFf$800 thread , you've just jumped the shark...

Nope Chip, I don't even know what you're talking about...honest.

I've gotten my own refund check cut from those folks, thankfully.

 

[shinyedges]

@ShinyEdge sorry I didn't see you actually did address my topics before my last post. I still think you're being evasive and thick, but thanks for answering, topically.


Nope Chip, I don't even know what you're talking about...honest.

I've gotten my own refund check cut from those folks, thankfully.

Ah, so no answer on how your being "forced" by a theoretical thread you don't have to click on or look at?

And I'm being thick? Funny guy... You.

 

[stonesell]

I would love to hear an example of that. Do we really think that carpet installer is going to be worried about using a limited edition slipjoint or a busse for cutting carpet?

As a former tradesman contractor for 15 years, I've never needed more than a Stanley knife, and a cheap 420 steel folding pocket knife.
I've watched poor people in Brazil go in on buying a hog, baton it in half, and butcher the rest, all with a $3 Tramontina kitchen knife, and there was little apparent damage to the knife.
While I like the modern steels, and find them more utilitarian, they really don't improve actual work output by a huge degree.
This is just my opinion.

 

[PeteyTwoPointOne]

Ah, so no answer on how your being "forced" by a theoretical thread you don't have to click on or look at?

And I'm being thick? Funny guy... You.

No, you're correct no one has to click on it. No one has to click on spam either, but that doesn't mean I want it to exist or that I wouldn't flip the killswitch on it given the chance. Just because something can exist doesn't equate to it must exist.

Yeah, funny. Funny just like you, with a straight face saying, there's no thread in W&C a mile long about flippers.

And I won't be baited into linking to it.

Anyone can search for it, or not. What a novel idea.

But I'll play along...so if there's not a flipper thread over there, why haven't you started one up yet?

I thought you were passionate about this crusade?

 

[shinyedges]

You have all the answers, it's true and totally obvious to everyone here.

I type in all caps to help with COMPREHENSION by adding EMPHASIS, not show anger. I see they caught your eye...objective reached.

And again, I understand how the forum runs and who owns it. And it's not you the last time I checked, right?

Your attempts at trying to label my posts as "political" sound desperate.

Quit launching personal insults at me and trying to lay red herrings all over my profile, and address <at least a few of> the issues I raised, like:

#1. What's better than my own personal responsibility and judgment in deciding who I want to do a deal with? How would you be forced by a list of flippers to use anyone else's judgement?

#2. Can you see how the party considered the "victim" in a flipped deal could be at least self-conscious of being noted in a bad deal...or at worst, be humiliated? Who said the buyers have to be named in the theoretical list??

#3. Why do we need ANOTHER flipper thread on BF?

To educate more people about who the members are who are being sly dealers and shafting fellow bladeforums members by buying up limited numbers of knives and adding a hefty tax to it for them.

 

[shinyedges]

No, you're correct no one has to click on it. No one has to click on spam either, but that doesn't mean I want it to exist or that I wouldn't flip the killswitch on it given the chance. Just because something can exist doesn't equate to it must exist.

Yeah, funny. Funny just like you, with a straight face saying, there's no thread in W&C a mile long about flippers.

And I won't be baited into linking to it.

Anyone can search for it, or not. What a novel idea.

But I'll play along...so if there's not a flipper thread over there, why haven't you started one up yet?

I thought you were passionate about this crusade?

Some of us are in that forum quite often and don't have a clue about what you're talking about...

 

[Casinostocks]

I can definitely see a void or two in the membership hierarchy levels in here. For instance, a higher premium membership defined as "private collector" or dare I mention, "private dealer"; although I think that the latter carries a negative connotation which most people may shy away from. I am still not convinced that a sudden jump from say a $60 Platinum membership or $75 Service Provider to a full on $350 Dealer membership is the logical and most acceptable answer because as I had stated quite a few pages back on this thread, a factory authorized dealer certainly benefits from certain advantages and also potentially handles quite a few headaches which a private and none-sanctioned dealer will neither benefit from nor will have to fuss with putting out potential fires.

For the record, I do recognize the practice of buying more than one of the sprint and exclusive runs in order to immediately turn around and flip for a healthy profit on here, is a crass practice and NOT a service to a community oriented site such as this one. I also agree with others that those practices are best suited to other marketplaces such as eBay whereby the risks and the rewards are more evenly related to the sales fees collected over there.

 

[danbot]

No, you're correct no one has to click on it. No one has to click on spam either, but that doesn't mean I want it to exist or that I wouldn't flip the killswitch on it given the chance. Just because something can exist doesn't equate to it must exist.

Yeah, funny. Funny just like you, with a straight face saying, there's no thread in W&C a mile long about flippers.

And I won't be baited into linking to it.

Anyone can search for it, or not. What a novel idea.

But I'll play along...so if there's not a flipper thread over there, why haven't you started one up yet?

I thought you were passionate about this crusade?

 

[PeteyTwoPointOne]

Some of us are in that forum quite often and don't have a clue about what you're talking about...

yah, right...

ok,ok, I see...yeah, you're right again, just searched "flipper" in there and nada... zero hits ...

So go start one up with me as flipper zero, I'd be honored...seriously...especially since I've b/s/traded with a few of the cheeseheads over there.

 

[shinyedges]

yah, right...

ok,ok, I see...yeah, you're right again, just searched "flipper" in there and nada... zero hits ...

So go start one up with me as flipper zero, I'd be honored...seriously.

I addressed your "issues" and you have nothing to say? Why is that?

Why does a list of people who are skirting or borderline skirting the rules here and doing our community a disservice bother you?

Scummy people often like to remain in the shadows where their deeds are better unnoticed... Coincidence?

 

[Casinostocks]

Just to expound, one guy on here, a seller of Shirogorov knives (Vlad_K) who is neither a high volume seller nor a major site contributor other than mostly advertising his ware for sale who does it the right away by having paid the full membership so that the Site does not lose out when someone's bulk of activities are clearly wheeling & dealing. That said though, I think that imposing a $350 membership for everyone who sells quite a few knives or gear on here, may have a negative net revenue gain for the Site. I don't know what numbers are reasonable and none restrictive as far as both activities and sales are concerned, but I do not think that a $100 per annum for a Blade Forums "store" level membership in ADDITION to the membership level of Gold or Platinum would be an unreasonable level of service related membership. Just my 2 cents.

 

[stonesell]

I can definitely see a void or two in the membership hierarchy levels in here. For instance, a higher premium membership defined as "private collector" or dare I mention, "private dealer"; although I think that the latter carries a negative connotation which most people may shy away from. I am still not convinced that a sudden jump from say a $60 Platinum membership or $75 Service Provider to a full on $350 Dealer membership is the logical and most acceptable answer because as I had stated quite a few pages back on this thread, a factory authorized dealer certainly benefits from certain advantages and also potentially handles quite a few headaches which a private and none-sanctioned dealer will neither benefit from nor will have to fuss with putting out potential fires.

For the record, I do recognize the practice of buying more than one of the sprint and exclusive runs in order to immediately turn around and flip for a healthy profit on here, is a crass practice and NOT a service to a community oriented site such as this one. I also agree with others that those practices are best suited to other marketplaces such as eBay whereby the risks and the rewards are more evenly related to the sales fees collected over there.

I agree with you that a "Flipper" with a dealer membership cannot offer a proper nor authorized warranty service. Just buying the membership doesn't make them a certified dealer that is safe to do business with.
eBay is probably the best place for these guys, and there they can certainly attract more buyers, and avoid so much controversy. I know that I certainly would learn about selling on eBay, if forum members were always questioning my ethics.

 

[PeteyTwoPointOne]

I addressed your "issues" and you have nothing to say? Why is that?

Why does a list of people who are skirting or borderline skirting the rules here and doing our community a disservice bother you?

Scummy people often like to remain in the shadows where their deeds are better unnoticed... Coincidence?

post #364...

If I'm trying to remain in the shadows, I'd post exclusively in other areas.

And you're using the loosest possible definition of "addressed" as humanly possible.

 

[Kbrasmodeler]

yah, right...

ok,ok, I see...yeah, you're right again, just searched "flipper" in there and nada... zero hits ...

So go start one up with me as flipper zero, I'd be honored...seriously...especially since I've b/s/traded with a few of the cheeseheads over there.

The more you spout, the more I realize you already have a stickied thread in W&C.

 

[Casinostocks]

I agree with you that a "Flipper" with a dealer membership cannot offer a proper nor authorized warranty service. Just buying the membership doesn't make them a certified dealer that is safe to do business with.
eBay is probably the best place for these guys, and there they can certainly attract more buyers, and avoid so much controversy. I know that I certainly would learn about selling on eBay, if forum members were always questioning my ethics.

Yes and that's the crux of the argument. What do you think about a "store" level membership? I think that may be a reasonable compromise and then buyer can elect to do business or not do business with someone who engages on this site as a side business as well as participating as an everyday member?

 

[shinyedges]

If I'm trying to remain in the shadows, I'd post exclusively in other areas.

And you're using the loosest possible definition of "addressed" as humanly possible.

Poor attempt at an evasive maneuver.

 

[PeteyTwoPointOne]

The more you spout, the more I realize you already have a stickied thread in W&C.

good, now go find the non-existent flipper thread shiny's talking...errr not talking about that doesn't exist and yet we need multiple copies of and stickies of to HELP the sheep here on BF!

shiny's going to work on reforming public education after he's done with his crusade on BF-- because, edgejumakation is good fer us. Tank u shinney...do it 4 tha kidz!

 

[Casinostocks]

P.S. you will more likely see more of these side dealings on here once the Internet Sales Tax laws for all States, irrespective of the origins of sales, are passed. Something else for the Site's Brass to ponder about to avoid being taken advantage of which may inevitably lead to the dilution of private transactions.

 

[Quiet]

I agree with you that a "Flipper" with a dealer membership cannot offer a proper nor authorized warranty service. Just buying the membership doesn't make them a certified dealer that is safe to do business with.
eBay is probably the best place for these guys, and there they can certainly attract more buyers, and avoid so much controversy. I know that I certainly would learn about selling on eBay, if forum members were always questioning my ethics.

You'd see a bunch of them taking issue with that "Take it to Ebay" edict, because the entire reason they are here on Bladeforums is that they get to be dbags that skirt Paypal rules (not really possible with Ebay transactions) and they would get additional dings from the Ebay fees. That's the entire issue here is that they are taking advantage of a ripe platform. Captive customer base, Exchange rules that are really very lax, and a moderation staff that doesn't have the time to police everything 100% so plenty of these guys skate under the radar for years, getting away with paying the $30 Gold Membership fee and not having to worry about fees or charges all while doing "seller/retailer" level business.

As an example, I'll say it. If you're selling a hundred friggin' knives a year, that should be an automatic "This guy's a retailer" tag and a requirement to pay for a dealer's membership.

 

[shinyedges]

good, now go find the non-existent flipper thread shiny's talking...errr not talking about that doesn't exist and yet we need multiple copies of and stickies of to HELP the sheep here on BF!

shiny's going to work on reforming public education after he's done with his crusade on BF-- because, edgejumakation is good fer us.

You've educated more people about YOU then I could have with any list. For that, I sincerely thank you.